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Wed Feb 26, 2020, 10:51 AM

 

Bernie Sanders Leads Among Democratic Voters on Who Can Best Unify the Party: Poll

https://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-leads-democratic-voters-best-candidate-unify-party-poll-1489131
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Reply Bernie Sanders Leads Among Democratic Voters on Who Can Best Unify the Party: Poll (Original post)
OliverQ Feb 2020 OP
TwilightZone Feb 2020 #1
Mad cow Feb 2020 #3
TwilightZone Feb 2020 #8
Mad cow Feb 2020 #13
TwilightZone Feb 2020 #14
Mad cow Feb 2020 #18
ehrnst Feb 2020 #25
PatSeg Feb 2020 #22
OliverQ Feb 2020 #4
still_one Feb 2020 #5
TwilightZone Feb 2020 #6
still_one Feb 2020 #12
PatSeg Feb 2020 #23
still_one Feb 2020 #26
trueblue2007 Feb 2020 #32
jalan48 Feb 2020 #2
LakeArenal Feb 2020 #7
uponit7771 Feb 2020 #9
OliverQ Feb 2020 #11
uponit7771 Feb 2020 #30
BlueTillIDie Feb 2020 #10
ehrnst Feb 2020 #15
BlueTillIDie Feb 2020 #16
ehrnst Feb 2020 #17
BlueTillIDie Feb 2020 #19
ehrnst Feb 2020 #24
BlueTillIDie Feb 2020 #27
Awsi Dooger Feb 2020 #33
Mad cow Feb 2020 #20
Laelth Feb 2020 #21
Vogon_Glory Feb 2020 #28
Nanjeanne Feb 2020 #29
Blue_Tires Feb 2020 #31

Response to OliverQ (Original post)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 10:54 AM

1. The most divisive candidate is the "unity" candidate?

 

Sure. It would seem that a lot of people either know nothing about him, aren't paying attention, or are ignoring the obvious. perhaps intentionally.

It's pretty simple, really. Someone who has hacked away at the party for decades and spends much too much time railing against some vague Democratic "establishment" can't possibly be the most-unifying candidate. Common sense would dictate that.
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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #1)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 10:59 AM

3. Or, there may be an element

 

in the electorate that doesn't see itself reflected in the Democratic "establishment" and like what Sanders is saying in that regard.
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Response to Mad cow (Reply #3)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 11:10 AM

8. That wouldn't be unifying the party.

 

Insisting that there are at least two separate factions - the "establishment" and otherwise - is, by definition, not unifying.

That's the point, actually, and part of the problem. It's one party, not us and them.
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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #8)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 11:32 AM

13. They weren't asked for your perception of unifying...

 

They were asked for their own opinion. Sometimes people who feel left behind might feel like he is bringing them into the fold, which would feel unifying. Of course, it isn't a huge percentage in this survey.
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Response to Mad cow (Reply #13)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 11:35 AM

14. Splitting the party in two is the very definition of non-unifying.

 

Any assertion to the contrary is ridiculous.
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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #14)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 11:56 AM

18. Well, then you tell that to

 

the 22% who picked him as most unifying. Arguing semantics doesn't help anyone to understand the electorate.
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Response to Mad cow (Reply #13)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 12:11 PM

25. Left behind by whom? (nt)

 

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Response to Mad cow (Reply #3)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 12:02 PM

22. We used to consider ourselves the Democratic party

 

until Bernie called some the "Democratic establishment". That was extremely divisive during a primary campaign.
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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #1)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 10:59 AM

4. But the guy who tells voters to go vote for Trump

 

or calls them lying dog faced pony soldiers is?
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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #1)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 11:01 AM

5. Pretty misleading headline. 22% of registered Democratic voters, 2 points ahead of Biden.

 

"The latest survey by Reuters and Ipsos found that a plurality (22 percent) of registered Democratic voters felt Sanders was the primary candidate most-suited to unify the party, putting him two points ahead of Joe Biden.
Independent voters put the Vermont senator and the former vice president neck-and-neck when asked who was best-placed to unify the Democratic party, with both candidates receiving 15 support on the issue.
When polling from both sets of voters was combined, Sanders polled four points ahead of Biden on the ability to unify the party, with 21 percent of Democrats and Independents saying the congressman was best-placed to bring the party together overall.

But a plurality of polled voters (22%) said they didn't know who was the best candidate on the issue of unifying the party"

In other words, it is a pretty much meaningless poll
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Response to still_one (Reply #5)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 11:05 AM

6. Agreed.

 

I didn't look at the details as I usually do. Thanks for pointing that out.
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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #6)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 11:22 AM

12. Most of us don't, including me, but I did this time

 

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Response to still_one (Reply #12)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 12:04 PM

23. Thanks

 

It sounds more like people voted according to their candidate preference, not who they really believed was more unifying.
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Response to PatSeg (Reply #23)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 12:11 PM

26. I think so

 

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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #1)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 04:15 PM

32. The most divisive candidate is the "unity" candidate? i think he would come in LAST.

 

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Response to OliverQ (Original post)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 10:56 AM

2. This bubble popping is not helpful!

 

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Response to OliverQ (Original post)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 11:06 AM

7. Frankly I don't believe it.

 

I trust no polls to begin with, as I know no one... at all... who has ever participated in any poll, including MrLake or me.

There is no way on earth, I will think of Bernie as unifying. Considering his Jill Stein supporting staff and some of theirs and his comments.

Upto and including the Democratic Establishment stuff.

That’s my opinion.
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Response to OliverQ (Original post)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 11:14 AM

9. Irrelevant, most of his swing state numbers vs Trump are lack luster at best

 

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #9)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 11:22 AM

11. Better than Bidens.

 

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Response to OliverQ (Reply #11)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 02:56 PM

30. False, currently and the last 3 months Biden has had the best swing state numbers outside of MOE

 

... and that's why Red Don has been so hard after him.
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Response to BlueTillIDie (Reply #10)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 11:47 AM

15. Actually, those who voted on economic issues voted for HRC. Those who voted for Trump did so

 

out of fear of POC, immigrants, Muslims, etc.

You're welcome.
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Response to BlueTillIDie (Reply #16)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 11:56 AM

17. I'm in a union, as well as my spouse.

 

We have a different experience than you did with our colleagues.

They felt clinton abandoned labor in favor of minorities,


That shows that cultural anxiety was greater than the economic anxiety right there. A woman and minorities were considered a threat by working class men.



now whether they are actually needed or not to win is debatable, but this was in pennsylvania.


The question is, do we throw POC under the bus to get those votes? POC, especially women, are the most reliable voting base for Democrats.

Thoughts?


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Response to BlueTillIDie (Reply #19)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 12:06 PM

24. "being pro-labor can coincide with being pro woman and pro minority."

 

Even though Hillary was pro-labor, you stated that your colleagues voted for Trump, because they thought she ignored labor in favor of minorities, and therefore being pro-labor could not" coincide with being pro woman and pro minority."

You really think a vote for Trump indicates a respect for the issues concerning women and POC - which also include labor issues?

It sounds to me like the "cultural anxiety" vote you are talking about doesn't tolerate any attention to issues specific to women and POC - even when those issues are labor related.

:eyes

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Response to BlueTillIDie (Reply #27)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 04:33 PM

33. Very interesting discussion about labor and TPP

 

The trade off, as you mentioned earlier, was how much support Sanders loses among moderate swing voters. Lots of Sanders supporters here try to claim that category no long exists, even though late swing voters decided 2016.

Both candidates were so disliked in 2016 it led to an abnormally high number of undecided. If I lead a poll 7 to 1 with 92% undecided that's a slight difference between 52 to 46 with 2% undecided. Yet the headlines will trumpet both of them the same way...6 point lead.

IMO, a socialist driving away moderates is more meaningful than anything he gains among labor or youth. But if Sanders is the nominee then many of us will hope to sit back and hope we were wrong.
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Response to BlueTillIDie (Reply #16)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 11:58 AM

20. Also, Sanders won the 2016 primary

 

in Michigan, which is consistent with your theory.
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Response to OliverQ (Original post)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 11:59 AM

21. Now, that's hilarious.

 

Bernie is definitely not the best candidate to unify our party. Far from it, but the voters, evidently, think he is.



Democratic Voters SPEAK to the Democratic Establishment

VOTERS: Look. You're marrying Princess Bernie ...



ESTABLISHMENT: But I don't like her.

VOTERS: What's wrong with her? She's young; she's beautiful; she's got a HUGE number of delegates ...



Better to laugh than to cry, no?

This is posted in good fun. Obviously, Bernie's not my first choice for our nominee.




-Laelth
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Response to OliverQ (Original post)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 12:17 PM

28. If it's a choice between President Bernie and another Republican-controlled Senate

 

or President Joe and Democrats regaining control of the US Senate, I’ll choose Joe as my candidate.*

Bernie lacks coat-tails and can cost us seats in Congress and the Senate


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* I have already voted for Joe in my state’s primary.



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Response to OliverQ (Original post)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 12:47 PM

29. Brave of you to post it - but thanks! Of course, that poll must be completely wrong and filled with

 

Republicans responding!!!!!!
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Response to OliverQ (Original post)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 04:12 PM

31. How is he going to "unify" the party

 

when his own campaign is openly talking about purging moderate Dems after he wins??
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