Operation Chaos is a thing in SC

[Skidmore]

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https://www.thestate.com/news/politics-government/article240605961.html

More Republican groups hoping to meddle in the state’s Democratic presidential primary on Saturday have decided who will get their vote.

The Greenville Tea Party has chosen to support for Vermont U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders, as he has risen in the polls and has won the popular vote in the Iowa, New Hampshire and Nevada contests.

Former Vice President Joe Biden has consistently led in the South Carolina polls, but the lead over Sanders has shrunk in recent weeks.

Stephen Brown, the former chairman of the Greenville Tea Party, said a few thousand votes may tip the scales of Saturday’s primary in Sanders’ direction.

https://wlos.com/news/election/operation-chaos-2020-movement-encourages-republicans-to-strategically-vote-in-sc-primary

A press release says the movement, Operation Chaos 2020, comes at an opportune time for Republicans since any registered voter is permitted to vote in the primary. Operation Chaos aims to influence the outcome of that day.

In the release, Stephen H. Brown, former chairman of the Greenville County GOP, stated the following:

We are doing this openly, and loudly, to make a very public protest in opposition to open primaries. We want the South Carolina General Assembly to change the election laws to permit certified political parties to hold closed primaries. While our first objective is to protest open primaries, our second objective is to assist the reelection of the President by extending and exacerbating the division among the Democrats. For decades now, South Carolina Democrats have meddled in our primaries, voting for the weakest Republican candidates and cancelling out votes for more conservative candidates. We want them to understand how serious and egregious this is.
Voting in the Feb. 29 primary won't impact anyone's ability to vote in either primary of their choice, Republican or Democrat, in June, the release added.

[pazzyanne]

1. Operation Chaos is happening in more states than just South Carolina.

Anywhere there is an open primary this is happening. How do open primaries benefit the Democrats? How can this be legal?

[jimfields33]

8. It is legal but surprised the Democratic Party in South Carolina is ok with it

They can change the rule anytime. I wish California would too.

[Farmer-Rick]

35. So, go vote for Weld in the RepubliCON primary

It works both ways. If you think Trumpers are going to pass up an opportunity to vote for their God, and will so distort our primary. Go vote for Weld...he's running against Trump.

[George II]

54. There is no republican primary in South Carolina.

[Farmer-Rick]

64. Yes there is but this one is for other positions. North Carolina is still having a primary.

Republican Party primaries in South Carolina, 2020
Elections in South Carolina, 2020

Primary date: June 9
Primary type: Open
Registration deadline(s): May 8 (hand-delivered); May 10 (email or fax); May 11 (postmarked)
Online registration: Yes
Same-day registration: No
Early voting starts: N/A
Absentee/mail voting deadline(s): June 9 (received)
Voter ID: Photo ID
Poll times: 7 a.m. to 7 p.m.

https://ballotpedia.org/Republican_Party_primaries_in_South_Carolina,_2020

North Carolina will have to vote for Weld. https://www.dailytarheel.com/article/2020/02/weld-presidency-0210

[George II]

66. Those are for Senate and House seats, and other state seats. No presidential primary.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/25/us/south-carolina-primary-operation-chaos.html

There’s No G.O.P. Primary in South Carolina. Some Republicans Will Vote Anyway.

[pazzyanne]

57. Since I have severe mobility issues, I'll leave that to the more mobile voters. nt

[musicblind]

61. I thought Republicans cancelled their primary in SC?

Or am I mistaken?

[Farmer-Rick]

65. It's in June. Sorry that's for other positions. But North Carolina is still having a primary.

and Weld is on it.

https://www.dailytarheel.com/article/2020/02/weld-presidency-0210

[musicblind]

76. NC is still having a Republican presidential primary?

Thank you for that information. My Mother (who is a republican) thought they weren't having one for president and so wasn't going to vote in the republican primary unless she could vote against Trump. (She is a republican but despises Trump). I'll let her know. I'm trying to win her over to the Democratic side of things.

[Farmer-Rick]

78. Yeah, it's in March.

Here's a link to Weld being on the ballot.

[Cha]

2. Mahalo Skidmore! :(

[Skidmore]

3. Good morning, Cha!

Isn't this disgusting? You can't trust any poll now or the results of any election. Closed primaries are needed to reflect true party choices.

