Mon Feb 24, 2020, 02:49 PM

Are we really just going to ignore data on the voters we need and just "go with our hearts"

So selfish, childish, self-indulgent, immature, naive, and dumb.

If you're not running to WIN, then why bother.

This is a base PLUS election. Whoever gets those PLUS voters, wins. You better believe trump is targeting EACH of those PLUS voters with 1000 targeted --- tailored ---- FB ads each. And he started 2 years ago. 2 years ago.

If we're not going after those PLUS voters, just to the right of the center, who voted for Obama then trump, then WE WILL LOSE. And they DON'T want Medicare for ALL. And they DON'T praise Fidel Castro.

The election is already OVER in 35 states. Don't pander to CA. It's over there. Don't pander to NY or OR. Election is over there. Over!

This election is in the swing counties of WI, MI, PA, AZ.

You don't go after the PLUS voters by telling them your pie in the sky dreams of a progressive utopia. You make it about THEIR dreams. This is the basics of sales 101.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Are we really just going to ignore data on the voters we need and just "go with our hearts" (Original post)	EveHammond13	Feb 2020	OP
Post removed	Post removed	Feb 2020	#1
Back again? Mahalo and Aloha.	George II	Feb 2020	#4
IBTL	jberryhill	Feb 2020	#5
bwahahahahaha!!!!	George II	Feb 2020	#6
who loves "let's be the next cuba" as a campaign mantra lol nt	msongs	Feb 2020	#2
So their dreams do not include good wages, affordable health care, child care & education?	LonePirate	Feb 2020	#3
Bernie is letting trump define him to voters because he refuses to be strategic	EveHammond13	Feb 2020	#7
There is no evidence whatsoever to prove that is happening.	LonePirate	Feb 2020	#8
Most Americans see Trump as a loser whose never made either strategy or policy.	ancianita	Feb 2020	#9
too many Americans see trump as a successful businessman	EveHammond13	Feb 2020	#11
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Feb 2020	#16
Latest polling has Sanders beating Trump in WI, MI and PA	Spider Jerusalem	Feb 2020	#10
Data?	Fontaines D.C.	Feb 2020	#12
Picketty?	TexasTowelie	Feb 2020	#15
I am! Well, heart AND head! Figure it's a win-win.	jmg257	Feb 2020	#13
That's what I'm going to do. I'm choosing who I want to lead the country...	TCJ70	Feb 2020	#14

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Mon Feb 24, 2020, 02:56 PM

George II (67,782 posts)

4. Back again? Mahalo and Aloha.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Mon Feb 24, 2020, 02:57 PM

jberryhill (62,444 posts)

5. IBTL

I'm so happy. I always miss these things.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Mon Feb 24, 2020, 02:58 PM

George II (67,782 posts)

6. bwahahahahaha!!!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Mon Feb 24, 2020, 02:54 PM

msongs (66,226 posts)

2. who loves "let's be the next cuba" as a campaign mantra lol nt

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Mon Feb 24, 2020, 02:55 PM

LonePirate (13,203 posts)

3. So their dreams do not include good wages, affordable health care, child care & education?

I don't think you understand Bernie's agenda at all.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Mon Feb 24, 2020, 03:00 PM

EveHammond13 (2,855 posts)

7. Bernie is letting trump define him to voters because he refuses to be strategic

Losers don't make policy.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Mon Feb 24, 2020, 03:07 PM

LonePirate (13,203 posts)

8. There is no evidence whatsoever to prove that is happening.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Mon Feb 24, 2020, 03:11 PM

ancianita (33,737 posts)

9. Most Americans see Trump as a loser whose never made either strategy or policy.

So let's not give the guy credit for fakery. And Americans see through all that. They also see more awful things have happened on his watch than any good thing (singular) that's happened on his watch.

Maybe votes come out of that awareness more than anything Bernie does. Maybe he's just tapping into that awareness. With 48+ primaries to go, we'll see more the way voters do by summer.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Mon Feb 24, 2020, 03:12 PM

EveHammond13 (2,855 posts)

11. too many Americans see trump as a successful businessman

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Mon Feb 24, 2020, 03:12 PM

Spider Jerusalem (21,786 posts)

10. Latest polling has Sanders beating Trump in WI, MI and PA

and doing it by more than any other candidate for the Democratic nomination (there are no recent polls for Arizona).

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Mon Feb 24, 2020, 03:13 PM

Fontaines D.C. (16 posts)

12. Data?

Where's the data? The only hard data I've seen has come from Picketty, and that proves that Bernie is the strongest candidate. Sorry if the electorate has change, but you haven't.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Mon Feb 24, 2020, 04:44 PM

TexasTowelie (105,923 posts)