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USALiberal

(10,877 posts)
Mon Feb 24, 2020, 10:54 AM Feb 2020

Simple poll, can Bernie beat Trump?


29 votes, 1 pass | Time left: Time expired
Yes, Bernie can beat Trump
15 (52%)
No, Bernie cannot beat Trump
14 (48%)
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Disclaimer: This is an Internet poll
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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uponit7771

(90,392 posts)
1. Sanders has no historical swing state appeal outside of MOE, Biden has the most and those
Mon Feb 24, 2020, 11:00 AM
Feb 2020

... are facts without dispute.

Search for Trump / Sanders [swing state] to see the swing state polling then compare that to other candidates.

Sanders isn't doing worse than Obama but Sanders has no widespread aspiration appeal nor an upcoming shock event

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

mdelaguna

(471 posts)
3. True, but I am hoping this year defies "historical" patterns
Mon Feb 24, 2020, 11:20 AM
Feb 2020

Though Bernie hasn't been my first choice, part of me wants to hope that a large enough majority will be willing to back him as a winner, if he wins the nomination. Winning begets winning? Worst case scenario, some of his policies don't pass through Congress, other than that, he'd be so much better than DT (as would any candidate of ours).

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

uponit7771

(90,392 posts)
8. Winning begets winning? No, that's not human behavior with something a person disagree's with
Mon Feb 24, 2020, 11:50 AM
Feb 2020

... and with Sanders its not his policy its the person

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
2. Even if he can, it's not my main concern
Mon Feb 24, 2020, 11:19 AM
Feb 2020

I'm more concerned that he will not be a good president. When I look at his record of ideological inflexibility, my-way-or-the-highway (all or nothing) attitudes, isolationist tendencies, disregard for social issues in favor of economics-will-fix-all thinking, and choice of people who surround him .... well, let's say I don't look forward to it.

Will Democrats line up behind him like the Republicans have for Trump, despite disagreement? Will there be stasis or more temporary rule by executive order? Will he be able to repair relations with our allies?

Winning the election is one thing (one would think a ham sandwich could win against Trump, but we live in strange times).The real goal is governing. And Sanders' lack of any achievements over a long, long career, his autocratic tendencies and lack of alliances among his peers ... all of these things concern me.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

mdelaguna

(471 posts)
5. Could he not undo a fair amount human rights violations policies in the executive branch?
Mon Feb 24, 2020, 11:22 AM
Feb 2020

Even if the House refuses to pass policies? And not embarrass (nay, shame) us in foreign affairs? He wasn't my first choice, but if he wins we will still have a democracy.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
6. The next president could undo them just as easily
Mon Feb 24, 2020, 11:34 AM
Feb 2020

He has not shown good judgment in foreign policy. He's just as prone to supporting autocratic human-rights abusers who happen to be on the left rather than the right, such as Ortega in Nicaragua, dismissing human-rights violations in Soviet-backed repressive governments everywhere, because he thinks the economic ideology just has to be right.

It's the same when he clung so tightly to the idea that the VA is the perfect form of health-care delivery that he failed to act on serious problems in the system until it became a national outcry.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
4. After 2016 I'm out of the predictions game...n/t
Mon Feb 24, 2020, 11:22 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
7. Yep, same here! K&R!!! n/t
Mon Feb 24, 2020, 11:48 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

andym

(5,451 posts)
9. The polling so far suggests he can
Mon Feb 24, 2020, 11:54 AM
Feb 2020

and would have in 2016. But, there is a question of the House and Senate that is much more unclear to me.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

sarisataka

(19,113 posts)
10. Clarification is needed
Mon Feb 24, 2020, 12:00 PM
Feb 2020

Are you referring to popular vote or Electoral?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
11. Yes, Bernie can carry Hillary's states + 3 of OH, PA, WI, and MI
Mon Feb 24, 2020, 12:02 PM
Feb 2020

Turnout will be the lowest in the history of Presidential elections, but this can be done.

The worry is what running this campaign does downballot in the House, particularly in the South.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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