I've been thinking all day about the word "lying."

[LAS14]

When I'm on a jury, I usually end up not convicting. I have a high tolerance for lively conversation. Of course we have to criticize some candidates to make a distinction between them.

But remember how many months it took before MSM was willing to use the word "lie" in reference to Trump? Who clearly was lying over and over. In other words, "lying" is loaded. It goes straight to motive.

So I don't think it's OK to say things like "Bernie is lying about the real cost of M4A." You can say "The facts don't support Bernie's idea about the cost of M4A." Or "Bernie is wrong about the cost of M4A." But to say Bernie is lying shuts down conversation and play right into the hands of Russia (and China? and???).

How many of you agree with me?

tia
las

[PufPuf23]

1. I agree with you. nt

[blm]

2. I hear ya

[Just_Vote_Dem]

3. Most MSM still won't admit Trump is lying

Even though he's only been caught at it about 15,000 times

[Apollo Zeus]

4. Almost anything would be cheaper than the system we have

Just allowing, for example, the re-importation of medicine from Canada and other countries would significantly lower the cost of those live-saving medicines in the US. Eliminating insurance takes cost down another 20%.

To say someone is lying about the potential for cost savings when the equation is very easy for anyone to understand is over-reach.

But when some go beyond that to claim that 'people love their monthly private insurance premiums and high deductibles' makes the speaker seem very out of touch.

[pansypoo53219]

5. the MEdia is also not alking about tumps UNFUNDED ax cus to the RICH.

still sucking reagan's dead balls.

[dansolo]

6. It goes straight to motive

I believe that Bernie knows the difference between the increase in governmeng spending (i.e the amount of additional revenue needed) and the total necessary spending to cover everything. Yet everytime I hear him being interviewed, he always goes on about the "cost" of his plan being only $30 trillion. That is factually incorrect. I'm not talking about whether his costs estimates are accurate (for the record,I think he is wildly underestimating what the costs will be) and for the sake of this point, I'll even stipulate that his number are correct. What I am complaining about is far more insidious. Bernie has been repeatedly claiming that the cost increase is actually the total cost. That is a lie.