Biden WAS held up at the SA airport for refusing to separate from AA Congressmen there with him.

[highplainsdem]

I believe this is what he's recalling as an arrest.

And since arrests are defined as depriving a person of freedom of movement, and they don't require a warrant or subsequent charges, this was technically an arrest.

Politico article from 2013, referring to Biden's statement on Mandela's death:

https://www.politico.com/blogs/politico44/2013/12/biden-world-transformed-by-mandela-179005

Biden's statement from White House archives:

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2013/12/05/statement-vice-president-death-nelson-mandela

Note that he refers there to trying "to enter Soweto township with Congressmen Andrew Young of Atlanta and Charles Diggs of Detroit."

So that sounds as if they were blocked, too, at the time.

Biden's statement:

Nelson Mandela once said, “A good head and a good heart are always a formidable combination.” Mandela’s wisdom and compassion were formidable enough to change the world. First his courage and then his forgiveness inspired us all, and challenged us to do better. In the words of the South African poet Peter Horn, he “dreamed the world another way.” I saw his world the way it used to be when I visited South Africa as a 34 year old Senator. When I exited the plane I was directed to one side of the tarmac, while the African American congressmen traveling with me were sent to the other side. I refused to break off, and the officials finally relented. When I tried to enter Soweto township with Congressmen Andrew Young of Atlanta and Charles Diggs of Detroit, I remember their tears of anger and sadness. Because of Nelson Mandela’s courage, and compassion, that world has been transformed. One of my favorite Irish poets, Seamus Heaney once wrote: “History says, don’t hope on this side of the grave. But then, once in a lifetime, the longed-for tidal wave of justice rises up, and hope and history rhyme.” In the hands of Nelson Mandela, hope and history rhymed. This is a better world because Nelson Mandela was in it. He was a good man.

[rzemanfl]

1. K&R. n/t

[BlueCaliDem]

2. Thank you!

I'm getting sick and tired of surrogates trying to make it seem as if Joe Biden is senile (Shaun King) and, taking things out of context, a liar.

[Prosper]

50. Biden is to me positive and energetic and composed every time I see him.

Owning a classic big block (I think) Vette also makes that statement.

[DarthDem]

3. Thank you. Tired of this crap.

Anyone vet Sen. Sanders yet?

[honest.abe]

4. I figured there had to be some truth to the story.

It didnt make sense why he would just make something up like that.

Thanks for posting and clearing the air.

[George II]

5. Oh no, NOW you're done it! Will the people here who claimed it never happened retract...

....their claims of Biden lying? Doubt it.

[Demsrule86]

19. Nah, but they look a bit silly if they keep saying...best course is to pretend it didn't happen...

[PatSeg]

37. Nope

They'll just change the subject.

[jberryhill]

97. Why?

Because he started saying it in 2013 after Mandela died, and NOBODY ever knew of it in the preceding DECADES since it happened?

The OP merely proves that, yes, this is a thing that Biden has said.

[DarthDem]

102. Nope!!!!

No way.

[IluvPitties]

6. Good!

[doxyluv13]

8. Nice try, but not an arrest.

nt

[HarlanPepper]

10. welp

At least he didn’t say it was a good idea for little kids to run around naked with each other and touch each other’s junk.

[BusyBeingBest]

13. This election is a shitshow.

[LanternWaste]

36. Illustrating the character of your candidate again, eh?

[BusyBeingBest]

38. Huh?

[honest.abe]

14. How about detained??

[ProgressDiv]

67. Apartheid South Africa

The fine distinction between being detained and being arrested might not hold up in South Africa under Apartheid. In any event, this pointless hairsplitting is boarderline Troll behavior. Let it go.

[honest.abe]

84. Exactly. I was playing semantics with that person I replied to.

[Demsrule86]

18. If someone won't let me leave and locks me up somewhere, I consider it being detained or

even arrested.

[Boomer]

32. You obviously don't watch Live PD

As the police officers emphasize, over and over again, to people who are even in handcuffs "You are NOT under arrest, you are being detained."

Being detained and being arrested are to very different actions.

[ProgressDiv]

68. Yeah, I didn't watch "The Apprentice" either

So I was never taken in by the made-up "successful businessman" character.

[jmg257]

105. Huh - that is definitely not what we are taught in NY - you do not allow someone

To go about there own business, i.e. detain them - they are technically under arrest.

We even watched a video of someone being detained at an airport for suspicion of drugs...LE said “you are not under arrest, you just can go anywhere” ...bzzz - wrong.

You have to be REAL careful about stuff like that.

[LanternWaste]

34. And a millionaire ain't "rich", just a man of the people...

[uponit7771]

42. Yes it is, I went through this on a Federal secuirty form, I was pissed at what they called an arres

... but basically any loss of free movement cause an agent detains you is an arrest if you can't leave

[yardwork]

56. Nobody cares. This is silly.

[MineralMan]

58. The word "arrest" originates with with the French word for "stop."

In French, the verb form for "to stop" is Arrêter.

https://www.etymonline.com/word/arrest

arrest (v.)
"to cause to stop," also "to detain legally," late 14c., from Old French arester "to stay, stop" (12c., Modern French arrêter), from Vulgar Latin *arrestare "to stop, restrain" (source also of Italian arrestare, Spanish and Portuguese arrestar), from ad "to" (see ad-) + Latin restare "to stop, remain behind, stay back," from re- "back" (see re-) + stare "to stand," from PIE root *sta- "to stand, make or be firm." Figurative sense of "to catch and hold" (the attention, etc.) is from 1814.

arrest (n.)

"act of stopping; state of being stopped," late 14c., from Anglo-French arest, Old French areste (n.) "stoppage, delay" (12c., Modern French arrêt), from arester "to stay, stop" (see arrest (v.)). Especially in law, "the taking of a person into custody, usually by warrant from authority, to answer an alleged or suspected crime" (early 15c.).

[Loki Liesmith]

101. Whatevah chuckles

[jberryhill]

9. "So that sounds as if they were blocked, too, at the time."

Why do you suppose Andrew Young doesn't remember it?


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/21/us/politics/biden-south-africa-arrest-mandela.html

Andrew Young, a former congressman and mayor of Atlanta who was the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations from 1977 to 1979, said that he had traveled with Mr. Biden over the years, including to South Africa. But Mr. Young said that he had never been arrested in South Africa and expressed skepticism that members of Congress would have faced arrest there.

“No, I was never arrested and I don’t think he was, either,” Mr. Young, now 87, said in a telephone interview.

[jalan48]

11. +1

[Demsrule86]

15. The New York Times has evidence of this...maybe Young forgot it or didn't consider it

that bad as he had faced worst in the racist America of his time.

[jberryhill]

76. The New York Times has evidence of what?

The OP demonstrates that Biden has said this before, still decades after the alleged event. Proving that he said it in 2013 is not evidence of what happened in the 1970's.

[highplainsdem]

20. Because Young unfortunately had more experience with being blocked/detained/arrested, and Biden

wouldn't have had, and Biden's using "arrest" in the more general sense of movement being blocked.

So encounters with SA officials that would have seemed striking to Biden probably didn't seem that unusual/memorable to Young.

[OKNancy]

80. I read this morning that Young did say they were detained

I'll try to find the link

[jberryhill]

82. I would be interested to see that further statement of Ambassador Young

[cwydro]

89. Boom.

Thank you.

[Demsrule86]

12. I figured as much...you would think they would have figured it out by now...with corn pop? Is that

the name?

[redqueen]

16. K&R nt

[cannabis_flower]

17. That's a detention, not an arrest

https://www.livemint.com/Politics/i09p4xTzvJL78qwZyu6A8I/Theres-a-world-of-difference-between-arrest-and-detention.html

The main difference between detention and arrest is whether a person is charged with a crime or not.

In case of a person being detained, he is not formally accused of committing a crime but is simply restricted and kept in police custody on a reasonable suspicion. During the time in custody, he is questioned or investigated by the police authorities. After the police questioning, the person detained would be released.

The situation would be entirely different if a person was arrested. A person can only be arrested if he is charged for a crime and once he is arrested and has to be produced before a magistrate within the next 24 hours.

In certain situations, an initial detention may lead to an arrest

[George II]

21. Maybe in the United States, but that happened in South Africa in 1976.

[cannabis_flower]

22. From the description I just read..

It still doesn't sound like an arrest.

[lapfog_1]

24. and we should all have encyclopedic nuanced definitions at the ready all the time.

cause sure thing.

He was stopped by police... I would probably say "I am under arrest" too.

[cannabis_flower]

25. Well

I'd like to know what finally relented means. If it was 5 or 10 minutes while they called someone, that couldn't really be called an arrest. If it was more like several hours maybe. But the excerpt said they were on the tarmac and I suspect if it was longer than an hour or two they wouldn't still be on the tarmac

[lapfog_1]

30. as sdomeone who has been "detained" by police before

even for a short time, it sure felt like an arrest (no charges were ever filed).

[cannabis_flower]

35. As much as it "felt" like

An arrest, an arrest stays on your record even if the charges are dismissed. A detention, no.

[lapfog_1]

41. Like I said... Joe should be more careful when choosing his language.

because there are grammer police that know the difference between arrest and detained.

But at least you admit he didn't lie about the incident in South Africa.

[jberryhill]

96. A brief detention of a US Senator on a diplomatic mission would be HUGE news

[jberryhill]

70. He's a graduate of Syracuse U Law School and practiced criminal defense law

[honest.abe]

28. Semantics

Voters dont care when the future of the planet is at stake.

[uponit7771]

72. He couldn't leave, that's an arrest

[LizBeth]

23. I probably would have used the word arrested, too. Not detained or detention.

I don't have the language with this type of activity thru experience and knowledge and I would have said arrested. This one is not a big deal. I get it.

[cannabis_flower]

39. You are right

It's not a big deal. It is not a lie. But it does kind of show that he's a lawmaker who doesn't understand law.

[squirecam]

54. Really?

Because then that standard applies to.....you guessed it.....

https://www.theatlantic.com/notes/2016/01/gaffe-track-bernie-sanderss-supreme-confusion/426576/

[Turbineguy]

26. This

Trumpski 2020 operation is being undermined.

[Poeraria]

27. Biden is a damned fine man. Was then. Is now.

The party and the country would benefit from his administration.

[joost5]

29. I love uncle Joe but this is painful to watch

Link to tweet

Here @JoeBiden says to the crowd in South Carolina that he is "running for the United States Senate" and that if they don't like him they can "vote for the other Biden."

He's such a good guy, I hope he's well enough to continue.

[BusyBeingBest]

33. His speech is rote, hurried and he's not really listening to himself at all.

He's not doing well.

[joost5]

43. When Biden paces himself and speaks from the heart he can command a room

It sounds like he was rushing through this speech and got over his skiis. :/

[BusyBeingBest]

47. The only good thing, if he did become the nominee, is that both he and Donnie Dump

will make only occasional campaign appearances interspersed with resting days.

[padah513]

79. Wow... just wow

[BusyBeingBest]

81. Wow what? Joe is obviously tired. Probably all the candidates in their 70's are tired, because

running for President is very difficult. If it was a GE situation, it wouldn't matter as much because tRump is low energy himself and does little except appear at rallies.

[emmaverybo]

78. Yes. In fact, in those cases he has a real gift.

[Grendam]

31. ::sigh::

I get the feeling that not many of you have actually ready the NYT and WaPo articles:

From the Washington Post:

As the Times noted, Biden’s memoir makes no mention of any such arrest. As far as we can tell, Biden never mentioned this arrest before; neither can we locate any news accounts of him being arrested.

Biden’s first statement above is rather jumbled. Soweto, a township near Johannesburg, is nearly 900 miles from Robben — not Robbens — Island, which is off the coast of Cape Town. He appears to be referring to a trip in 1977, but the U.N. ambassador from 1977 to 1979, Andrew Young, told The Fact Checker that he was never arrested in South Africa.

“There is no chance I ever was arrested in South Africa, and I don’t think Joe was, either,” said Young, who as executive director of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference worked closely with Martin Luther King Jr. on civil rights demonstrations. “I was arrested twice, in Savannah and Atlanta.”

Young noted that memories can play tricks, but it isn’t easy to forget being arrested. He has had many people recall that they were arrested with him in Birmingham, Ala., but he must remind them that he was under specific instructions not to get arrested during the 1963 Birmingham protests. His friends may have been arrested in Birmingham, he said, but he was not.

Young is a former Atlanta mayor who supports fellow former mayor Mike Bloomberg but considers Biden a friend. He speculated that Biden was mixing up stories about congressional delegations that would fly into Lesotho, a landlocked country surrounded by South Africa. He said he believed he traveled on at least three trips with Biden when he was a member of Congress.

Young said that on one trip, “we were not jailed, but we were retained by South Africa police,” who would not let the lawmakers get back to a military base in Lesotho so they could board their plane. A colonel finally came and sorted everything out. Young, with a laugh, recalled that then-Rep. Charles B. Rangel (D-N.Y.), who headed the delegation, “got pretty worked up about it.”

Young recalled also traveling with Biden on a trip led by Rep. Charles Diggs (D-Mich.). Biden appeared to refer to that trip when, as vice president, he issued a statement in 2013 on Mandela’s death — a statement that did not include mention of any arrest: “When I tried to enter Soweto township with Congressmen Andrew Young of Atlanta and Charles Diggs of Detroit, I remember their tears of anger and sadness.”

As for trying to see Mandela, Young said he repeatedly sought permission to visit Mandela between 1974 and 1990, but it was always denied. (Mandela was released in 1990 after 27 years in the isolated prison.) He said it was possible to visit Soweto to meet Winnie Mandela, Mandela’s then-wife, as well as other members of the African National Congress.

The articles goes on, but what is new is that Biden has never claimed to have been arrested before or that Biden was thanked by Mandela for being arrested.

The Washington Post concludes:

Biden has never been shy about tooting his own horn. So it’s pretty surprising that on the eve of a primary critical to his election hopes, he suddenly recalls being arrested in South Africa — and being thanked by Mandela for being arrested. There is no evidence for either claim; neither appears remotely credible. Biden earns Four Pinocchios.

I don't really see the point in saying Biden is right or this is a big gotcha thing by the media. His memory is failing him or he's embellishing in his pitch to African-American voters. There's a reason why his campaign did not respond to several requests.

[counting]

61. +1000 eom

[cherryinpa]

40. You need to get this out there

Urgently.

The Bernie bro's have propogated the WP story and we need to counter it with these facts.

[quickesst]

44. K&R

One would think that sooner or later the anti-Biden crowd would get tired of having their ass handed to them.

[Iliyah]

45. I remember about the hold up . . .

And yes, Mandela, Pres O and VP Biden were friends.

And with that, hats off to VP Biden . . .

[USALiberal]

46. Held Up means Arrest to Biden?? Ahhhh....Isn't he a lawyer? nt

[ucrdem]

55. Arrest means to stop, from old French "arester," to stop.

[USALiberal]

60. Wow, really? nt

[uponit7771]

73. Yes, I went through this with a security form ... they didn't delinate the too ... pissed me off

[jberryhill]

95. It's a long flight. He was having a rest.

[jberryhill]

71. Yes, he is

And he practiced criminal defense.

[LakeArenal]

48. Parsing every word. AGAIN

If I was detained and not allowed to leave in a foreign country I would be freaked to the max. I would think of it as arrested.
Especially when it was years ago without the tech to straighten out the situation.

[USALiberal]

49. He's a lawyer for gods sake! He knows what an arrest is!!! nt

[LakeArenal]

51. Not a lawyer in SA

[USALiberal]

52. LOL, ok! nt

[LakeArenal]

59. I'm talking parsing words

Detained/arrested

To most people it’s he same thing. In a discussion I might call it either.
I might bull a cow. I might call a jet a plane. I might call gelato ice cream.

Yeah I know they aren’t the same.

[treestar]

83. Lawyers are not automatons

Always speaking with technical legal precision, especially out of court. This is some silly stuff.

[USALiberal]

85. Lets just agree most would know when they were arrested! Nt

[treestar]

86. Not in a foreign country

In fact, a lawyer might be more aware that a different country has different laws. Sometimes when a lawyer, you are asked about laws in other countries or even states and you have to explain you are only admitted to the bar of the states for which you passed the bar exam. A Delaware lawyer is no more a lawyer in South Africa than any other person who is not a lawyer. You're a layperson is every jurisdiction where you are not admitted. And other countries can be completely different. The US system is based on the English common law, so there could be some familiarity there but other countries don't even have that and are based on something different.

[USALiberal]

87. LOL, the guy with him knew they were not arrested..........

“There is no chance I ever was arrested in South Africa, and I don’t think Joe was, either,” said Young, who as executive director of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference worked closely with Martin Luther King Jr. on civil rights demonstrations. “I was arrested twice, in Savannah and Atlanta.”