[Cha]

5. It's so horrible. like impending

doom And, I don't know what we can do about it.

It's not Democracy to have the rw pick our candidate for the monster in the WH.

Not sure why the SC Dem Party couldn't have primaries for Dems only.

[Farmer-Rick]

37. Go vote for Weld. If you think primaries are so easily manipulated

Crossover and for Weld. It's easy enough.

If these RepubliCON idiots go vote for Bernie, your vote for Weld will carry more importance.

Limpballs ain't as smart as he thinks he is.

[Cha]

63. For one thing I don't live in SC.. for another.. there is No

repub primary in SC

And, I don't think "operation chaos" is a real thing.. I know it.

[Farmer-Rick]

67. Sorry that election is for other positions. But North Carolina is still voting.

https://ballotpedia.org/Republican_Party_primaries_in_South_Carolina,_2020

It's in June.

I agree it's not real.

https://www.dailytarheel.com/article/2020/02/weld-presidency-0210

[betsuni]

4. K&R

[Skidmore]

6. People, this is happening. It is an assault on

our democracy and elections which we should not bury as a one off because of the current candidate field. Ignorance is not bliss in this environment. There will be other elections, we hope, if we can survive 2020 with democracy intact.

[Cha]

10. I've said this before but we need

a blooming miracle to get through this victorious. All I can think of.

Mahalo and Good Morning Skidmore

[Nikki28]

7. In my heart

I think this is what has been happening since the primaries began. I wish Democrats can start this over and scrap the Primaries because of this very thing. I feared for this and wrote about weeks ago.
How would the Repukes feel if we wrote in names like Mitt Romney.How could we change this before it gets too far? It probably already is ,but it is time for Tom or whomever(Nancy and Chuck)to change this and flip the script on this distortion if they can and have a do over in all states on the GE and not sooner.

[Skidmore]

12. I don't know. Awareness of its

existence and the extent of it is necessary. I strongly suspect that it was used in the GE last time and may account for the screwy exit polls.

Republicans don't have a true field this time so can engage in cheating openly and to a larger extent.

[MichMan]

25. Crossing over to influence the other parties primary is nothing new

Pretty certain that one of the factors that led to Trump winning the nomination in 2016 was crossover primary votes when most knew Hillary would already be our nominee. Trump was a joke and most assumed he would be easy to beat. Of course, no one would admit to it now.

Always happens if there is an incumbent running and no compelling state wide offices. Wouldn't surprise me if there was a lot of it going on in 2012 when President Obama was running for his 2nd term.

[LittleGirl]

9. Rush limpdick

Thought this up and started it in 08.

[denem]

11. :(

bad news

[Voltaire2]

13. Zero effect on election outcomes but that

is not the objective. The objective is to confuse people, to get them to believe their candidate lost because of cheating.

[Skidmore]

14. How can votes cast by

people who would not have otherwise not cast them in that way not have an effect? I reject that since we do not know the scale at which it is occurring.

[Voltaire2]

15. Because their numbers are too small to

Change the outcome.

[Skidmore]

17. The Republicans have no field.

You don't think they haven't calculated percentages necessary to mess with the primary?

[Voltaire2]

18. They've accomplished their objective

without anyone voting.

[Cha]

75. No.. their goal is not "accomplished" yet

[Frustratedlady]

16. They don't need Russia. They are corrupt enough to handle this election all by themselves.

Since few Repukes retain any sense of patriotism, this is not surprising. With their co-conspirator still on the mike, Rush apparently feels well enough to insert his shenanigans into the election...doesn't cost them anything, and they can get their jollies by expending little effort.

As with the last election, we will never accept the "winner" and the parties will drift further and further apart. With that, Russia has done a good job.

[texasfiddler]

19. Super delegates will become a thing as well

[Mister Ed]

21. Polls may provide a rough measure of their success (or lack of success).

If, for example, Bernie were to far exceed expectations based on aggregate polls in South Carolina, then the surprise might be due in large part to the efforts of these Republicans to put their thumb on the scale. If the primary results are more or less in line with the polls, then I'd tentatively conclude the Republicans' effect on the vote was minimal.

