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applegrove

(118,622 posts)
Tue Feb 25, 2020, 12:12 AM Feb 2020

Bernie Sanders Isn't the Left's Trump And this is no time for ego or self-indulgence.

Bernie Sanders Isn’t the Left’s Trump

And this is no time for ego or self-indulgence.

By Paul Krugman, Opinion Columnist, the NY Times

Feb. 23, 2020

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/23/opinion/bernie-sanders-isnt-the-lefts-trump.html?algo=top_conversion&fellback=false&imp_id=818603263&imp_id=718686674&action=click&module=Most Popular&pgtype=Homepage

"SNIP.....

Look, I know the primaries aren’t over, and it’s still possible that Democratic centrists will get their act together. But Bernie Sanders is now the clear favorite for the Democratic nomination. There are many things to say about that, but the most important is that he is NOT a left-leaning version of Trump. Even if you disagree with his ideas, he’s not a wannabe authoritarian ruler.

America under a Sanders presidency would still be America, both because Sanders is an infinitely better human being than Trump and because the Democratic Party wouldn’t enable abuse of power the way Republicans have.

And if you’re worried about his economic agenda, what’s your concern, exactly? That he’ll raise taxes on the rich part way back to what they were under Dwight Eisenhower? That he’ll run budget deficits? Trump is doing that already — and the economic effects have been positive.

I’m more concerned about (a) the electability of someone who says he’s a socialist even though he isn’t and (b) if he does win, whether he’ll squander political capital on unwinnable fights like abolishing private health insurance. But if he’s the nominee, it’s the job of Dems to make him electable if at all possible.

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If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Bernie Sanders Isn't the Left's Trump And this is no time for ego or self-indulgence. (Original Post) applegrove Feb 2020 OP
I'll rec it for his concerns. Nt BootinUp Feb 2020 #1
Yup. The world is not ending. LaurenOlimina Feb 2020 #2
We can try to sugarcoat Sanders later if we're stuck with him. In the meantime, we're only highplainsdem Feb 2020 #3
the very idea just makes me sick Skittles Feb 2020 #11
Thanks for the post applegrove CentralMass Feb 2020 #4
De Rien Mass Centrale! applegrove Feb 2020 #5
Rec'd with thanks. Voices of sanity welcomed. nt babylonsister Feb 2020 #6
I generally agree Mersky Feb 2020 #7
What was his tweet Friday? applegrove Feb 2020 #8
I was referring to Bernie's tweet Mersky Feb 2020 #9
Okay. I hear you on that tweet. Bad form. applegrove Feb 2020 #10
Please remember that if Bernie is our nominee and we elect him, PatrickforO Feb 2020 #12
K & R Mountain Mule Feb 2020 #13
his economic agenda should be irrelevant cause it will require congress vote AlexSFCA Feb 2020 #14
Kick! burrowowl Feb 2020 #15
 

BootinUp

(47,141 posts)
1. I'll rec it for his concerns. Nt
Tue Feb 25, 2020, 12:14 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LaurenOlimina

(1,165 posts)
2. Yup. The world is not ending.
Tue Feb 25, 2020, 12:17 AM
Feb 2020

Bernie is not a villain.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

highplainsdem

(48,971 posts)
3. We can try to sugarcoat Sanders later if we're stuck with him. In the meantime, we're only
Tue Feb 25, 2020, 12:18 AM
Feb 2020

a few races into the primary, and he should be vetted.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Skittles

(153,150 posts)
11. the very idea just makes me sick
Tue Feb 25, 2020, 02:01 AM
Feb 2020

UGH

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
4. Thanks for the post applegrove
Tue Feb 25, 2020, 12:19 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

applegrove

(118,622 posts)
5. De Rien Mass Centrale!
Tue Feb 25, 2020, 12:24 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

babylonsister

(171,057 posts)
6. Rec'd with thanks. Voices of sanity welcomed. nt
Tue Feb 25, 2020, 12:40 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
7. I generally agree
Tue Feb 25, 2020, 12:40 AM
Feb 2020

But, I could have done without Sanders’ tweet from Friday evening.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

applegrove

(118,622 posts)
8. What was his tweet Friday?
Tue Feb 25, 2020, 12:48 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
9. I was referring to Bernie's tweet
Tue Feb 25, 2020, 12:52 AM
Feb 2020

from Friday.

I’ll edit my post to be more specific.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

applegrove

(118,622 posts)
10. Okay. I hear you on that tweet. Bad form.
Tue Feb 25, 2020, 12:56 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

PatrickforO

(14,570 posts)
12. Please remember that if Bernie is our nominee and we elect him,
Tue Feb 25, 2020, 02:07 AM
Feb 2020

he won't have the broad, sweeping powers that Trump claims. He will necessarily have to work with Congress to get things through, and our founders specifically set our government up so that forward progress requires lots of debate and some compromise.

It does.

Think about your history, and if you were lucky enough to have a good, solid civics course in high school, think about that, too.

Sanders isn't some ogre. He's not a Russian agent (like Trump demonstrably is). Sure Putin is going to troll him because that's the plan - to sow division among us so we lose and the oligarchs win another term for Trump. But that isn't Bernie's fault.

You know what kills me is that we all seem to pay lip service to speaking truth to power, but when we have someone who actually does it, we worry he's too far 'left.'

I'm not worried and I'm not going to worry. I'm saving my worry for whatever crap Trump is going to try. Whoever our nominee is will enjoy my full and active support. We're going to paint our towns, and our cities, and our counties, our states and this country blue!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Mountain Mule

(1,002 posts)
13. K & R
Tue Feb 25, 2020, 02:11 AM
Feb 2020

The voice of reason is very much appreciated these days.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

AlexSFCA

(6,137 posts)
14. his economic agenda should be irrelevant cause it will require congress vote
Tue Feb 25, 2020, 02:25 AM
Feb 2020

I’d be focusing on his chances to beat trump.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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