Bloomberg is going to take Sanders apart with a negative ad campaign.

[denem]

He has been calling for a two man race. How is he proposing to win it? By big rallies? By big wins on the debate stage?

No, his campaign is all about ads. He is looking to win with ads. We have seen one attack ad already. Seen him talk about communism already. His path to victory is negative ads.

IMO Bloomberg v Sanders would be an ultra bitter contest that would tear the party apart.

Am I missing something? How am I wrong?

[TCJ70]

1. I'm not sure what path Bloomberg has to take away from Sanders support...

...as they're polar opposites in terms of background, experience, policy, etc. Bernie has a fairly solid base who don't seem concerned with labels and other peoples attempts to use them negatively.

[denem]

4. The path is saying Bloomberg can't beat trump.

[Amishman]

40. Which is an increasingly strong argument

The latest YouGov poll has Bloomberg vs Trump at a +3 for Trump. All other candidates were even or winning. Biden was +2, Sanders +3.

This is one of the first post debate polls. People are starting to have information about Bloomberg that doesn't come from his media blitz, and they don't appear to like what they are hearing.

[HarlanPepper]

37. It won't be those people

It’ll be people on the edges. Interested in Bernie but skeptical. Those would be the targets, not the true believers.

[still_one]

2. Here in California I haven't seen Sanders or any of the other Democratic candidates mentioned in

any of his ads, which have been mostly positive

[NurseJackie]

3. Good!

IMO Bloomberg v Sanders would be an ultra bitter contest that would tear the party apart.

No... Sanders running against Trump AND running against the Democratic party is what will tear the party apart.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287570879

Even when Bernie runs on the Democratic ticket, he attacks the party. That doesn’t exactly endear him to committed party members – especially in today’s political environment, when being a united party is key. By stating that “the Democratic establishment AND the Republican establishment can’t stop him”, he is being extremely divisive by putting himself out as someone who is actually running against BOTH parties, and not as someone who is running FOR the party that he is supposedly running on behalf of.

[denem]

7. We are on the same page.

What I am suggesting (reading between the lines) is that Biden, Buttigieg and Warren have a decent chance of bringing the party together.

[NurseJackie]

9. Indeed. I keep hoping.

[brer cat]

20. They would unify rather than divide.

I would be very happy with any of those candidates representing my party!

[denem]

21. What do Bloomberg and Sanders have in common?

In 2018 they were both independents. It takes a Democrat to unite Democrats.

[onetexan]

31. The difference is now Bloomberg is a Democrat. Bernie has said he is NOT.

[Amishman]

43. Yet I would say Bernie is much closer to our values than Bloomberg

I mean even someone like Roy Moore could theoretically change his voter registration - but that doesn't mean I'd call him a Democrat afterwards.

[Corgigal]

35. I was just saying that to my son,

that I wish I could vote for any of those other candidates. Base, plus..we need women in Ohio, Florida, Michigan and Wisconsin.

[brutus smith]

5. Let's see, Bloomberg is a repub who goes against Dem Platform. Bernie"s an Independent who votes for

Democratic values. Hmmmmm, hard choice huh?

[denem]

22. I'm going to need a Rubik's cube and super-computer to figure that one out.

You don't think it might take a Democrat to unite Democrats do you? A fringe idea, I know

[TheCowsCameHome]

6. Maybe he'll target the "Free Stuff" costs.

Anything free comes at a price.

It should be interesting.

[onetexan]

32. i hope Bloomberg hits Sanders hard on his pie-in-the-sky promises

and i hope it pulls the blinders off at least some of BS' rabidly naive followers.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

39. When Joe voted for the Iraq war in 2020, did he ask how we were going to pay for it?

Funny how we don't seem to have a problem when the money is to prop up the military complex, but god forbid we try to give people healthcare. Then we need to see where the money is going to come from.

[onetexan]

49. Apples & oranges. Stop trying to digress.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

42. Maybe if Sanders said we had to stop people of color at the door of healthcare

for a quick stop and frisk, it would be a plan Bloomberg could get behind.

[4139]

8. Mike has to knock out Joe, Liz and Pete if he wants to go one-on-one with Bernie.

He may go whole hog on Bernie but that won’t help him win as the vote is too split.

No amount of negative Bernie ads will dissuade Bernie’s base

[denem]

12. That is the same false reasoning as saying Warren has to take on Sanders.

The way to demonstrate you are the best candidate is take out the front runner.