Of course, we could never be sure. An unexpected result could be due to a last-minute surge in the popularity of a candidate, or to flawed polling methods. The result would be bitter resentment and contention between the supporters of the various candidates - which is what the Republicans are aiming for. The don't call it "Operation Chaos" for nothing.

So, I guess I'm hoping for our sake that the primary results don't bring any really big surprises.

[4139]

27. Maybe, but I believe Biden has under performed the polls in Iowa, NH and Nevada

... so how will we tell SC is any different ?

[Nanjeanne]

22. I remember when Rush Limbaugh was repeatedly telling are to vote for Obama in

open primaries. Maybe he didn’t win with all those Rs that listen to Rush.

[Baclava]

23. They are also spreading the meme that "anything less than a 10 pt win in SC is a loss for Biden"

Don't fall for it

[Skidmore]

24. I just came across

that one on Twitter.

[Skidmore]

26. Searching for a list of Super Tuesday states

and the types of primaries they have which can be monkeyed with in this manner. The only list I can find is on FOX where the Trumpers go for marching orders. Not surprising because this is a Trump led dirty trick. Won't hotlink it by you can cut and paste. I give you the list. How much ratf****ing needs to occur to have an effect on any candidate? We need to overhaul more than caucuses.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/what-states-vote-on-super-Tuesday

Alabama: The state holds an open primary, with the 61 delegates being awarded on a proportional basis.

American Samoa: The territory holds an open caucus, with the territory awarding 11 delegates, of which 6 are pledged delegates allocated on the basis of the results of the caucuses.

Arkansas: The state holds an open primary, with the 36 delegates being awarded on a proportional basis.

California: The state holds a semi-closed primary – meaning only Democrats and unaffiliated voters can cast a ballot, with the 494 delegates being awarded on a proportional basis.

Colorado: The state holds a semi-closed primary – meaning only Democrats and unaffiliated voters can cast a ballot, with the 80 delegates being awarded on a proportional basis.

Democrats Abroad: This is an open primary in which any U.S. citizen living abroad who is a member of Democrats Abroad can participate, with the 17 delegates being awarded on a proportional basis.

Maine: The state holds a closed primary – meaning only Democrats can cast a ballot, with the 32 delegates being awarded on a proportional basis.

Massachusetts: The state holds a semi-closed primary – meaning only Democrats and unaffiliated voters can cast a ballot, with the 114 delegates being awarded on a proportional basis.

Minnesota: The state holds an open primary, with the 91 delegates being awarded on a proportional basis.

North Carolina: The state holds a semi-closed primary – meaning only Democrats and unaffiliated voters can cast a ballot, with the 122 delegates being awarded on a proportional basis.

Oklahoma: The state holds a semi-closed primary – meaning only Democrats and unaffiliated voters can cast a ballot, with the 42 delegates being awarded on a proportional basis.

Tennessee: The state holds an open primary, with the 73 delegates being awarded on a proportional basis.

Texas: The state holds an open primary, with the 261 delegates being awarded on a proportional basis.

Utah: The state holds an open primary, with the 35 delegates being awarded on a proportional basis.

Vermont: The state holds an open primary, with the 24 delegates being awarded on a proportional basis.

Virginia: The state holds an open primary, with the 124 delegates being awarded on a proportional basis.

[Farmer-Rick]

28. Another disinformation campaign to get Dems to fight among themselves

I don't believe it has any impact. Here, in TN, to crossover you have to give up your vote. What Trumper would give up their chance to vote for their king even in the primaries?

This is just like that lie that Bernie was being promoted by Putin/trolls. So which is it? Make up your mind.

So, the states that have already voted for Bernie are just flukes?

This is ridiculous. Does ever disinformation campaign have to be posted on DU?

Don't let these RepupliCON idiots get you to believe they can turn your primaries. It's BS.

If you are that worried, go vote for William Weld in the RepubliCON primary. He's still on the ballot. If the GOP can so easily turn our primary elections so we can turn theirs. Crossover and vote William Weld in the RepubliCON primary.

[Skidmore]

29. I don't think it is something as

simple as disinformation. Too many of these people are willing to act.

[handmade34]

33. 740,000 Republicans

voted in the 2016 Primary... even a percentage is a lot of votes

[Farmer-Rick]

34. So go crossover and vote for William Weld in the RepubliCON primary

If you think voting in the other party is so impactful go vote for Weld. If you think primaries are so easily influenced go influence the GOP primary.

[Gothmog]

30. Operation Chaos is real

Link to tweet

[handmade34]

32. unfortunately...

the actin is too little too late

[Farmer-Rick]

42. So go vote for Weld

If these Trump voters are not voting for Trump, it means your Weld vote carries even more weight.

[handmade34]

31. ....

https://www.postandcourier.com/politics/upstate-gop-leaders-plotting-to-meddle-in-sc-democratic-primary/article_f1e7abd2-4788-11ea-aa9f-33a1d262994c.html

The Republican plan to impact the Democratic race, emerging just weeks before the “First in the South” primary, has two goals: Boost the candidate who the Republicans believe presents the weakest general election threat to President Donald Trump and pressure Democrats to support closing state primaries in the future...

That led Leupp to believe they could potentially narrow the gap even more if they can persuade even a small fraction of the state’s Republican voters to heed their call. In 2016, about 740,000 voters participated in South Carolina’s Republican presidential primary, compared to 370,000 in the Democratic primary...

740,000...

[Farmer-Rick]

40. So go vote for Weld.....

With all these idiots NOT voting for Trump, crossover and vote for Weld. It will carry even more weight because these idiots are throwing away their votes.

Weld is on the RepubliCON ballot in many, many states.

Limpballs is not as smart as he thinks he is.

[Skidmore]

43. Wouldn't do it if I could.

Now or ever.

[Farmer-Rick]

45. And don't you think some of these Trump lovers feel very similarly

Not because they have any ethics, but because they would be giving up a chance to vote Trump and may inadvertently give Weld a helping hand.

[Skidmore]

50. Some but

with him being in the 90%s in most states, they have less to lose if a small % spread across states can sway delegate counts. I'm sure they've done the math since they aren't doing the work of governing.

[Farmer-Rick]

51. Perhaps but even their impact on our primary will be very small.

And for what? To vote for a Democratic candidate who is in the lead anyway.

No Trump lovers and GOP do not do numbers. They just do mostly lies. They can't possibly know how many Dems will cross over or if Trump's popularity will suddenly fall as it has in the past....even among Repukes.

No, Limpballs may be talking about it, but he is pretty stupid to think Dem crossovers won't be causing a problem in their primary too. He thinks he's smarter than he is.

[handmade34]

46. that makes no sense

Republicans are not throwing away their vote by crossing over... trump WILL be the nominee and Democrats crossing over to vote for Weld would create the same result as the Republicans crossing over to vote for Bernie????

[Farmer-Rick]

49. I don't understand what you mean.

Not voting Trump and voting in the Democratic Primary means there is that many fewer votes for Trump. People who then vote Weld will have a larger influence over the RepubliCON primaries. They may in the end get Trump but you will have messed up their primary.

You don't really think RepubliCONS are really the majority voters in our Democratic primary? The Democratic party will still have a Democratic candidate no matter what some stupid RepubliCONS do.

[handmade34]

52. there could not be enough

democratic crossover voters to cause any problems in the Republican primary... Bill Weld is a non starter...

The Economist-YouGov Poll released Wednesday shows that Trump has the support of 86 percent of Republican primary or caucus voters, compared to 5 percent for Weld.

per article posted elsewhere in 2016 there were 740,000 Republican primary voters and 370,000 Democratic primary voters

and if Democrats crossed over, it would not be the Bernie supporters that would and therefore that would result in a greater chance that Bernie could win the SC primaries... and that is the driving reason that the Republicans are crossing over to vote for Bernie... they believe that Bernie is the weakest candidate against trump and therefore trump will win


and besides even though we may have to change our behavior to win in November, I am really opposed to stooping to their level

[Farmer-Rick]

53. Yeah, I disagree

The handful of Trump voters voting for the Democratic leading candidate will have very little impact and is stupid. Limpballs wants you to be afraid and angry. That way you put off other Democratic voters. You could even have long conversations about how we are all doomed.

But a crossover despite the polls...that seem to be wrong a lot more since W...to Weld would carry much more weight. You never know when Trump does something stupid and his numbers will suddenly fall like they have in the past. And if any Trump voter believes Limpballs, then that's one less Trump vote that will make the egomaniac look bad.

It's really better for us to do a cross over than for a Repuke.

[W_HAMILTON]

68. Even if someone wanted to ratfuck them back, it is not possible in South Carolina.

The South Carolina Republican Party voted to cancel its presidential primary.

[Farmer-Rick]

69. Yeah, but it is possible in North Carolina

https://www.dailytarheel.com/article/2020/02/weld-presidency-0210

[W_HAMILTON]

70. How about Democrats pick their nominee and Republicans can pick theirs?

[Farmer-Rick]

73. That makes much more sense.

[Historic NY]

36. Why do we allow such fuckery?

[Skidmore]

41. Which four states?

I've only seen this SC video and article about SC specifically.

[Skidmore]

48. I'd lay odds

on Trumper.

[brer cat]

39. K&R

[Skidmore]

47. SC lawmaker's bill to stop Republican 'Operation Chaos' movement gets first OK

Don't know how enforceable this is but glad to see this party raiding taken seriously.

https://www.thestate.com/news/politics-government/election/article240660436.html

After GOP officials urged South Carolina Republicans to meddle in the upcoming Democratic primary, state lawmakers are considering a resolution that may deter them from voting for a candidate they believe President Donald Trump can easily beat.

The resolution, introduced by S.C. Sen. Marlon Kimpson, would lock anyone that votes in the Democratic presidential primary Saturday into voting in the Democratic contest again in 2024. Meaning that voters who participate in what Republican leaders and activists have dubbed “Operation Chaos” would not be able to vote in what will be a competitive GOP primary during the next presidential election, unless they sign a sworn statement saying they only participated in “good faith.”

That added provision would give voters in Saturday’s primary a way around being locked into the Democratic contest in 2024. It came after heated debate over whether lawmakers should do something about threats to disrupt the primary.

“What we have in South Carolina is an orchestrated attempt by the Republican Party to come into the Democratic Party and select who they view … as the weakest candidate in the Democratic Party primary,” Kimpson, told his fellow senators Wednesday....

[Cha]

62. omg.. they're trying.. Thank you, Skidmore!

I said we needed a miracle.

[Baked Potato]

55. This could backfire spectacularly for them.

There could emerge a huge Fuck You voting trend that puts Bernie in bigly.

Just like how Trump got in.

[redqueen]

58. It does remins me of the "pied Piper" strategy.

[NurseJackie]

56. Thanks for posting this.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

59. Yep

Link to tweet

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[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

60. Of course it's okay

Link to tweet

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[Blue_Tires]

71. We're not allowed to bring that up...

[Cha]

72. We Do It Anyway..

[ehrnst]

80. Facts are facts.

[Cha]

82. Facts are our Friends.. Get to Know

Them

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

74. 'Army of Trump' prepares at CPAC to battle socialism

The theme could not be missed: “America vs. Socialism”

The slogan was emblazoned on nearly every piece of official signage at the 47th Conservative Political Action Conference, the annual gathering of the right’s most diehard activists that began Thursday at a massive convention center about a half hour’s drive from the White House.

Team Socialism has a lot of generals and foot soldiers: progressive cultural changes, the “deep state,” the mainstream media, Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, Bernie Sanders.

Team America is led by one man: Donald Trump. The president’s emissaries were everywhere at the event, hosting panels focused on teaching the attendees how, exactly, they could help Trump defeat socialism in 2020. The conference was a boot camp for what Trump campaign spokesperson Kayleigh McEnaney called the “Army of Trump” during a Wednesday panel.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/army-of-trump-prepares-at-cpac-to-battle-socialism/ar-BB10uoxJ?li=BBnb7Kz

The ratfucking falls into place.

[TexasTowelie]

77. K&R! nt

[ehrnst]

79. You don't say...

[maximusveritas]

81. Same as 2016. Exit polls showed Bernie primary voters saying they'd vote for Trump in the general

They were just voting for him because he was the weakest and would at least make Hillary suffer having to fight him til the convention.

[Gothmog]

84. trump and Russia are busy helping sanders

Link to tweet