[jberryhill]

90. Because he was dutifully avoiding the "whites only" line

Or so I am told.

It made no impression on Andrew Young, because it was perfectly natural to him that he and Biden were separated by race. Ayup.

[treestar]

107. Humans recall things differently

Even in major events.

[jberryhill]

108. Yeah

Like how Biden conveniently forgot that the truck driver that was heading along Limestone Road was (a) sober and (b) not engaged in any violation, when his first wife pulled out from a stop sign in front of him from Valley Road. I know you must be familiar with that intersection. It's right where Lantana Square is now. I'll bet we both buy our groceries there.

While it is a sad fact that she was at fault in that collision, in later years, Biden decided to juice it up a little, and eventually had to apologize to the family of the man he was slandering with his "different recall"

He first did it in 2001, and then again in 2008:

https://www.newarkpostonline.com/news/local/daughter-of-man-in-biden-crash-seeks-apology-from-widowed/article_6c9a477e-63be-561b-b771-1330b4cda02d.html

Daughter of man in ’72 Biden crash seeks apology from widowed Senator

[...]

According to Delaware Superior Court Judge Jerome O. Herlihy, who oversaw the police investigation 36 years ago as chief prosecutor, there is no evidence supporting Biden’s claim.

“The rumor about alcohol being involved by either party, especially the truck driver (Dunn), is incorrect,” Herlihy said recently.

Police determined that Biden’s first wife drove into the path of Dunn’s tractor-trailer, possibly because her head was turned and she didn’t see the oncoming truck.

...

Biden told the crowd, “A tractor-trailer, a guy who allegedly — and I never pursued it — drank his lunch instead of eating his lunch, broadsided my family and killed my wife instantly and killed my daughter instantly and hospitalized my two sons …”

“I just burst into tears,” Hamill said. “The story already is tragic enough, why did he have to sensationalize it by saying my father was drunk? My family is outraged.”

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/01/25/joe-biden-2019-profile-grief-beau-car-accident-224178

In 2001, the week following the September 11 attacks, Biden gave a speech at the University of Delaware to a crowd of more than 2,700. He told them to not be afraid. He told the students their generation was up to the task to fight this fight. And he grieved for the people who had gotten a call saying their loved ones were dead, just like that, there in the morning, now gone forever. Once, he said, he had gotten that call. “It was an errant driver who stopped to drink instead of drive and hit—a tractor-trailer—hit my children and my wife and killed them,” he said.

Six years later, in a very different context, in Iowa for a second attempt at running for president, he relayed a similar rendering of the accident. “Let me tell you a little story,” he said to a quiet crowd in Iowa City. “ … a guy who allegedly—and I never pursued it—drank his lunch instead of eating his lunch, broadsided my family … ”

The problem was it wasn’t true. The driver of the truck, Curtis C. Dunn of Pennsylvania, was not charged with drunk driving. He wasn’t charged with anything. The accident was an accident, and though the police file no longer exists, coverage in the newspapers at the time made it clear that fault was not in question. For whatever reason, Neilia Biden, who was holding the baby, ended up in the right of way of Dunn’s truck coming down a long hill.

“She had a stop sign. The truck driver did not,” Jerome Herlihy told me. He’s a retired judge who then was a deputy attorney general and once was a neighbor to Biden and remains friendly. A pal of Biden at the time asked Herlihy “to go out to the state police troop where the driver of the other vehicle was to make sure everything was going all right,” and so he did. “In the end,” Herlihy said, “I concurred in their decision that there was no fault on his part.”

Come on. Back in the days when women would drive with babies in their laps, and when Valley Road had a stop sign, and that ugly white building, instead of a light, how do you physically end up being "broadsided" on Limestone Road which has the right of way if you did NOT negligently pull out in into traffic? That intersection remained a local landmark for years and gave my mother the willies whenever we went to Hockessin. Everybody from that day on was extra careful coming off of Valley Road onto Limestone.

The problem about remembering things "differently" is when those "different memories" intersect with the reputations of other people.

The explanation being offered now - that Biden objected to some "whites" entrance while Andrew Young and Charles Diggs were obviously being separated to go to the "coloured" entrance (as the designation was in South Africa at that time) - is that it turns Young and Diggs into a pair of Stepin Fetchit caricatures who apparently had no objection, and no memory, of this incident to which they both would surely have objected.

