Democratic Primaries
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The first problem is that the list of Sanders proposed spending increases is incomplete. Sanders has proposed costly plans for K-12 education, expanding disability insurance, paid family leave, and more that were not accounted for in the new document. He also grossly understates the cost of his Medicare for All plan by citing a flawed analysis that neglected to incorporate the costs of specific benefits Sanders proposes, such as universal coverage for long-term services and supports, and failed to account for how offering universal health-care benefits more generous than those offered by any other country on earth would increase utilization of health services.
Sanders and his surrogates regularly claim that critics are wrong to focus on how much Medicare for All increases government costs because it would reduce the total cost of health care. But independent analyses from the Urban Institute and Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget have concluded that even with the aggressive price controls he has proposed, Sanders Medicare-for-All framework would actually increase national health expenditures by up to $7 trillion. Sanders himself also admitted in a 60 minutes interview this weekend that his Medicare-for-All plan would likely cost around $30 trillion, yet the list of options Sanders has offered to pay for them (options which, it should be noted, he has never explicitly endorsed enacting together) would together cover less than 60 percent of that amount by the Sanders campaigns own accounting.
In January, the Progressive Policy Institute published comprehensive cost estimates of the proposals offered by each of the leading candidates for president before the Iowa Caucus. After incorporating new proposals that Sanders has released since the publication of our analysis and minor methodological updates, PPI concludes that Sanders has now proposed over $53 trillion of new spending over the next 10 years an amount that would roughly double the size of the federal government. Our estimate is, if anything, overly charitable to Sanders, as it accepts most of the Sanders campaigns cost estimates outside of Medicare for All and assumes significant overlap in the costs of his proposed federal jobs guarantee and other spending proposals. Other analysts have estimated the total costs of Sanders proposals could be anywhere between $60 trillion and $100 trillion over 10 years. ,,,,
Sanders proposed pay-fors dont even come close to covering these costs. The document Sanders published last night, along with others released earlier in his campaign, claim to collectively raise less than $43 trillion in new revenue meaning that hes at least $10 trillion short. But the revenue projections Sanders uses for his tax proposals are well outside the mainstream of what independent analysts at the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, Congressional Budget Office, Tax Policy Center, Penn Wharton Budget Model, and others have estimated. After reconciling Sanders latest list of pay-fors with these independent estimates, PPI concludes that even if Congress were to adopt every single revenue option Sanders has offered for consideration, it would fall almost $25 trillion short of his proposed spending increases over the next decade leaving a gap nearly equal to the total value of all goods and services produced by the U.S. economy in one year.
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squirecam
(2,706 posts)Bernies plans still fall short in that department.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dalton99a
(81,451 posts)It's all good
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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NCProgressive
(1,315 posts)The real deficit is probably around $75 trillion
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Laelth
(32,017 posts)You make a good point. They never told us that it would cost $13 trillion to kill a bunch of Iraqis, but we paid for it anyway. If we can spend $13 trillion killing Iraqis, we can spend whatever it takes to insure that all Americans have access to health care.
-Laelth
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squirecam
(2,706 posts)Nt
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Laelth
(32,017 posts)I think they should.
Cost be damned. The American people deserve universal, taxpayer-funded health care.
The UK has it. Canada has it. Australia has it. New Zealand has it, and we're richer than all of those countries. Why can't we have it?
Barack Obama didn't win with the slogan, "No, we can't." He won by telling the American people, "Yes. We can," and we had better offer the American people what they want, or our party will suffer the consequences.
-Laelth
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squirecam
(2,706 posts)The responsible parent. Repubs are the other one.
I like the responsible parent. Sure, both parents could just let you do whatever you wanted. But that doesnt make for a health child.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Laelth
(32,017 posts)Are we going to listen to them?
They're just happy that some politician is willing to fight for what they think they deserve ... cost be damned. At this point, it's looking like Bernie will waltz into the convention with an actual majority of pledged delegates.
What are we going to do then?
-Laelth
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Meowmee
(5,164 posts)is pretty crazy and unbelievable
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Moderateguy
(945 posts)The republicans are going to do it in the general anyways
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided