Biden ad on Sanders' Attempt to Undermine President Obama

[wyldwolf]

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[I-M-Blue]

1. We all know Biden is a good man, but

we are not voting for Obama, we are voting for Biden.

[wyldwolf]

3. Are you voting for the man who wanted to primary Obama?

[ChubbyStar]

6. I don't know who I am voting for but it will not be Biden

That ad just sealed the deal for me against Joe. Sorry

[wyldwolf]

7. did I ask you who you were voting for?

[ChubbyStar]

8. You asked the poster above me if he was voting etc and I chimed in with my voice

Discussion boards work that way.

[wyldwolf]

10. that's right, I asked the poster above you. See how that works?

[ChubbyStar]

12. Take it up with Admin

I think they like engaging and lively discussions. Let me know what they say. Thanks.

[wyldwolf]

13. I have nothing to take up with the admin. Perhaps you should sit down and take a rest

When someone wants your opinion, I'm sure you'll be asked.

[ChubbyStar]

14. How very dismissive

The board is set up so that people have a chance to respond to any post at all. There is no warning button that says YOU CAN REPLY ONLY IF YOU WERE ADDRESSED. That is an Admin issue, if you don't want to be replied to by me put me on ignore. I don't need a rest. Thanks for this delightful exchange, you are a gem.

[wyldwolf]

16. How very interesting...

I-M-Blue decided to reply to my post as his very first post. Replied one more time. Hasn't replied to any other posts. Currently sits at 2 posts. But you decided to answer for him.

I'm sure his post count will increase a little now that I've mentioned it.

[ChubbyStar]

17. How very odd

I answered for myself, to a post on a public message board. You might want to get a night light, I hear they are very helpful with bad dreams!

[Peacetrain]

19. Got caught there did ya??

[LakeArenal]

22. Oooo the Admin Card.

Because someone knows exactly how far they can push someone’s buttons.

[Peacetrain]

24. :)

[wyldwolf]

25. close to an hour later, I-M-Blue still has exactly 2 posts. Both replies to me. Fascinating.

[ChubbyStar]

28. Well you better go babysit then

Who the fuck knows what an unknown poster to me is doing. You are hilarious!

[wyldwolf]

30. that's what I'm doing. They key is to get the kid preoccupied.

[I-M-Blue]

50. Yes, I am building a website

which is anti-trump. Like Warren and Bloomberg I am a former Republican. Some here will not like everything I say, but it is aimed at the swing voter who voted for Trump last election and realize they made a mistake. These are the voters Biden and the "Moderate" candidates say we have to get. I think as one of them (voted Twice for Obama and then Trump) I may be able to communicate with them in a way that is effective. Since I do not want to break the TOS, I will post none of it here. However, this is the link [link:http://onlysolutionsmatter.com/]

I welcome comments since it still is under construction.

[Kurt V.]

27. welp that's not how this works. good grief

[ChubbyStar]

37. I have been cracking up all afternoon about this exchange

Like WTF?

[Kurt V.]

42. you were more constrained than i could be.

[ChubbyStar]

44. This response was quite telling

"When someone wants your opinion, I'm sure you'll be asked."

[caraher]

62. Nevertheless, you persisted ;)

[LakeArenal]

78. Thanks for everything here.

[I-M-Blue]

9. Bloomberg, no one can say he is a socialist

Deadlocked convention, then Liz Warren. She is the only one both sides will accept
I really have no idea why she never caught fire.

[JamesC]

58. Yes. Why not?

[JamesC]

67. 'You Don't Have to Do This, Joe'

Obama met with top Biden advisers in March, 2019 and, according to the sources, requested that the ex-veep’s team do what they can so that Biden does not “embarrass himself” or “damage his legacy.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/16/us/politics/biden-obama-history.html

[Renew Deal]

2. The last part about "building on Obama's legacy" is true

Considering Sanders supported a form of repeal and replace

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

43. Bingo

[Sloumeau]

4. K&R

[NurseJackie]

5. I'll never forgive Sanders for his treachery toward Obama. That is the moment I knew...

I'll never forgive Sanders for his treachery toward Obama. That is the moment I knew that I'd never support him. He should be ashamed.

[Skidmore]

11. +1 nt

[Alliepoo]

15. Yep

[NurseJackie]

41. That was right at the time when the RACIST ATTACKS on Obama were at their peak...

That was right at the time when the RACIST ATTACKS on Obama were at their peak... and it really showed me what kind of POOR JUDGEMENT Bernie Sanders had when he thought it was a good idea to PILE ON and suggest that Obama should be primaried.

It was right then and there that I knew in my heart that Bernie Sanders was NOT a man that I could trust.

[joethedrummer]

48. Poor judgment? Remember the Iraq War that Biden voted for...

Sanders showed great judgement in that regard, alongside Obama.

[Peacetrain]

21. Have you caught the latest.. Sanders screwed up over an answer on 60 minutes..about Cuba

Just listened to one of his lieutenants on TV try to pass if off as something Obama did also..

[NoDakLinda]

73. Re:" Have you caught the latest.. Sanders screwed up over an answer on 60 minutes..about Cuba

Just listened to one of his lieutenants on TV try to pass if off as something Obama did also.."

You'll be sorry when nobody like Bernie is out there anymore.

A little history lesson:

Havana Nocturne: How the Mob Owned Cuba and Then Lost It to the Revolution -by T.J. English

“In the 1950s, the Mob; with the corrupt, repressive government of brutal Cuban dictator Fulgencio Batista in its pocket; owned Havana's biggest luxury hotels and casinos, launching an unprecedented tourism boom.”

When Castro and Che Guevara overthrew the brutal Cuban dictator Fulgencio Batista all the American organized crime syndicate was finished in Cuba. That’s not bad either.

There were Cuban’s who fled to America that were afraid of going to prison after organized crime and the corrupt government was ousted. and there were people who just wanted to leave. But those people who wanted to go back and people in organized crime were still working to overthrow Castro.

In 1959, Fidel Castro came to power when the revolution overthrew Cuban dictator Fulgencio Batista. The US government distrusted Castro because of his relationship with Nikita Khrushchev. Before his inauguration, John F. Kennedy was briefed on a plan by the CIA developed during the Eisenhower administration to train Cuban exiles for an invasion of their homeland. The plan anticipated that the Cuban people and elements of the Cuban military would support the invasion to overthrow Castro, and the establishment of a government friendly to the United States. It has been suggested that all of this could have played a role in the JFK assassination. Kennedy was furious at the CIA because he was lied to about the Cuban people raising up. He said he would smash the CIA into a thousand pieces.

One reason a dictator like Batista and others got control over the country and its people was their poor education and illiteracy. That’s what really does happen when you have an uneducated public.

Thomas Jefferson: “An educated citizenry is a vital requisite for our survival as a free people.”

Bernie Sanders, "Immediate initiation of an intensive campaign against illiteracy was a good thing,” he said about Castro.

By the way I saw a video of Obama saying the same things about Castro and literacy.

[Kurt V.]

29. if sanders is the nominee, big if still, obama will endorse him. he said so. lol

[warmfeet]

33. Yep.

[NurseJackie]

39. At least Obama has integrity and honor and loyalty to the party.

That's why I will respect HIM (Obama). He (Obama) has integrity.

[IluvPitties]

18. President Obama represents the best our party has to offer.

To see that Bernie wanted to undermine him infuriates me.

[NurseJackie]

35. So many racist attacks on Obama during that time...

... why would anyone think it was a good idea to suggest that Obama should be PRIMARIED! That's just throwing gasoline on the fire!

Honestly, I completely lost any respect for Bernie Sanders when that happened. I knew EXACTLY what he was about.

[HarlanPepper]

52. Yes

And unbelievably those attacks weren’t only coming from the right. Will leave it at that.

[scipan]

80. Some people were disappointed

He ran as a liberal and governed as a centrist.

