Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumI'm kinda drifting towards Bloomberg.
I really like Pete but I think Trump will use every gay stereotype he can think of to attack him over and over and over.
I'd like him to run again in a few years when his opponent won't be Trump. He's certainly young enough to give it another shot in the future.
Biden's experience is extensive and his views are good but I just don't feel the energy he had years ago. I thought he would be the best but after seeing the debates I just am not sure he would stand up well to Trump's low blow character assassinations. You need someone who's willing to hit back hard and not just defend themselves as I expect Biden would do.
I like the essence of what Bernie and Elizabeth both say but they seem too focussed on particular issues. If they don't accomplish their particular goals there's not a lot more they are offering. They don't seem flexible. I also think one of the biggest issues will be to restore a functioning government. After Trump's decimation it's going to be a skeleton that will take time to grow back to health and other issues will have to take a back seat until then.
Amy seems too wonkish, not a rough and tumble fighter. She wouldn't stand up well to the mountain of bluster that would land on her.
Bloomberg isn't dynamic but seems pragmatic and logical. Some of his past issues bother me but I expect him to have learned from them and to try to make up for them in the future.
He has donated his money over the years to very good causes which demonstrate honest, liberal views. Also his New York Mayor managerial experience is worthwhile.
One big plus is his money for political ads. He will be able to match the Republicans and not be beholden to any other powers to do it. Also most of the things Trump could attack him on, Bloomberg could attack Trump right back. They are similar in a lot of ways except that Bloomberg is an adult who uses intelligence, logic and has experience.
In a normal election I don't think he would be my choice but in this campaign, against this monster, I think Bloomberg would hold up better than the others. I'm sure he will be attacking Trump personally and not just defending his own past and that's going to be essential.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ALBliberal
(2,339 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BusyBeingBest
(8,052 posts)I already voted so I'm just waiting for how things work out. I think on DU people are very primed to hate him, but I don't think the rest of the voting public automatically hates billionaires. I mean, we have a pseudo-billionaire for pResident now. He's a really, really smart, hard working and accomplished person, and he is calm and reasoned. That would be a good match against Donnie the Clown. He also has good proposals.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
StevieM
(10,500 posts)And Bloomberg supported him for re-election.
I am not OK with that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Kablooie
(18,628 posts)And I think Bloomberg has the best chance.
Also his Republican background would draw some Republicans to vote for him too.
If we go with who we think is the best candidate and they lose we may never have a chance to vote for a good candidate again because the country will become a one party, totalitarian state at the end of another 4 years.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Happyhippychick
(8,379 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Jacquain Castro would fit the bill well, he is pretty good foreign policy creds.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Squinch
(50,949 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Abrams make people happy as a potential choice, but I believe that she and Gillum would be totally bad choices for number 2. Susan Rice or a female Hispanic member of Congress that had a good national profile would be far better choices.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
blm
(113,047 posts)......
Warren is the only Democrat running for president who has built, or directly managed, a federal agency. That gives her a form of experience that is unique in the Democratic field but central to the work of the president. As my colleague Emily Stewart wrote in her excellent retrospective on Warrens work setting up the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, the real action in any administration is executive in nature: knowing what regulatory buttons to push, which enforcers can really go for blood, who to put where, and how to manage them. And Warren does.
Campaigning in the age of television frames the presidency as a communications job, which, sometimes, it is. But those powers are overstated: Presidents are rarely able to dramatically change public opinion, and their interventions are as likely to hurt legislative efforts as help. By contrast, campaigns understate both the power and the difficulty of leading the worlds most powerful and consequential bureaucracy, and the next president will face a particularly hard version of that job, as Donald Trump has driven out a tremendous amount of civil service talent and demoralized many of those who remain.
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kablooie
(18,628 posts)I think she would be my second choice but I still feel Bloomberg has the best chance against the landslide of shit that will land on them.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
blm
(113,047 posts)getting the government back running the way it needs to after Trumps dismantling of it. Your dismissal of Warrens ability to do that isnt just wrong, its completely, indisputably wrong. She is actually the best equipped to rebuild it.
