?????

[Laura PourMeADrink]

How can DU, in terms of whom we support be so different than national polls ?

If legit ??? That is, if no one manipulating results of OUR primaries, polls, and caucuses ( #$@&$), then..... Would love it if the Sanders supporters here would help the rest of us.

Help/Make us love him. For me, it's light years away, at this point

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. DU isn't representative of all Democrats.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

5. We are THAT different than all Dems?? There are

millions of MORE progressive people than we are composed of here? VO..does that make logical sense? That there is a giant shitload of Dems out there that don't comment here?

Something's rotten in Denmark.

[Mariana]

24. Yes, I think we are that different.

I believe that more of us are older, more of us are white, and more of us are relatively wealthy than in the population of Democrats in general.

[lunasun]

44. +1 yes to all 3 that is what I wrote about earlier in a post of concern . Also often those 3 and no

offense to people here who are, and I know most here wont agree anyway, but those 3 factors often lead to thinking they know best for everyone because of their place in a society that reinforces that thought

Of course not all will fit this divide but I think these are factors

[redqueen]

52. Nailed it.

Saw a thread in GD asking who all had a pension.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213010633#post36

I did a rueful laugh.

[Uncle Joe]

74. I agree on all counts Mariana.

[ramen]

26. Necessarily, yes, think of how many people are here, let alone how many regularly/compulsively

post, and then think of how many Democrats there are.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

33. I think about the way some of us were shot down and

harassed just because we wanted the monster impeached. So you are probably right.

[ramen]

36. That is shameful stuff, yeah. And we would have gotten away with it if it weren't for those

pesky constitution-shredding republicans.. regardless, I understand the thrust of your point. Sanders wouldn't be your choice A or B or C. He and Warren are both my choice A, and I think they both would be positioned well to address the current crisis. Not everybody sees the battlefield that way, and I respect the perspectives of those people, and I don't have a leg to stand on to say that I'm right and they're wrong for the same reason they don't. I'm impressed with Buttigieg. I have been wary of Biden's but thought he performed extremely well in the most recent debate in a way that made me question that assessment.

I think that if all candidates and all their supporters (and let's have some unicorns and shit, because this will not happen) simply campaign on what they are fighting FOR and stick to that, that we end up with a rising tide that actually lifts all boats. When working with a claymore, you want to note which side faces the enemy. The enemy is over there putting kids in actual fucking cages and gutting social services and running his shitty little tv version of the night of the long knives at what is left of the State department.

My two cents. Results may vary.

[Tweedy]

61. labels are rather meaningless

This country is progressive.

We support a wealth tax
We support health care as a right
We support public education

There are large majorities for all of the above.

Senator Sanders rhetoric is hard to take and his suggestion that we could flip a switch and immediately have a functional Medicare for all is bonkers.

People are not opposed to government provided insurance. It is already all around us, i.e. flood insurance. Out here the state provides earthquake insurance.

Medicare's administrative costs are lower than every other kind of plan out there and it serves an older, sicker population. We aren't fools. Americans know it works better.

Are you certain your problems are with the policies, and not with the rhetoric coming from the Vermont senator and his campaign?

My problems are with the later, especially the tendency to attack those who are simply asking questions. If you know of a policy that particularly irks you & was not mentioned above, please tell me.

[MisterFred]

2. Selection bias.

We self-select for a strong interest in politics. That alone makes us quite different from most voters.

You don't need to love Sanders. I don't love Biden. But we can both support the Dem candidate, whoever it may be, against Trump. In the primary, vote who you want. If you like Biden the most out of the field, vote for him with no criticism from me. I'll vote for a different starting lineup, but I'm still glad we're on the same team.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

9. Yes... totally get that.. support our final choice. But something

just seems totally amiss. Just watched Sanders town hall. He is not warm. He is on the left wing. I personally agree, but no way does he represent the majority if our party. I guess Dem turnout is only from left or something stinks.

[MisterFred]

11. Oh I agree. He's not a great speaker.

He really only has four things going for him.

First - trust. People trust him to pursue his stated goals more than they trust other politicians. A lot of voters care about this more than they care about what part of the progressive spectrum someone's issues are from.

Second -change. He's an outsider candidate. People love that right now. I think this and the next issue are his main advantages over Biden.

Third - healthcare. Medicare for all sounds great to people who know someone rationing insulin.

Fourth - name recognition. Like Biden, his name is familiar and well-known to low-information voters.

Other things, like perceived elect-ability, are a wash. Some things, like age, are a downside.

[David__77]

18. I really like how he delivers his stuff.

That’s the thing, people have different perspectives.

[MisterFred]

19. Fair enough. nt

[LaurenOlimina]

28. He also built a hell of an election machine.

It's winning him votes.

[MisterFred]

34. Good Point. nt

[loyalsister]

20. The only people I know who support Joe Biden are here at DU

I live in a small city with a large university and there are tons of Warren and Sanders supporters.

[LaurenOlimina]

37. Me too...

I know a lot of anyone-but-Biden people. I know a few who will never vote for Bloomberg. I'll take some convincing myself if its Bloomberg.

Its al Sanders, Warren and Pete in my circle.

[Moderateguy]

3. We are more politically active...

We care on how Sanders is going to pay for his giveaways--the avg. voter does not. All they hear is free and they're good to go

[ramen]

27. Can you clarify what you think Sanders is 'giving away' for free?

I assume you don't mean like the 'giveaways' to the military or ICE or libraries or schools, but rather the giveaways to upend a health care system that prioritizes insurance company profits over human life, yeah?

[ChubbyStar]

32. Gee, will welfare queens driving Cadillacs be the next thing posted?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

39. Calm. Perhaps no one has figured out how to express

that effectively? IMHO, they have controlled the narrative on military spending 100%. You can't cut a dime or you hate the soldiers. This is not right. Think people would totally get it if you explained the budget and how you would reengineer. We have 1+ million troops. Why? Reductions could pay for so much good to our society. Yet it's a sacrosanct topic.

It's a force so strong Dems are chosing taxings billionaires instead.

[ramen]

42. I think that wealth inequality in this country is as big of a problem as the military spending,

personally. And I think it would be ideal to address both. How we get that message out in a way that unites the electorate is a total mystery to me. If we had someone like Obama running, we might have an easier time doing so, but we simply do not. Our choices are limited to a variety of imperfect candidates. I definitely agree that Sanders has not been sufficiently effective in explaining your point about how much we would gain by reducing military spending.

Primarily, I want to see Trump voted out by almost any means necessary, lest the slide into fascism hasten. If that's Sanders, I'll be there with pen in hand and dollars given. If it's Biden or Klobuchar or Buttigieg or even Bloomberg, I'll be there in about the same way.

What a mess. I hope we can right the ship one way or another. I think fanaticism right now is unhelpful on any side, be that the narrative that only Biden or only Sanders can do it. For the record, I really appreciate your honest ask in this post, and the way you are handling the would-be answers to it.

[lunasun]

49. I think that is what is meant and also "something I didn't get so it's not right for others now "

Healthcare is a good example
Healthcare in most other countries is accepted but on DU I see it referred to as free stuff

I look at South Korea a country where we helped protect their border and since 1977 they have had it and SK is ranked one of the worlds best in healthcare

I also think a lot has to do with people who have bought into American exceptionalism and buy that not paying the most =bad

So trying to change that is just mad people who don’t want to pay a high price which has been part of the American way of success they have been brought up on

[ramen]

53. Yes. It's the crabs in a bucket syndrome.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_mentality

We can absolutely afford to have health care in this country.

[lunasun]

63. Thanks even the conspiracy equivalent mentioned is part of the OP

[napi21]

57. At least what people perceive as free stuff: free college tuition & student loan forgiveness are 2

things.

[ramen]

58. These countries cover college tuition:

http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/countries-with-free-college/

I think we can, too. This is not unicorns and rainbows territory. It is smart investment in our country's youth, who inexorably become its not-youth. Not all of these countries are particularly progressive, either, note Brazil and Slovenia as examples. It's not free, it's publicly funded.

[napi21]

62. I know there are countries that have free college tuition, or very inexpensive. My granddaughter

from Romania went through college & medical school. My son married her mother when he lived & worked in Italy. His wife told him how much her daughter wanted to go to medical school, but she didn't feel she would be able to afford to sent her. He asked how much it cost She was very hesitant to tell him because she didn't feel it was right for him to have to pay for her daughter. Finally she told him. $!,000 per year! He laughed! He asked her if she knew how much med school cost in the US. Anyway, he paid her $1,000 per year & she is now a Doctor in Germany. There are a lot of differences between the countries that offer free tuition & the US. Their taxes are higher than here. They don't have anything close to the difference we have between the working people & the wealthy. Alswo their medical professionals are all employed by the government. They do make a nice salary but not anything close to some o the speciialists do here.

