AOC: Bloomberg did not "cut back" stop and frisk

[melman]

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[Hoyt]

1. Is Mayor Nutter considered a right winger? He seems to think Bloomberg was a good Mayor.

[melman]

2. How is that relevant here?

[Hoyt]

3. AOC doesn't like Bloomberg. Seems relevant to me.

[melman]

4. Is what she's saying untrue?

No. Absolutely not.

[Hoyt]

5. If you read pointing at, and mouthing, each word, I suppose so. But ask Rep Lucy McBath, whose son

was killed by gun, and members of Moms Against Guns, what they think of efforts to get guns out of neighborhoods and off streets.

[melman]

6. What are you even talking about?

What she says in the tweet is 100% true and it's backed up in the links. Try clicking them and you'll see.

[Blue_true]

9. AOC is trying to make Bernie's many votes against effective gun control look better. nt

[melman]

10. Is what she's saying untrue?

No. Absolutely not.

[Blue_true]

15. She can frame it any way she wants to. The fact is guns were flooding into NYC and

a lot of those guns were being used in crimes and murders.

How would you get guns off the streets when the people that have them have no intention of willingly giving them up? It is one thing to sit on a sofa and philosophize about the problem, an entirely different ballgame to be a big city mayor where guns were being used in crimes and murders.

[George II]

22. In a word, yes.

[melman]

25. It's not

How about looking at the NYT links. They back up what she's saying.

[Blue_true]

8. Yes. A big city mayor who dealt with the very same problems thinks Bloomberg did a

good job. That is very relevant.

[melman]

12. No it's not

What she says in the tweet is 100% true. That is the issue here.

[Blue_true]

16. I will take Nutter's opinion over yours. Thanks anyway. nt

[melman]

20. I didn't offer an opinion

I stated a fact.

[George II]

24. It's false. THAT is the issue here.

[Blue_true]

7. Bloomberg did try to modify it, but keep the basic framework.

Honestly, his city was a magnet for guns and those guns were used in crimes. Can you give a policy that got guns off the streets? People intent on crimes were not going to sell guns back to the city.

[Amishman]

14. He exploded it from from 97,296 stops in 2002 to its 685,724 in 2013.

It only tapered off after that once NY CLU started kicking their butts and Bloomberg left office

9 in 10 of those whose rights were violated were innocent

https://www.nyclu.org/en/stop-and-frisk-data

[PufPuf23]

11. I am blown away that as many folks at DU support Bloomberg. nt

[melman]

13. Yeah

Me too.

[BeckyDem]

17. Arguments About Bloomberg's "Electability" Overlook His Racism and Misogyny

Marjorie Cohn,

Truthout

February 25, 2020

As billionaire Michael Bloomberg endeavors to buy his way to the presidency, some pundits continue to speculate that he has the best chance of defeating Donald Trump, even after his abysmal debate performance in Nevada. Bloomberg’s campaign says Bernie Sanders is the only candidate standing in the way of Bloomberg winning the nomination and beating Trump.

Bloomberg plans to mount a “multipronged attack” on Sanders in the lead-up to Super Tuesday. It will be a “media onslaught” with expensive digital attack ads and may feature opposition research, the use of surrogates on TV and op-eds attacking Sanders.

Politico reports that Bloomberg is lobbying the Democratic establishment and “donors allied with his moderate opponents [such as Joe Biden] to flip their allegiance to him – and block Bernie Sanders” if the Democratic nomination goes to a brokered convention in July.

https://truthout.org/articles/arguments-about-bloombergs-electability-overlook-his-racism-and-misogyny/?utm_campaign=Truthout+Share+Buttons

[George II]

18. Yes he did. How would she know, she and her family were living in Yorktown Heights....

....when Bloomberg was mayor.

[melman]

19. Where were you living?

[George II]

21. I haven't made any phony claims about the Mayor of New York City. Where were you living?

[melman]

23. When Bloomberg was mayor?

Boston, Austin and Connecticut at various times. And I still know what was going on in NYC.


But how about you? Were you living in New York City? According to you that's the only way to know what's going on there.

[George II]

26. "According to you that's the only way to know what's going on there." Where did you get that?

[melman]

27. From your post

This one here https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=583872