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Wed Feb 26, 2020, 10:49 AM

 

Just a reminder for everyone that can't get over the Castro "scandal"


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Reply Just a reminder for everyone that can't get over the Castro "scandal" (Original post)
OliverQ Feb 2020 OP
TwilightZone Feb 2020 #1
underthematrix Feb 2020 #2
OliverQ Feb 2020 #4
underthematrix Feb 2020 #5
Name removed Feb 2020 #11
Gothmog Feb 2020 #3
NurseJackie Feb 2020 #12
DanTex Feb 2020 #6
David__77 Feb 2020 #8
Gothmog Feb 2020 #10
NurseJackie Feb 2020 #13
Autumn Feb 2020 #7
Gothmog Feb 2020 #9
NurseJackie Feb 2020 #15
ecstatic Feb 2020 #14
gollygee Feb 2020 #16
Gothmog Mar 2020 #17

Response to OliverQ (Original post)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 10:50 AM

1. Context is still a thing.

 

Not that anyone pays attention to it much anymore.
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Response to OliverQ (Original post)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 10:52 AM

2. Bernie, this is who you are.

 


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Response to underthematrix (Reply #2)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 10:53 AM

4. I disagree with her going on RT

 

but that video is from 2016. Ed Schultz died 2 years ago.
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Response to OliverQ (Reply #4)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 10:54 AM

5. This is consistent with the Mueller Report regarding the

 

2016 election. I rest my case.
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Response to OliverQ (Original post)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 10:52 AM

3. No, Bernie Sanders' Discussion of Cuba's Castro is Nothing Like Obama's

 




Eric Levitz in New York Magazine on Monday makes the case that Bernie Sanders’ 1985 interview admiring some aspects of Fidel Castro’s regime in Cuba was roughly the same as Barack Obama’s 2016 discussion of Castro. This is in large part just an amplification of ideas flying around Twitter this week, as in the tweet pictured above. A quick look at Sanders’ and Obama’s statements shows why this analysis is entirely incorrect.

In 2016, Obama was addressing hundreds of young business and social entrepreneurs from across Latin America in Buenos Aires, Argentina. If you read the transcript of his talk, you see immediately that Obama, in his signature style, was reinforcing the message of pragmatism and evidence-based decision making — as he puts it “be[ing] practical and just choos[ing] from what works.” He was in fact arguing against ideology, at a time when he must have been watching the destabilizing effects the surge in ideological politics was causing not just in the United States but in other countries long considered staid and practical.

In discussing Cuba, Obama relayed direct conversations he had with the Castros, insight into the diplomacy of highlighting policy areas where there might be more agreement in order to create common ground with space to push for change in other areas. I doubt many would think it rational to approach a nascent foreign relationship with a guns blazing, take no prisoners attitude, especially when any agreement depended on the other country’s support. Obama was relaying one relatively high stakes conversation with foreign leaders to another unaligned audience in a foreign venue. I expect it does not take an expert in international relations to see the U.S. interest in pitching this information a certain way for both of these audiences.

In contrast, Bernie Sanders’ 1985 interview was not conducted for foreign consumption or to support U.S. national interests, and it did not come at a time of opening up in the U.S.-Cuba relationship. Instead, it was given for a local public access TV show. It was effectively a vanity project giving Sanders a platform to expound his views of politics and the world. Because of this, the messaging here is all Sanders. Further contrasting Obama, it was rooted in ideology, with Sanders opening, “As a socialist, the word socialism doesn’t frighten me,” before launching into his discussion of self-described socialist regimes. While you could argue the interview might not be a perfect snapshot of today’s presidential candidate’s innermost thoughts, it was a clear statement of what Sanders believed at the time and unfiltered by the degree of drafting and review Obama’s messaging on this topic would have undergone....

From this brief look, we can see that Obama’s talk involved a little flattery, a little spin, and a good deal of appealing to an audience that he saw as future leaders. In contrast, Sanders’ words were simply praise without an intentional objective towards a defined audience. Conflating these two discussions is flimsy, misleading, and indicative of the pro-regime propaganda captured in Sanders’ own sentiment.
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Response to Gothmog (Reply #3)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 08:56 PM

12. Thank you!

 

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Response to OliverQ (Original post)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 10:55 AM

6. Yup. It's hilarious watching people trying to "score a point" with this one.

 

Bernie and Obama made exactly the same point. Anyone who watches the two videos will see that. It's obvious.

And yet, they keep trying the same empty attacks. And people wonder why Bernie has shot to the top of the polls...
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Response to DanTex (Reply #6)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 10:58 AM

8. It's actually counterproductive, I think.

 

It seems to me like the entire primary has revolved around Bernie Sanders. The tactical choices made have created a certain dynamic.
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Response to DanTex (Reply #6)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 07:52 PM

10. Two things happended today including Cuba endorsing sanders

 


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Response to Gothmog (Reply #10)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 08:58 PM

13. Damn!

 

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Response to OliverQ (Original post)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 10:58 AM

7. Yeah but it didn't matter till that old commie Bernie said it.

 

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Response to OliverQ (Original post)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 03:52 PM

9. Havana gives front-page coverage to Bernie Sanders for praising Fidel Castro

 




Presidential candidate Bernie Sanders views on the Cuban revolution have earned him a storm of criticism in the U.S. But there’s one place where his comments have received glowing, front-page reviews: Cuba.

Granma, the Communist Party newspaper, prominently displayed a report about Sanders and his praise of “some of the social programs implemented by the historic leader of the Cuban Revolution Fidel Castro.”

“U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders, today one of the strongest candidates for the nomination of the Democratic Party to the November presidential elections, recognized Cuba’s role in sending doctors worldwide,” Granma said.

Read more here: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/article240626672.html#storylink=cpy
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Response to Gothmog (Reply #9)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 08:59 PM

15. As expected.

 

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Response to OliverQ (Original post)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 08:58 PM

14. Bernie should fight his own battles. He never has shown

 

much respect to Pres Obama, but now he's quoting him day and night to get out of hot water? I really don't like that trait in him. Too much like trump.
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Response to OliverQ (Original post)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 09:00 PM

16. It's about how swing state voters, like in Florida, respond. It isn't about how DU responds. nt

 

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Response to OliverQ (Original post)

Thu Mar 5, 2020, 10:25 AM

17. This makes me smile

 


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