*****DEBATE THREAD #4*****

[MustLoveBeagles]

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[Politicub]

1. Biden's $50 billion investment in the NIH

to study cancer, obesity, Alzheimers and diabetes would be money well spent. I wish it had gotten more attention.

[Aviation Pro]

2. Well said Mayor Bloomberg

Obesity is a national health care crisis and having a fat ass in the WH is not helping.

[JudyM]

9. Lol

[pandr32]

34. So true

[highplainsdem]

40. It adds significantly to our health care costs. And Trump definitely can't lead by example here

the way Michelle and Barack Obama could.

[Tweedy]

48. The nanny Mayor

May be right about what we should eat, but the GOP would be ecstatic to run against the man who taxed soda pop.

And there is this--

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/politics/michael-bloomberg-women/

There was a witness

[Aviation Pro]

121. Keep on hanging onto that trope

Warren also. Bloomberg made a salient point and you call it nannying.

This is why ‘Master Planner’ Liz has turned me off.

[Tweedy]

138. This and "throw them up against the wall"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/politics/michael-bloomberg-women/


And his financial subscription service which gives the already well heeled a leg up in the market against the rest of us

Are the reasons Mayor Bloomberg lost me.

[Retrograde]

157. And implied he was responsible for smoking bans

in restaurants and public places. Yeah, New York eventually passed those laws - long after other states (*cough* California for one) did.

Bloomberg is striking me as as big an egotist as Trump.

[eilen]

3. Amy's been getting a lot of good questions. nt

[question everything]

17. And the only one who gets specific

[Tweedy]

51. Elizabeth Warren lives for specifics

You have noticed ?

[question everything]

147. She is all over the place that you cannot get what she says

For a former professor she needs to know where to finish. Sentence.

[Tweedy]

150. Ok

I find her refreshing, effective and generally more knowledgeable than most.

[LizBeth]

156. Right

[Renew Deal]

4. Bloomberg supports decriminalization of marijuana

Though he is skeptical.

[JudyM]

14. As someone who's done quite a bit of reading about it in science journals, I can say that he hasn't

looked into it except superficially, based on his answer.

[Kablooie]

39. Seems that if there is solid science but he is unaware of it,

once he learns of it it will inform his opinion.
He simply said the legalization decisions should be backed by science.

[JudyM]

55. Yes but he's running for POTUS and it's one of the issues on the table. He should know something

beyond just that he’d look at the science.

[Tweedy]

59. They are

Colorado has already developed an epilepsy drug.

[Renew Deal]

5. Can the federal controlled substances act be changed without congress?

Sanders says he will change it on "Day 1"

[cannabis_flower]

18. What is the federal control justice act?

Are you talking about the Controlled Substances Act?

[Renew Deal]

22. Yes, lost a word

[lapucelle]

46. It involves international drug trafficking prevention treaties to which the US is a party,

and there are federal enabling statutes.

[Tweedy]

72. The drug scheduling can be changed

Right now, marijuana is considered medically ineffective, more restricted than heroin. It is true, absurdly.

[lapucelle]

110. There are scheduling requirements in the treaty.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2014/10/16/marijuana-legalization-poses-a-dilemma-for-international-drug-treaties/

https://www.unodc.org/pdf/convention_1961_en.pdf

https://www.tni.org/files/publication-downloads/regime_change.pdf

[Tweedy]

131. That require we find marijuana as ineffectual?

Will have to check your links. It has been years since I had anything to do with food & drug administration law. Yet, i would think I would have heard, or read, if it changed.

Our law says a dangerous drug that is effective (heroin) is schedule 2 & can be prescribed (supposed to be controlled conditions)

A drug like marijuana, considered ineffective and dangerous is schedule 3.

That scheduling can be changed with a finding marijuana is efficacious treating an a condition or disease. Marijuana is proven to be effective against epilepsy.

[lapucelle]

153. I agree with you. The treaty is a mess and needs to be modernized.

There was supposed to be debate on the treaty last year, but the question was postponed.

Some legal scholars have argued that the best approach is to legalize state by state and find a mechanism that would more or less force the legalization in any reluctant state.

That's how we got a national drinking age. Because one of the stated purposes of raising the age was to reduce DWI accidents and deaths, states that signaled a refusal to comply with the change were threatened with a loss of federal funds for interstate highways.

[Tweedy]

158. That I remember

To date myself, everyone could drink beer but me (grandfathered 18 up in my state) until I was 21. The drinking age change irked me; yet, it was the right thing to do.