Making up additional fictions to cover up for a clear embellishment is not a good look for anyone.

[treestar]

112. Biden wasn't there

And certainly, on an issue like that, the one in Biden's position will get cut a lot of slack - only Biden would have to apologize over it.

[treestar]

106. that wasn't the point

the issue was that lawyers should know when an arrest is made and only speak of it in technical terms even outside of court.

[jberryhill]

109. Oh give it a rest

No lawyer, and Biden was one of my professors, is going to refer to a brief detention as an arrest, and neither would Nelson Mandela get excited over it. We all know what an arrest is.

[treestar]

111. I might.

Though I've never been arrested.

[tblue37]

53. K&R for visibility. nt

[Tom Rinaldo]

57. I think this is more than fair to point out.

Literal choice of words does matter at the Presidential level, and Biden should have chosen his words more carefully, but with this information it is only a minor "slip up". It would have been best had Biden been able to clear this up personally immediately, any number of reporters would gladly take his call.

[former9thward]

62. Andrew Young says it did not happen.

“No, I was never arrested and I don’t think he was, either,” Young told the New York Times. “Now, people were being arrested in Washington. I don’t think there was ever a situation where congressmen were arrested in South Africa.”

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/ex-ambassador-disputes-biden-story-of-getting-arrested-during-south-africa-visit

[FakeNoose]

63. Well this is about apartheid and there were 2 separate entrances

They wanted Biden to use the "whites only" entrance and the 2 black congressmen were sent to the "everybody else" entrance. However Biden was the one who refused to use the "whites only" entrance.

So I can see why Andrew Young didn't feel it was the same thing as being arrested. It was Biden who stood his ground and said "No, you're not going to separate the three of us. We're all using the same entrance." Young may not have even known that Biden said that at the time.

[jberryhill]

74. It is highly unlikely that Andrew Young would have put up with that

So, you are saying that two black US congressmen cooperated with a racially segregated airport entrance in the 1970's, but the white one did not?

You are really going to go with Andrew Young putting up with that for one red hot moment?

[George II]

98. No he didn't, he said "I don't think he was".

[former9thward]

99. Yeah, A Senator with him is arrested and he doesn't know about it.

Ok, got it...

[jberryhill]

100. He couldn't see it from the "colored" line he was standing in

Because, yeah, that's exactly what Andrew Young would have been doing.

[pamdb]

64. joe

Close enough for me.

[Politicub]

65. Biden has entered the avant-garde phase of his campaign

And I’m here for it.

[Cha]

103. Thank you!

[JaneQPublic]

66. I take back calling him a "Lyin' dog-face pony soldier." (nt)

[melman]

69. He said he was arrested in the streets of Soweto

He wasn't. The end.

[jberryhill]

75. Both Andrew Young and Charles Diggs went along with it, apparently?

Is that correct?

Neither of the two black US congressmen had any objection to this (and Young specifically denies any such thing happening).

I find it very hard to believe that either of the two US congressmen would, for one millisecond, have cooperated with racial segregation.

[sandensea]

77. Unlike Rethugs or the UK's David Cameron, who used to parade with 'Hang Mandela' signs

Opposition to Apartheid is one of the policies that, at the time, most distinguished Democrats and other centrist/left-wing parties around the world from their right-wing counterparts.

Joe's a good man through and through, and while not my first choice, I'd be proud to vote for him.

[cwydro]

88. Oh for crying out loud.

I’ve been “held up” at an airport before too.

I never have thought I was “arrested.”

[jberryhill]

110. It was an embellishment that got out of hand

It happens. Like Clinton under sniper fire, or his embellishments to the circumstances of his first wife's car crash, these things get out of hand once in a while.

It happens.

Admitting someone is human is a lot easier than....

[jberryhill]

91. You do realize this is entirely circular

All the OP demonstrates is that Biden appears to have started saying this after Mandela died.

[BusyBeingBest]

93. According to the WaPo article, Joe said Mandela personally thanked him for getting arrested--

I guess we can't fact check that one now, but it's implausible at best.

[jberryhill]

94. Yeah, I saw that

This episode is like the time that he repeatedly forgot that the driver of the truck that his first wife pulled out in front of, was not intoxicated. The driver's family has had to remind him of that on occasion.

[Gothmog]

92. Thank you for posting this

[oasis]

104. Another reason why Biden's the One.