[HarlanPepper]

81. Yeah.

[Gothmog]

20. That is a powerful and effective ad

Link to tweet

[NurseJackie]

36. Disgusting.

And keep in mind that this was coming at a time when so many non-stop racist attacks (ie: Kenya, Birth Certificate, etc) were being hurled at our party's leader.

What the ever loving FUCK was he thinking?? WHY??

I lost ALL RESPECT for him when that happened. I knew then that I could never trust him.

[Rebl2]

49. Bernie isn't

a Democrat. Absolutely cannot stand him and after seeing this, I have 0 respect for him. I didn’t know this happened until recently.

[thesquanderer]

54. If you really want to know why...

...basically it was because Sanders thought Obama was capitulating too much to the right (things like support for the "grand bargain" that would cut social security with chained cpi), and felt maybe there should be some pressure from the left, instead of the left being looked at as a force that could be ignored because they had nowhere else to go.

Funny how some people can't get past this even though he ultimately decided not to support any challenge, while Ted Kennedy is still lionized despite ACTUALLY primarying a Democratic incumbent.

I think maybe we need a new acronym, IOKIYNS, It's OK If You're Not Sanders.

(p.s. a time of racist attacks on Obama? When were there NOT? Anyway, the timing would have been based on when the election was, that's all.)

[NurseJackie]

56. Oh boo hoo

Cry me a river.

[thesquanderer]

59. Don't shoot the messenger. You asked why...

...so I filled you in from what I know.

[thesquanderer]

65. Better yet, explanation from the horse's mouth...

right here in the video at Post #20.

[NurseJackie]

66. That doesn't help.

[thesquanderer]

68. Doesn't help what?

Help explain? Yes, I thought it would help explain what his reason was (answering your question of why),

Help convince? No, I did not think it would help convince you of anything, but that wasn't the goal. I just was providing the info to answer your question, I thought it could help with that. I certainly didn't expect you to change your mind and think it was a good idea! Heck, ultimately, even HE didn't think it was a good idea, and didn't pursue it!

[NurseJackie]

69. He tried to mortally harm Obama's reelection.

No excuse for that. It doesn't help your arguments, his excuses, my opinion of him. The damage was done.

[thesquanderer]

70. I was not looking to defend him or argue on his behalf.

I just wanted to give you the explanation you asked for.

Though I would say that it is not correct to say "He tried to mortally harm Obama's reelection" because, after all, he decided not to pursue the idea. Unless you think that merely the conversation about it was enough to create actual damage. But I kinda think it is unlikely that that interview cost Obama any votes.

[NurseJackie]

74. I know exactly what his motivation was. He was simply PILING ON at a time when...

I know exactly what his motivation was. He was simply PILING ON at a time when the RACIST ATTACKS on Obama were coming in hot and heavy. He was trying to CRIPPLE and HUMILIATE Obama. He was trying LOWER OBAMA'S STATURE. He was trying to DIMINISH HIM. He was trying shit all over Obama's ACCOMPLISHMENTS.

It was disgusting. What a low thing to do.

[thesquanderer]

79. re: "I know exactly what his motivation was. "

Ah. When you asked "WHY??" I thought you actually couldn't understand why, so I pointed you to the answer. Sorry, I didn't realize it was just snark. Carry on...

[HarlanPepper]

51. There are some things you can forgive

But this isn’t one of them.

[Gothmog]

71. Agreed

[betsuni]

23. K&R

[LakeArenal]

26. To many of us, Obama was not only our greatest president

He’s also our greatest human being of our lifetime.

So any scrap of Obama’s legacy we can muster is fine by us.

[octoberlib]

31. Obama campaigned in 2006 for Bernie's Senate campaign. He went to Vermont.

Bernie calls for Obama to be primaried.

[tritsofme]

32. It's easy to forget the hate President Obama experienced right here. Not surprising who the POSUCS

crowd would line up behind this year.