[4139]

17. Liz need to bump off Amy, Pete and Joe if she want to make it to Super Tuesday...

She need to be the Best alternative to Bernie

[still_one]

18. That is actually right

[denem]

19. Making a start by knocking out Bloomberg.

ain't half bad. I think she has too much respect for Biden to go hard against him. Buttigieg? Not so much.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

44. The way to demonstrate you are the best candidate is to take out Trump.

[brewens]

10. If he does that, I'll go into full on "Bern or let it burn" mode. I'm already getting

pissed about those on our side harping about the socialist thing. They know democratic socialist is not the same thing at all.

Socialists helped us get some great things in this country. We got a middle class. Farmers could actually make money at it. Factory and mill workers were no longer slave labor, and we stopped killing off miners and railroad workers at the rate of a few thousand every year. All that without actually becoming a socialist country.

[MontanaFarmer]

15. IMO Bloomberg can't take down Sanders and

become the nominee. If you're anti- Bernie, what you hope happens is Biden or Warren can come in above the fracas and unite the party. If you're a Bernie voter you aren't swayed by Bloomberg anyway. I'm opposed to Bernie over free college for everyone and the fact that i think he's a nuclear meltdown in a general election.

[Celerity]

16. You are describing social democrats, which is what Bernie actually is.

Why he mislabels as a demicratic socialist is beyond me. FDR and most New Dealers went out of their way to condemn the socialist label. The actual socialists like Norman Thomas did not consider the New Deal socialist.

Actual democratic socialists want to have the state control the means of production and eventual abolish mist form of capitalism. The just want to do it via the democratic process as opposed to violent revolution.

[boston bean]

23. Love these threats of letting it Bern. Brings back fond memories that brought us

The Trumpass.



These type of threats make me want to puke. Want 4 more of Trumpass keep it up.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

11. You're wrong cuz Bernie has what money CAN'T buy, the love of We The People!! Cue the music...

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

[WhereAmerica]

14. That's good news for Biden

Bloomberg attacking Sanders, who is the weakest candidate we have and will be a disaster up and down the Dem ticket once the Republican "socialist/communist" barrage starts," is good news for best anti-Sanders candidate, Biden.

Attack ads can rebound against the attacker. Bloomberg down will release voters, and, if Biden wins S. Carolina, the anti-Sanders momentum is his.

[Sherman A1]

24. Bloomberg should perhaps be careful what he wishes for

That knife can cut both ways.

[denem]

27. Ads or no ads,

as long as Elizabeth Warren is in the race, it is not going to be an easy ride for Bloomberg - nor should it be.

[Renew Deal]

33. He doesn't have to win

Bernie does.

[Sherman A1]

34. Nobody has to win

[democrattotheend]

25. Good. I've been saying he should

Mainly because I am tired of people alluding to there being all this dirt out there on Bernie but not actually doing anything with it. Run the ads now with all the things he said 20 and 30 years ago that might scare people off. Either it scares people off and he doesn't get the nomination, or it doesn't and it's old news by November. Win-win, IMO.

[JustAnotherGen]

26. Each candidate

Gets to run their campaign however they want.

I'm undecided - so I really don't care.

It's called winning. They each want to win - I'll give them the space to run their campaigns however they want.

Rallies don't impress me - souls to the polls do.

[mdelaguna]

28. No evidence to this effect?

Or did you see something on the news?

[denem]

30. Logic.

As stated in OP.

[Loki Liesmith]

29. He shoulda startled weeks ago

[Baclava]

36. yep, this all could be over in a week if Bernie gets a virtual winner take all score on Super Tues

[Cuthbert Allgood]

41. He should have prepped for the debate

if we're playing coulda/shoulda/woulda.

[Loki Liesmith]

48. That would have helped

[melman]

38. And from what we've seen so far he's pretty bad at it

Ads that is.

[jmg257]

45. You are right. Add attacks over PLCAA & the NRA to the attack ads list.

[totodeinhere]

46. I hope that the voters are savvy enough to see it for what it is, an attempt to use his billions

to buy the nomination.

[flamingdem]

47. Bloomberg is turning into a disgusting pig. Thank you Elizabeth Warren for taking him down

From here on in he's only there as a spoiler.

[kentuck]

50. Yep, he will have to do it with ads because...

...he sucks on the debate stage.

But he is very good at TV ads.

[nycbos]

51. Good.

If he is going to be praising Castro we are going to lose. He is always trashing the party I have devoted my life to.


I might not like the messenger but a broken clock is right twice a day.