Also remember how the tax law changed. Folks under a certain age did not used to pay income tax unless the kid made a boatload. It was a start in life, until it wasn't. This change was not the right thing to do.

[lapucelle]

130. When Canada legalized pot, it was held to be in contravention of the treaty.

https://news.un.org/en/audio/2018/10/1023212

[Tweedy]

62. Yes

[Evergreen Emerald]

6. Biden has got to stop making lists

He has said, "And third," several times in a row.

[Renew Deal]

7. Halftime!

[Renew Deal]

8. Why is legal weed a day 1 item for Sanders?

It seems like his priorities are screwed up.

[BootinUp]

10. lol.

[LaurenOlimina]

13. His demo is young. It polls well.

[drray23]

15. It's a good strategy..

If everybody is high, it will be easier for him to get his proposals passed 😁

[Renew Deal]

16. lol

[peggysue2]

25. Too funny, drray23

And not that far from the truth!

[MustLoveBeagles]

28. LOL

[PatSeg]

29. Oh my god

I had a flashback to the 1960s movie "Wild in the Streets"!!!

[womanofthehills]

33. It's a day 1 item because most of the people in jail for weed are black -

Bernie's priorities are not mixed up - he is fixing a racist problem.

[LisaM]

61. It's a huge problem in the prisons, we can all agree on that.

But we have it legalized here in Washington (I voted for it and would vote for it again), but there are so many unanticipated consequences that I don't think it's the kind of law you just snap your fingers and change. Maybe commuting some sentences for minor infractions is the starting point.

[Tweedy]

88. Changing the FDA drug scheduling isn't federal legalization

Except that the change would allow prescriptions.

Right now, marijuana is considered under our drug schedules a worse drug than heroin.

[Renew Deal]

11. Anti-M4A ad on during the break

Presented as a tax hike. We need to do better to explain what it is and how it will work.

[tishaLA]

12. The disparity in speaking time is outrageous

VP Biden and Sen Klobuchar are getting screwed by these moderators

[Renew Deal]

19. I'd like to see the numbers

Steyer has to be at the bottom of the list. Warren is likely at the top.

[Evergreen Emerald]

20. I thought the same thing.

[question everything]

24. Notice this too

[apcalc]

31. The moderators suck....they want it be " entertainment".

We need depth.....

[irisblue]

54. Speaking Time, NPR, 9:22 PM

9:22 p.m. ET Feb. 25, 2020
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So Far, Warren Commands The Most Talking Time
Halfway through the debate, Warren has gotten in more words than her six rivals.

According to an NPR analysis of speaking time, Warren has spoken for 8 minutes and 15 seconds.

Bloomberg is right behind Warren. Speaking the least is Steyer, who has spoken for 3 minutes and 41 seconds.

[LizBeth]

64. First time a woman has gotten even near the top. I am glad she is taking her time. Thanks.

[LaurenOlimina]

21. Does anyone else think of Devin Nunes every time that Experian commercial runs?

[Tweedy]

95. Am tantalized. Why?

[LaurenOlimina]

117. The ad has a cow.

[Tweedy]

140. 🤣

[JudyM]

23. Another Bloomberg ad in VA.

[Renew Deal]

26. Foreign Policy question to Warren.

She said prior to the debate that she wants to bring all combat troops back from the ME.

How does that improve America's security?

[Rver]

27. What a

cluster fuck... terrible moderators, talking over each other and too long. How many have shut it off?

[JudyM]

36. Cringeworthy.

[Renew Deal]

30. Bloomberg wants to pull back "as much as you can" from the middle east

But it doesn't sounds like much.

Talking about a "dangerous world."

[rwheeler31]

32. Pete is great on military question.

[eilen]

35. Moving combat troops out...

Do any of the candidates have a plan that does not involve what Trump is doing? such as... surrendering to the Taliban?

[Renew Deal]

37. Question to Klobuchar about closing the borders over the coronavirus

She dodged and didn't answer.

[Mersky]

60. Was a terrible question

[Tweedy]

38. Your moniker is awesome

Thank you for doing this!

[MustLoveBeagles]

50. You're welcome

and thanks

[earthside]

41. Horrible debate format.

Designed to provide a shouting match.

75 seconds is not enough time to give a complete answer to these questions.

I don't blame the candidates, I blame CBS and the DNC for this poorly formatted debate.

[Renew Deal]

42. Question to Biden about Coronavirus.

He says that him and Obama prevented Ebola from getting to the US. I don't think that's fully accurate.

[Tweedy]

111. Really? We certainly stopped the outbreak

And then the unindicted co-conspirator we have now fired the epidemic response coordinator, because Obama

[emmaverybo]

125. Big big help in containment was sending our military in to deliver humanitarian aid to villagers who

otherwise had to break quarantines to get supplies, bury bodies, help with education outreach—this was a controversial program. Yes, Obama helped contain the epidemic there and stop its spread. They needed lots of personnel they just did not have much organization and medical infrastructure.

Up to US intervention, West African civilians had been valiantly doing a huge part burying bodies, disinfecting, outreach to villages and cities. And of course Doctors Without Borders, but WHO finding had been cut, and many people in charge were appointees, not professionals.

Did he exaggerate? I think the military intervening was a turning point, but certainly there were other factors.

[itsrobert]

128. Maybe he meant him and Bill Clinton

I was in Uganda helping with refugee relief in 1994 from Rwanda.

[evertonfc]

43. This debate changes nothing

Bernie hasn't been hurt. When you have a strong front-runner, you have to make an argument he unelectable. These debates on policy are to mundane and to late. SC will be close but Bernie is still clear leader, Bloomberg stays in and Biden survives. The others stand zero chance. Zero. They will be out before or on March 4

[Renew Deal]

44. Biden going to demand China let us in to check on Coronavirus

OK

[rwheeler31]

45. Great Joe is telling what they did on Ebola

great answer.

[Renew Deal]

49. Except it wasn't accurate

Ebola cases made it to the US.

[emmaverybo]

144. Not once we intervened I don't think.

[LaurenOlimina]

47. That answer could win Biden some votes depending on how scared people get.

[SKKY]

52. Biden came to hand out some beat downs tonight...

....hopefully, it isn’t too little too late.

[evertonfc]

66. These guys needed to hammer Sanders

on electability. They haven't

[LizBeth]

77. We hear a little at the start but then not much since.

[Renew Deal]

53. Biden just called Xi of China a "thug"

[Bonobo]

56. Jeezus, Biden sounds like a fucking warhawk.

[LaurenOlimina]

57. Biden's best debate yet.

[Renew Deal]

58. Question about allowing China to build critical infrastructure

Warren attacks Bloomberg about taxes. Does she do anything other than attack?

[LizBeth]

71. I heard she does really well with specifics, her education comments out of the park and

good at explaining things.

[rwheeler31]

63. Give it up on Bloomberg Liz, it is not working.

[Renew Deal]

65. Steyer is competent when he gets to speak.

[Bonobo]

68. Agreed. He sounds presidential and calm

Unlike Biden.

[TomCADem]

67. So, Bernie Voted For Gun Maker Immunity Because Biden Voted for Iraq War?

That makes no sense. Bernie wanted people to die from gun violence, because he was mad about the Iraq vote?

[Renew Deal]

69. Question to Sanders about a democratic socialist president "giving authoritarians a free pass."

[nolabear]

70. Uh-oh. The Cuba question. And a spin and deflect.

He’d better be careful.

[Renew Deal]

73. Biden is better when he defends Obama than when he defends himself.

[helpisontheway]

78. Maybe that is why he was a good go. Nt

[highplainsdem]

74. Biden just took Sanders apart on the Cuba question.

[riversedge]

75. Amy Klobuchar issues a warning to the Democratic party: "If we spend the next four months tearing ou

Amy Klobuchar issues a warning to the Democratic party: "If we spend the next four months tearing our party apart, we're going to watch Donald Trump spend the next four years tearing our country apart." #DemDebate https://cbsn.ws/32oFxLd

Link to tweet

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[apcalc]

82. She's right. I really like her.

[LizBeth]

87. True that.

[mzmolly]

97. Running for VP?

[MontanaMama]

152. +1

Go Amy.

[ecstatic]

76. Yes, really, Bernie. You're getting booed. SMH nt

[LizBeth]

89. Lol, is he? Not watching. Counting on these threads.

[ecstatic]

154. Yeah. The crowd booed him and he turned to the audience shouting,

"Really? Really??"

Yes. Really.

[LizBeth]

155. Wow, out of everything tonight, that one surprises me most. How silly of him.

[tishaLA]

79. VP Biden could have nailed the junior senator from VT

on the Castro comments, but he let him off the hook. Too bad.

[BootinUp]

80. Bernie under serious attack now.

[Evergreen Emerald]

81. Go Pete!

[dalton99a]

98. He couldn't even get in a word edgewise

Bernie is talking over everyone

[itsrobert]

133. And mods letting him do it

But Bernie is hanging himself.

