So Progressive Votes Beat Out Establishment/Moderates in NV...

[berni_mccoy]

Even if you add up the votes for Biden, Buttigieg, Steyer and Klobuchar, they don't beat Bernie.

Maybe The Democratic Party is ready for the Revolution?

[uponit7771]

1. In 2018 2/3rds of Sanders endorsed candidates got mud stomped in primary & their general elections

[berni_mccoy]

2. 2 Years is an Eternity in Politics

We also lost control of Congress due to the ACA but even a couple of years later, Republicans couldn't figure out how to repeal it.

[uponit7771]

3. No, stop ... you understand the point that Sanders doesn't have any coattails even in the

... democratic party or the general electorate.

He's polarizing and his voting based, the young, doesn't have a stable voting record

[berni_mccoy]

6. The Times They are a Changin

[uponit7771]

7. A song is not a good factual argument for supporting Sanders

[berni_mccoy]

12. Neither is your mud stomping argument. Biden is running a horrible campaign

It's built in "I've been there done that so you should vote for me."

[uponit7771]

15. FACT, only 1/3rd of Sanders endorsements won anything in 18. How is that factual statement a bad

... argument for supporting another candidate with more appeal to democrats and general electorate?

thx in advance

[berni_mccoy]

18. Fact: Only 56% of Dems are comfortable with Biden as the Nominee

Compared to 65% for Bernie and 60 for Warren who are both Progressive Candidates.

Bernie is so far the most likely candidate to be the nominee. People here better get used to it.

[uponit7771]

19. Red Herring, that's not a GE / Swing state / district level poll that's a poll among democrats

... that doesn't matter Nov 4th or even before when it comes to getting Sanders above swing state MOE

[berni_mccoy]

20. LOL

[uponit7771]

21. That's not a cogent argument for Sanders winning swing states either

[berni_mccoy]

22. Time will tell friend. Time will tell. Meanwhile, Biden has no strategy.

[thesquanderer]

30. Some of those candidates might have won if it were 2020...

...not so much because things can change a lot in two years, but because turnout is much bigger on a presidential election year, and *IF* our Dem nominee does well somewhere, that's likely to have a positive impact down ticket no matter what... and in this case, even more if our nominee was a similar leftward Sanders or Warren, who was bring a disproportionately greater number of left-leaning voters into the poll booths.

[uponit7771]

32. Nah, better chance in 2018 than now

[Blue_Tires]

4. You have a Warren avatar yet you seem happy she lost??

And people should recognize fool's gold when they see it:

Link to tweet

[berni_mccoy]

8. Of course not silly. I love her, as she is my Senator.

And I will vote for her in the MA Primary.

Her policies are very similar to Bernie's.

But here's a truth:

Vote Blue,
No Matter Who,
And that means Bernie TOO!

[PunkinPi]

9. +1 nt

[Democrats Ascendant]

5. Hunh??

"Maybe The Democratic Party is ready for the Revolution?"

2872 Biden
1960 Buttigieg
1381 Warren*
0652 Steyer
0595 Klobuchar
____
7460 vs 6589 (till now) who did not vote for Sanders

*Didn't realize that Warren was calling for "The Revolution"

[berni_mccoy]

10. Warren is much more aligned with Bernie than the other candidates.

[Democrats Ascendant]

17. Generally, yes

But she hasn't voted for Sanders yet, nor has she joined the Revolution, plus she did switch it up regarding M4A.

My point: it's disingenuous (to say the least) to consider Warren's votes as all going for Sanders, when we know that the electorate is NOT behaving that way this go around....

[floppyboo]

26. I think, in all the ways that are important, her alignment with Sanders outweighs the differences.

Also, it is not at all coincidental that her public position change on MFA was the beginning of the end of her honeymoon at the top of the polls.

[Tom Rinaldo]

11. FWIW I don't consier Steyer to be "moderate". n/t

[berni_mccoy]

13. Agreed, but the Biden supporters seem to...

They love to lump in Steyer's support whenever they can, so I figured I'd give it to them.

[Democrats Ascendant]

14. Me either!

nt

[Sloumeau]

16. The final percentage is after realignment.

Realignments tend to enhance the totals of the top candidates and lower the totals of everyone else. Also, we are speaking about one state, and we are talking about a caucus that has a small percentage of the total amount of registered voters and also tends to have a lower percentage of people who are not able to stand around for hours, like the disabled and older Americans.

There is also what is known as the "bandwagon effect". People like to choose winners, so once people hear that a certain person is going to win, undecideds tend to go with whoever is most likely to win. Also, when someone finds their candidate inviable, he or she is more likey to switch to the person more likely to win overall--which is also part of the bandwagon effect.

[thesquanderer]

31. Realignments can also indicate who may have more strength as the process moves on.

The fact that Sanders picked up so much from supporters of candidates who were not viable the first time--including MODERATE candidates--bodes well for how he may be able to win in future contests when, similarly, there will be fewer competitors, because some candidates are likely to have dropped out. Realignments kind of foreshadow that circumstance, what happens when the weaker ones fall by the wayside.

[squirecam]

23. These are not votes

These are delegates.

Sanders got 35% of the vote. Do you really think he only got 6000 votes in Nevada?

[thesquanderer]

28. Sanders got over 40% on realignment, i.e. once there were fewer alternatives

which was more than double those who chose anyone else.

[SidDithers]

24. In an inherently undemocratic caucus...nt

Sid

[berni_mccoy]

25. Is that undemocratic caucus as democratic as the convention rues or more democratic?

Because I'm confused by all the people who say the rules of the caucuses that everyone agrees to are inherently unfair when their candidate loses but the rules of the convention, WHICH ARE SIMILAR TO A CAUCUS are just fine?

Which is it?

[JudyM]

29. !

Point made.

[floppyboo]

27. I've been checking in on the CNN live poll - link below

https://www.cnn.com/election/2020/state/nevada?xid=ec_crm_nv_d

If you hover over the different counties, they give you the popular vote and % of precincts reported. Still some 15 - 20% to come in in strong Bernie counties. And Pete (in military base strong Nye)