[emmaverybo]

34. K+R

[highplainsdem]

38. K&R! Great ad!

[Marcuse]

40. An effective ad, with the advantage of being truthful.

[MarianJack]

45. Good ad.

RESIST!

[peoli]

46. Weaksauce

[VladmireTrumpkins]

47. Sanders : Trumps only hope

I could support anyone of the candidates but winning is everything,, and I dont think America will vote for a socialist..
Think America will chose the fascist over the socialist which is why the Russians are pushing Sanders..

[Woodycall]

53. It's becoming very sad..

that the campaign of a good man like Joe Biden, has come down to a noun, a verb, and Barack Obama...

[blue-wave]

57. Joe's campaign is much more than what you say

Your conjecture is silly. Sounds like you never liked Joe anyway.

It’s a great ad that points to decision making flaws in Bernie’s thinking. Needs to come out now, before the general election.

[Woodycall]

63. I freaking loved, and love Joe...

but his time may have come and gone. It happens to everybody. As I said, it's sad to see him reduced to this. And I meant that sincerely. Times, and circumstances change...

[uponit7771]

64. This is not an accurate assessment of Biden's campaign but if it was I'd be OK with it, Obama cred

... is strong and should get that kinda mileage.

[Scurrilous]

55. Funny story there...

2010 - Obama & Biden are toiling to craft a deal w/ the GOP to get an extension of unemployment benefits by extending parts of 09's 'The Stimulus.' Bernie filibusters Obama's deal with a 8 1/2 speech on Senate floor.

During the filibuster he derides the tax cuts the GOP ask for in the deal, mocking the wealthy beneficiaries of the cuts who own multiple homes with "Enough is enough! ... How many homes can you own?'

Obama's deal passes easily, the unemployed keep getting their checks. Thanks Obama! Meanwhile Bernie cashes in by turning the transcript of the speech into a book ingeniously titled 'The Speech.' Makes a little over $30k.

He also catches the attention of the ratfuckers from the left.

'Matt Taibbi of Rolling Stone praised the book saying “Bernie Sanders is such a rarity, and people should appreciate what he’s doing not just for his home state of Vermont, but for the reputation of all politicians in general.”

In response to the speech, hundreds of people signed online petitions urging Sanders to run in the 2012 presidential election, and pollsters began measuring his support in key primary states. Progressive activists such as Rabbi Michael Lerner and economist David Korten publicly voiced their support for a prospective Sanders run against President Obama. While Sanders declined to run for president in 2012 (instead running for re-election to the Senate), he would later run in 2016 and again in 2020.' - Wiki

Yep, Bernie waited, then ran in the 2016 primary instead. Lost to Hillary. Then he signed a fat deal to write about the campaign, the Guardian noting 'Throughout the year, both Bernie and his wife, Jane, kept records and notes. Sanders is using these as the basis for much of the text..'

Just prior to the 2016 convention Bernie gets a $795k advance for his book. Less than thirty days later he's plunking down cash to close on a common $600k cabin on the shores of Lake Champlain. His 3rd house. His multiple house. The very thing he complained about in the speech that begat the book that got the attention which spurred him to run and after losing cashes in and buys a 3rd home which he complained about in the speech that...

[thesquanderer]

61. At least he knows how many homes he has (unlike McCain). But...

...he wasn't railing against people having multiple homes. He was railing against tax cuts for people making over $250k. Essentially, "there's no need to give rich people tax cuts so they can buy more homes, how many do they need?" He's been earning more since then, but he still doesn't support low taxes for the wealthy, even as he has joined them.

[subana]

60. no he can't be trusted!

I saw a tweet a couple of days ago that said "while you were planning a primary, we were passing health care!

[Gothmog]

72. There is video of sanders calling for a primary of President Obama

Link to tweet

[Cha]

75. Who was it that said something about

people running that acted like there wasn't an internet?

Thanks Goth

[Quixote1818]

76. Sorry, won't work. Just like Hillary's attacks didn't work. Nt

[wyldwolf]

77. I seem to recall Hillary winning the nomination. Apparently something she did worked.