[LizBeth]

143. Good.

[Renew Deal]

83. Buttigieg is making electability arguments again

[LizBeth]

96. This needs to be heard a lot. I am concerned about down tickets. Even if Democrats separate

themselves from Sanders, the voters won't.

[ecstatic]

84. It really pisses me off that Bernie is trying to drag Pres Obama

under the bus with lies about him praising Cuba.

[nolabear]

91. Me too.

[TwilightZone]

119. At least we know where the talking points came from now.

There were a flood of "Obama did the same thing" threads and posts on DU yesterday and today.

[highplainsdem]

85. Bermie isn't coming across at all well.

[BlueIdaho]

100. Bad night for Bernie... nt.

[tishaLA]

86. One candidate thinks that louder makes you more correct.

[PatSeg]

92. And one candidate should watch his blood pressure

[rwheeler31]

90. Bernie cannot defend the Cuba statement.

[Sugarcoated]

93. Tom Steyer is sounding smart

[Renew Deal]

94. "Hey Amy". Sanders talking about how popular he is

[spooky3]

107. He's wrong per one poll. Her net favorability ratings were higher than his. nt

[spooky3]

114. talking time here (Steyer getting the least, Sanders the most):

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/02/25/us/elections/debate-speaking-time.html

[Renew Deal]

99. Q to Biden about intereference in 2020 election and whether he would launch "retaliatory cyberattack

[LiberalFighter]

101. The more I hear Bernie...

the less I like.

[dem4decades]

108. Middle America loves him, right?

[LiberalFighter]

149. Did a review of contributions in my area - I'm sure I am in middle America.

and not that many gave to him. Didn't recognize any of the names. Even found one that gave quite a few small donations all on the same day. Very strange.

[Mountain Mule]

102. This is one of the worst debates yet

Moderation by CBSN sucks.

[Democrats Ascendant]

105. I concur

[LaurenOlimina]

103. Yes, retaliate.

Destroy their plutocrat's wealth.

[rwheeler31]

104. Biden is on fire on interference

[Renew Deal]

106. Steyer "21st century warfare is cyberwarfare"

True!

[MustLoveBeagles]

109. I've started a new debate thread

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287582877

[Renew Deal]

112. Steyer is having a good night. Don't know if voters will be moved by it.

[mysteryowl]

113. Steyer is having a good night

[Bonobo]

115. I like Steyer increasingly.

[elleng]

132. Yes

[SKKY]

116. This is the Biden we've needed all along...

...I’m glad he finally showed up.

[Renew Deal]

118. Question to Sanders "Would you move the American embassy back to Tel Aviv"? No answer

[Bonobo]

123. He said he would consider it. Such a question cannot be answered carelessly!

Imagine the results!!

It would be utter carelessness to make a statement to that effect when not even POTUS.

[Renew Deal]

120. Bloomberg does not have the skill to speak through the moderator

People think he's getting softballs, but his style is slow and non-aggressive most of the time.

[Renew Deal]

122. Warren not answering the question about moving the embassy in Israel

[JudyM]

126. Bloomberg answered it both ways, did you notice? Weird.

[Bonobo]

127. No one should answer such a question! Consider the diplomacy! nt

[JudyM]

129. Yep.

[denem]

135. Warren answered it exactly.

[Renew Deal]

124. Klobuchar would meet with Kim Jong Un

"But not the same way" as Trump. Won't bring him a "hot dish"

[melman]

134. What the hell is he talking about?

[Renew Deal]

136. Buttigieg wants to change balance of power in "the region" of Syria.

[Renew Deal]

137. Buttigieg answer about Syria turns into an answer about eliminating private insurance

And ties it to foreign policy with call out to Denmark for not eliminating it.

[riversedge]

139. Joe Biden and Pete Buttigieg try to make the case that Bernie Sanders being the nominee would hurt D

Joe Biden and Pete Buttigieg try to make the case that Bernie Sanders being the nominee would hurt Democrats running for Congress https://cnn.it/396x028 #DemDebate

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[LizBeth]

146. Down ticket Dems are afraid.

[Renew Deal]

141. Quick. Get the chicken nuggets

End of the 3rd quarter.

[Renew Deal]

142. New thread

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287582877

[riversedge]

145. "You cannot ignore the suffering of the Palestinian people. We have got to have a policy that reach

"You cannot ignore the suffering of the Palestinian people. We have got to have a policy that reaches out to the Palestinians" @BernieSanders
#DemDebate

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[elleng]

148. Yes

[emmaverybo]

151. Here he is incredibly brave. It is an absolute no no to challenge Israel right wing and to

sympathize with Palestinians.