[ramen]

73. Nail on the head there. The income inequality is directly to blame for a lot of the trouble here.

With the hyper-rich paying their fair share and without massive tax cuts for those who could never spend all their money in their lifetime comes the financial viability of health care.

[lunasun]

68. Also a lot of people do not travel or if they do it is in the confines of a group travel or tourist

areas. They often do not learn the language so how many college students will they speak to about education benefits ? Healthcare is hidden to most tourist . So they do not see the benefits . Get hurt while on tour yes then they will ask where is the bill and see the difference
Talk to some foreign business owners and realize they can globally compete better without supporting employee health insurance on their cost accounting , or employees not bound to an employer for hC can increase entrepreneurship and new business models
maybe but not usually
A simple trip to English speaking Canada or UK may enlighten at least with h c
Or look at France free classes to all EU citizens
Or not
again the American exceptionalism mindset can overrule any actual observance

[napi21]

90. There is another hing that is quite different in European countries. The "luxuries" that we have

gotten used to in the US with health care. My son who lived in Italy for almost 20 years points this out all the time. There are very few, if any, private rooms in their hospitals. They are all 2-3 patients per room. I know that doesn't sound like a big deal, but the hospital costs are BIG! He spoke from experience too. He had an accident o his motorcycle and broke his kneecap. It wasn't a bad experience from the patiets point of view, but some here in the States would scream, just because it's bee that way for a long time. Not always. When I was about 12 my grandmother went into the hospital & there were 2 other patients in her room. They had semi-private rooms & they also had wards where there might be 8+ patients. My dad always said the wards were where you went when you had no insurance. I wouldn't have a problem having 2-3 to a room. There would be someone to talk to while you were there, but some Americans would complain because they don't know anything else,

[uponit7771]

4. National polls mean little, what are the swing state polls? National polls are M$M Horse race candy

[MisterFred]

6. Pretty even for all the Dems vs. Trump. Except Bloomberg, who is behind Trump. nt

[uponit7771]

7. No, there's no even for all dems vs Biden does the best in swings states vs Trump and

... is one of the only candidates that's outside of MOE

[MisterFred]

8. Not in the swing state polls I've seen. nt

[uponit7771]

70. Historically, not the current meaningless snap shots BUT ... NBC/WSJ poll has only Biden outside of

MOE in the latest polling.

The 4 and 8 swing states in the last 3 months has Biden constantly beating Sanders against Trump

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-the-press/nbc-news-wsj-poll-sanders-opens-double-digit-national-lead-n1138191

But many of these margins get smaller when the race is narrowed to voters from 11 battleground states — Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Maine, Michigan, Minnesota, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

Bloomberg's lead decreases to 2 points, (48 percent to 46 percent); Sanders (49 percent to 48 percent) and Klobuchar (48 percent to 47 percent) to 1 point; and Buttigieg is tied with Trump (47 percent to 47 percent).

Only Biden maintains his same lead, 52 percent to 44 percent.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

13. Yes. It all makes zero sense. Biden does the best

In match ups. And he is the ONLY one who maintains a matchup lead in the battleground states. And 1/2 the public wants a candidate to beat trump, primarily.

So it's a big WTF?

[uponit7771]

71. The miseducation by the M$M Chris Hayes last night "Why are you freaking out about Sanders?!"

BECAUSE HIS SWING STATE NUMBERS SUCK !!!

We've not had a democratically elected republican president in the last 20 years and its not going to get better because of voter suppression measures

So swing states are all that matter

[W_HAMILTON]

10. I believe Sanders supporters separated off from this site back in 2016.

So, his numbers will inevitably be smaller here, even though they are creeping up as apparently some brand new users that just signed up to the site have joined our ranks in the past month.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

14. Good point. So we, at DU, are primarily more moderate and

there are a giant slew of leftists who exist elsewhere?

[ramen]

31. Negatory.. been reading this site for 16-17 years, but only posting for a year or so.

Not sure if that's what your animated emoji is meant to eliminate as a reality, sorry to burst your bubble, if so.

[LaurenOlimina]

38. Yeah, Sanders supporters were driven from the site.

Lots of hard feelings here when he didn't drop out and took it to the convention.

A quote from back in the day, now deleted, "I didn't refuse to vote for Hillary Clinton because any goddamned Russian told me to. I refused to vote for her because she is a warmongering, election stealing, Goldman Sachs fellating, Republican WHORE. No offense to sex workers."

That kind of crap is unacceptable.

[democrattotheend]

86. He didn't take it to the convention

He endorsed Hillary in mid-July. Which was later than it should have been, no doubt, but it was several weeks before the convention. By the time of the convention he had already endorsed her and done a joint appearance with her, and he also spoke on her behalf at the convention. But some of his delegates were still in denial and thought they could win it for him at the convention.

[LaurenOlimina]

87. That's true.

His supporters wanted the 11th-hour save. I'd forgotten.

[democrattotheend]

88. Some of them did

Mostly the rank and file volunteers who served as delegates, not the ones who were elected officials. I actually commend Bernie for allowing regular people to serve as delegates, unlike most campaigns that handpick local officials and big donors. But the downside of that is that it was harder to screen or control them at the convention, and some of the people who were elected as delegates were Occupy/ANSWER types who are more radical than he is. I wouldn't even be surprised if a few Republicans got elected as Bernie delegates to disrupt the convention. I'm hoping that this year, Bernie's campaign will have a better system for vetting without being so rigid that they shut regular people out of the process.

[democrattotheend]

85. Some of them did

The ones who were Bernie or Bust left for sites like Jack Pine Radicals.

Those of us who supported Bernie in the primaries but then supported Hillary in the general are still here, although I did take a break for a while after the 2016 general. Not just from DU but from politics in general.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

12. DU is a small unrepresentative sample of a big pool of voters.

It trends older and whiter.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

17. Hard to see WG..being in a red state. There's a giant

group who are tens times more progressive than we are. Glad for that. Saw it in Impeachment battle. If it's REALLY true, I do not know it. Maybe those who see the leftist wave elsewhere can attest to it?

[David__77]

15. Because age and other stuff.

In a California poll if early voters I saw that Biden was at 2% with 18-34 year olds.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

21. Well guess if it happens I will go with that...that

there is a giant youth wave steering us to Sanders.

But, I do remember voting for ideas only. And never thinking about consequences or immediacy. Didn't work out too well.

[k2qb3]

16. I don't know that I love him, myself...

What I do love are his priorities.

Both the stuff he chooses to focus on, and the stuff he doesn't. That's a big part of the job.

I think that's probably the big factor people are missing here. There's choices the party has made that weren't smart on that score, and there's not really an open discussion about such things among the hyper-partisan. You get locked in to positions by following a narrative and supporting its authors.

Most of the things he gets criticized for in terms of party and agenda purity are positives from my perspective, either policy wise or in terms of political capital.

The unfortunate things he's said over the years don't weigh as heavily as people seem to think, he's been open and honest about his views for decades, and I'm pretty sure I said and did stupider stuff 40 years ago.

Look at how Americans feel about congress, even democratic congress. That's why the supposed safe bet isn't safe. Bloomberg isn't safe at all, he's a disaster, and the people supporting him thinking he'll appeal to independents must have a serious misunderstanding of why they're not partisans.

I'm older, but I also think ecology is a big factor in the way younger people are looking at things, we don't have another generation to dither away.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

25. Agree with what you are saying but it's impossible to believe

that enough people believe all of that...to actually win a general election. Doesn't that matter to you? As altruistic as it sounds...if it doesn't hit the majority out our nation of voters..what does it matter except for making a statement? And I mean this with all due respect and sincerity.

[k2qb3]

67. I'm not sure what you mean?

Voters don't have to believe all of that to prefer Bernie to Trump, that's just why I think they're voting for him.

ALL of our candidates are commies to the right. People voted for Trump because they wanted a wrecking ball to smash the status quo.

[SMC22307]

22. Why do you need to "love" a candidate? I've never "loved" a candidate.

I vote for who I align with most on policy. We're voting for President of the United States, not a freakin' contestant on American Idol.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

29. I'm SO sorry that you have never loved a candidate. It's

a great feeling and gives you hope and drives you to work your heart out. Although you may be like my husband who says the way he was raised they never "loved" or "hated" anything. I use both too loosely.

I agree with you..it's just that this time in history, it's life or death.

[ChubbyStar]

41. You seem to be having a difficult time understanding Bernie's appeal

Maybe his supporters LOVE him. " It's a great feeling and gives you hope and drives you to work your heart out." You just wrote it, so I am sure you will understand, right?

[democratisphere]

23. I am opposed to being brainwashed.

How about you?!

[Laura PourMeADrink]

30. Please expound

[democratisphere]

64. Money for nothing and the health care, child care, higher education,

and forgiven student loans are all for free OR paid a by a zillionaire named "public funding".

[Laura PourMeADrink]

80. I really wish we could talk more about reallocation of

what we do spend. Proceed like a well run business does. Reengineer the military and only keep what we truly need. But it's so political ( repukes made it that way). So a single dollar cut in growth is blown up to be that you are against the red white and blue. It is so absurd.

[LaurenOlimina]

35. Yes, sanders supporters must be brainwashed....

He has had a consistent message for 15 years and been running for president for four of those. Of course he is going to be popular. Of course his election machine works. A large portion of the Democratic electorate wants REAL change. He seems to be the only viable shot at that. He has those votes. He earned them by being right about things like the
Iraq war and inequality.

I don't think large portions of the Democratic party are delusional.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

40. Yet, he wasn't ahead months ago. So if what you

are saying is true, what happened for so many to see the light?

[LaurenOlimina]

43. He was ahead, on the ground.

State by state polling has showed support for Bernie. Biden has been weak at everything but national polling and imaginary matchups with Trump. Now we're seeing four years of legwork by Bernie at work. Did you know he had a machine to mobilize hispanic voters? I had no clue. That got him a sizeable lead in Nevada and a shot at Texas.

When Bernie started winning, Biden's un-beat-ability took the inevitable hit. How can he beat Trump if he can't win a primary? See below for the slump.
[link:https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-primary-d/national/|
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-primary-d/national/]

Bernie has been banking on being the second choice to a LOT of people. According to this poll, he was second choice to 33% of Biden supporters. Once Biden no longer looked sure, where did they go? Once Biden wasn't viable in a caucus, where did they go?
[link:https://morningconsult.com/2020-democratic-primary/|
https://morningconsult.com/2020-democratic-primary/]

BIDEN SUPPORTERS
Second Choice Selections
Bernie Sanders
33%
Michael Bloomberg
24%
Elizabeth Warren
14%

Now look back at the first graph, it is consistent. Biden's slump coincides with a Bloomberg and Warren pop with Bernie going up considerably.

God I love primary season.

[questionseverything]

45. the voting has just started

he was only "behind" in the polls, which are overwhelmingly landline, which are overwhelmingly elderly people, who already have healthcare


it was nothing but a narrative the msm wanted to be so


<shrugs>

[Laura PourMeADrink]

48. Don't buy that. Biden best candidate because he

has experience and because he is the trump antithesis.. decent and kind. People know him. If you were 15 yo in 2008 you are now 27

[questionseverything]

82. in your opionion maybe he is best

but I have huge problems with his policies over the years

and since he is barely registering now that voting has started, evidently most people agree with me

the reason he does well here at du is most people are older,there fore they have medicare and don't need help and most are well off so they don't understand his policies

I have no idea what 15 in 2008 has to do with anything

[Laura PourMeADrink]

83. Biden is the only one who maintains his matchup leads in battleground states

which is only thing that is important.

[questionseverything]

84. lol your op is about how the polling has all been wrong

and yet you want us to change candidates do to some more false polling

you are a hoot!

[Laura PourMeADrink]

89. Actually don't care what you do. those not man enough to declare a choice get low consideration.

[democratisphere]

46. drumpf was change and look where it got US.

Not all change is good, especially when we want change for the sake of change. Numbers usually add up but in THIS case that just don't, not even close. Fantasies are for the moment, realities last forever.

[LaurenOlimina]

47. I find your post ironic.

"Fantasies are for the moment, realities last forever."

This is the reality of our primary. If Bernie was so weak, why didn't Biden take him down? Or Hillary?

I'm starting to think he is not as weak as we have been led to believe.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

50. Your last paragraph. What I want to know. Lean

toward something is fishy. Yet no one really propping him up here with legitimate seriousness.

[democratisphere]

51. BS message of FREE.

To believe is idiotic.

[LaurenOlimina]

54. Worked for Trump...

I'm just saying, on some level they are the same. I guess I'm more suspicious and realistic in my expectations of my fellow Democrats. Bernie's strength has never been a surprise to me.

[democratisphere]

55. Obama: Hope and Change.

BS: Hope a dope.

[LaurenOlimina]

56. Bernie's message is Change and Hope...

Let's make this change and hope for the best. It is still appealing.

[ramen]

59. Publicly funded is not the same as free.

By your logic, we have free police, military, roads, libraries, government, courts, etc. Using public money for what is overwhelmingly good for the public does not have to be passing out candy to idealists.

[democratisphere]

60. The public is tapped out barely surviving paycheck to paycheck.

The government is consistently running massive deficits and debt.

I don't now who "public" is but they had better be a zillionaire and extremely generous.

[ramen]

72. Thus Sanders' focus on having the unreasonably rich pay their fair share.

That's where the money and the deficit are: in the bank accounts and investments of people who have amassed more money than makes any societal sense given the plight of the paycheck-to-paycheck crew.

[lunasun]

65. It's not you it's that different voters are voting . Be careful what you wish for I guess

A question -is this not the DU where I have read for years complaints about millennials not voting what’s wrong with them ?
and Hispanics , why are so many republicans or the low turnouts ?
Maybe these groups were not buying what the party was selling
Now many of the same Du seems to dislike the results of these groups coming out in high numbers in the dem primaries

Oh wait until generation Z is full voter age . They are another group of force coming up
Climate change since birth, school shooter practices since 1st grade through to HS
Born after 9/11 ,their childhood in a recession , connected globally and higher racial diversity -they are not millennials
Many will disdain their new representation to the dem political scene too I am sure
They are not thinking old school
Don’t forget
REpublicans would love to take any rejects the dem party cast off or be happy that Dems turned voters off enough to go back to not voting

[Polybius]

66. A lot of Sanders supporters were apparently deleted after 2016 for not supporting Democrats

If you search old posts and old polls, it was way different in 2016.

[dualboy24]

69. That's what I heard also

DU is a very small forum compared to say reddit's politics or Sanders for president forum. Those are both very progressive and pro Sanders.

Coming here it seems almost like the twilight zone.

[corbettkroehler]

75. This Berner Believes The Discrepancy Owes To The Sample Size

Having spent quite a lot of time here since Sanders announced his 2020 bid, I have noticed a clear discrepancy in the relative community sizes. I won't speculate as to the cause but am certain that Berners are far, far outnumbered here by undecideds and those who support other candidates.

This simple fact skews the numbers versus polls, such as

Link to tweet

[HopeAgain]

79. Also I strongly suspect

a much older median age here.

[corbettkroehler]

81. Point Taken

Here's another of those pesky discrepancies.

Link to tweet

[IVoteDFL]

76. I'm guessing the a large number of Sanders supporters don't post here b/c of the the primary climate

I'm happy to explain my positions, but I'm not very representative of a typical supporter, in that getting upset over any politics isn't good for my anxiety so I'm not going to passionately argue anything with anyone and I'm not typical representative of DU because I feel I have very little in common with the people who post here. Who are fine people, but seem to in general be better off than most people in my community, I feel because of these differences in our experiences it's hard to understand where the other is coming from.


I grew up dirt poor in a time where it's getting increasingly difficult to get anywhere if you have no advantages. Nobody has had the backs of the low income citizens. Every election cycle all you ever heard about was the middle class. Obviously that is a huge portion of voters that you can't ignore, but try to understand how POOR people felt when we heard Sanders speak to us.

I'm not going to go on at length about income inequality because I think most people here get the idea already. I think some don't quite fully understand how big the problem is in communities like mine. People are desperate where I live for a real chance. The childcare thing is huge. I know single moms who work almost just to pay for daycare. Inexpensive college is huge. It gives us opportunities we thought we'd never have.

Those people that are desperate don't necessarily care if we win the election. For them nothing has changed much their entire lives weather there is a D or R in the oval. Those people care about changing the conversation. They care about someone speaking up for them. Electability is a huge concern for people on DU. For a lot of people that I know, it's not. To them even if he loses at least people know they exist now.

Fwiw I did manage to pull myself up the hard way, and I do okay now. I'm about to turn 30 and finally purchase my first car. Not my first new car. My first car. It shouldn't be this hard.

Edit to add: We go hard for Warren here too.

[lunasun]

91. Good post and it's not just getting the car you have to support it with insurance and plates etc

I know people who just say forget it when they figure all the cost . It Is hard !

Changing the conversation yes it was done in 2016 and both warren and sanders are continuing 2020

[Autumn]

77. The only people I know of who don't like Bernie are here. I don't know one person IRL

that dislikes Bernie and I also don't know one single person who likes Biden. DU is in no way representative of real life.

[HopeAgain]

78. DU does not represent the full Demographic of Democrats

Spend a little time on other social media sites and you will see that younger liberals are waking up. I don't love the person Sanders, I love his zeal for a fairer system and that he is truly a progressive and has been consistently so forever.