As far as facing Trump, she morphs into an assassin when confronting corruption - and Trump is as corrupt as it gets.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kablooie
(18,628 posts)I'm not confident that Bernie would. That statement was more about him than Elizabeth.
Elizabeth may make a better president but unfortunately I still feel, so far, that Bloomberg, in spite of his disturbing faults, would have the best chance against Trump and that's the only thing that matters.
If we don't win, we lose everything.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
blm
(113,047 posts)Did you read Kleins article? Your comments dont indicate that you know much about Warren.
And, as far as facing Trump, I see the assassin side of her in full mode. One on one shed twist Trump into a pretzel.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
thesquanderer
(11,986 posts)Which is why it makes sense that, according to morningconsult, the leading second choice for Warren supporters is Sanders, and the leading second choice for Sanders is Warren.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
JudyM
(29,233 posts)I think she should be VP and orchestrate all the different parts of that.
Whatever happens, I hope she has a large hand in getting things back together in our democracy.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
rainy
(6,091 posts)Its time for a woman to lead. The future belongs to women to shape and mold into a better world.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kablooie
(18,628 posts)If Bloomberg won it would be years of another male president but there would still be an opportunity in the future for a woman.
But if a woman ran and lost to Trump, there may never be another chance for a woman to run in our lifetimes because right wing extremists would have made a successful coup of our government.
I have to go with who I think is the best to beat Trump, not who would be the best president.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
stopbush
(24,396 posts)I agree with your analysis.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
blue neen
(12,319 posts)I think he showed that tonight.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
HarlanPepper
(2,042 posts)But obviously theres nothing more subjective than picking a candidate.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Midwestern Democrat
(806 posts)seen who's polling in the primary wasn't negligible - honestly, in terms of charisma, he makes Michael Dukakis look like Bill Clinton in his prime.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
thesquanderer
(11,986 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Awsi Dooger
(14,565 posts)I held my Florida ballot blank until tonight. Tomorrow I am filling it out and checking the Bloomberg box.
All things being equal I would vote for Klobuchar. Unlike far too many in our party I don't have an idiotic appraisal of the electorate. Males have teflon and especially rich powerful males. This is an incredibly daunting task against an incumbent. We need to throw out our stupid whining about statements and policies past and project to how voters think in a general election.
If we put Sanders out there the question, "Is he too liberal for your state?" will have affirmative rates in the 40-45% range. With Bloomberg it will be normal territory for a Democrat, low 30s. Heck, in the New Hampshire exit poll you had half of respondents saying Sanders was too liberal. And this was in a Democratic primary.
Besides, Bloomberg had an excellent debate.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BusyBeingBest
(8,052 posts)husband on Bloomberg. It was a last minute decision, was a little on the fence about it--but I just felt she wasn't going to get past Super Tuesday, as much as I think she's a solid choice.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MoonlitKnight
(1,584 posts)A lot is going to happen in the next week. You have plenty of time before that ballot needs to be mailed.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
womanofthehills
(8,700 posts)https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/26/us/politics/michael-bloomberg-republicans-donations.html
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)But he was able to fight it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
denem
(11,045 posts)For better or worse, there are many berners who simply will not vote for poster child of 'the billionaire class'.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Squinch
(50,949 posts)but he was running such a dud of a campaign. Last night gave me hope for him, though.
I'm good with Bloomberg because I think he would win
I know that is not pure of me but I don't care.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(92,162 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)and indies and high voter turnout. Either one is a win for us. Keep the HOuse. Take the senate and White House and increase our govships and control over state houses.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(92,162 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(92,162 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Biden is not without flaws but he's Bloomberg without the racial and sexist baggage. A broad swath of Democrats will never accept an interloper with Bloomberg's baggage. That's an empirical observation and not a normative one.
Imagine a Biden candidacy supplemented by Bloomberg's billions in anti-Trump ads.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden