Early Biden VP talk...

[PunkinPi]

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hello to people who are interested in a #BidenHarris2020 ticket only.

This ticket makes me happy (not that it's about just me), and I do believe could pull off a win!

[Sloumeau]

1. I believe Biden/Harris could bury Trump. :) nt

[MoonRiver]

2. That's my dream ticket!

[Happy Hoosier]

3. If Joe would name Kamala as his running mate...

... IO would consider supporting him. Harris was my first choice.

[DownriverDem]

9. Well then

support Biden or your dream will never happen.

[Happy Hoosier]

11. He needs to work a deal with her now. NT

[bucolic_frolic]

4. Bicoastal

but California will go blue with or without Harris as VP.

That's why I still think it will be Amy

[Dem4Life1102]

8. That that is the problem

It will be cast as a coastal elites ticket that won't play well in middle America.

[Happy Hoosier]

13. "elites"

WTF makes Joe an "elite"?

Does education and expertise now disqualify someone from holding office? It's crazy.

[Dem4Life1102]

18. I'm not saying he is

but that is how Trump and the GOP will play it in middle america.

[DownriverDem]

12. How about

Abrams? I just wish folks would realize that Biden is our best choice to beat trump. I will never know why some folks don't see it this way. Nothing good happens if trump wins.

[bucolic_frolic]

14. Lacking experience in my view

His best bets are Harris, Klobuchar, Warren if he's going with a woman, which is almost a necessity. If he doesn't, Trump will ditch Pence and go with Hailey. So Joe has excellent if limited options.

[Skya Rhen]

28. Warren can join a unity ticket with him and add her delegates to his, for a win. Kamala adds nothing

[LizBeth]

30. I was a Harris support off the bat, but I do like Biden/Warren a tad better. Biden/Harris works

better for Harris to run after Biden.

[PunkinPi]

15. Reminder, black women are the backbone of the dem party and representation matters. nt

[Iliyah]

5. I have no problem with that . . .

[Dem4Life1102]

6. Stacey Abrams should be the VP candidate

She ticks all the boxes that Harris does plus she would help put Georgia in play which Harris doesn't do.

[PunkinPi]

16. I've said it before, I like Abrams and think she has a bright future in the party, but

she doesn't have as much experience as Harris.

[Dem4Life1102]

19. So?

[PunkinPi]

20. When your a heartbeat away from the presidency, experience matters. nt

[Dem4Life1102]

21. What is more important

Experience or actually winning an election?

[PunkinPi]

22. Both. nt

[Dem4Life1102]

23. Then Abrams makes more sense

than Harris.

[PunkinPi]

24. Not really, Harris has WON statewide 3 times (in a large state),

Abrams hasn't (though I think she was cheated out of the GA governorship).

[Dem4Life1102]

25. Harris is from a blue state

Abrams from a red state. Stop playing checkers. Learn chess.

[nsd]

49. Learn chess? Oh, please.

Learn to argue respectfully and coherently.

[Dem4Life1102]

52. Learn how electoral politics works.

[LanternWaste]

27. When on the operating table, ask yourself...

What is more important, experience or doc's popularity with the nursing staff?

[Dem4Life1102]

39. Simplistic thinking

If the vote of the nursing staff determines if you live or die, I would go with the doctor more popular.

[nsd]

48. Huh?

This metaphor doesn't make sense. Abrams is popular with progressive activists within the Democratic Party. But the general election (living or dying) is decided by a much larger population, most of whom have never heard of her.

[Dem4Life1102]

51. You're right

it doesn’t make sense. Surgery is not electoral politics. And Abrams doesn’t need to be known by everyone just by the right voters.

[nsd]

47. Experience is more important.

There is little evidence from past elections that VP nominees directly help that much even in their own states, much less in other states.

What is true is that VP nominees can hurt (e.g., Palin in 2008, Quayle in 1988) and that VP nominees can help indirectly by reinforcing the presidential nominee's message or brand (e.g., Clinton/Gore in 1992) or by shoring up a perceived weakness (e.g., Obama/Biden in 2008 vis-a-vis experience).

Abrams may have been cheated out of a *narrow* victory in the 2018 Georgia governor's race, but there is no reason to think she is some electoral powerhouse who can turn Georgia blue -- even if VP nominees did matter that much themselves, which they do not. More importantly, she doesn't address Biden's weakness: his age. Joe Biden will be 78 years old on January 20, 2020. He needs a running mate who is seen as experienced enough to take over on day 1 if necessary. Warren meets that threshold, and so do Harris and Klobuchar. But Abrams, who spent six years as minority leader of the Georgia house, simply does not.

[Dem4Life1102]

50. Experience doesn't matter

if you don’t win the election.

[sweetloukillbot]

34. This...

Harris as Attorney General. I want to see her go after the criminals in the current administration.

[Dem4Life1102]

37. That makes sense.

[Skya Rhen]

7. He should name, as VP, someone who can add to his delegate count at convention for the win - Warren.

[left-of-center2012]

10. Hmm - no

She did not do well running her own campaign.
I don't see how she'd be a "plus" for Biden.

[LizBeth]

26. Biden do one term then hand it over to Harris. Works for me.

[spicysista]

29. That would make me very happy.

I can see already see her debating Pence. I would also be just as happy with Stacey Abrams.

[LakeArenal]

31. Nooo. Please not Harris.

Stacy.

[SKKY]

32. Imagine this scenario for a moment...

Biden wins SC, and at his victory celebration, standing with Rep. Jim Clyburn, Biden announces that he has selected Kamala Harris as his running mate, and brings her on stage. That would be a powerful, powerful play. I don't buy the line that they haven't thought out this far. Worst case scenario, they all have very short lists.

[Hortensis]

33. Biden-Warren, as they discussed in 2015.

[LizBeth]

35. I like this one too. Warren really has bot gone after Biden.

[Hortensis]

40. Keeping a big door open. Someone described Warren

as "radical in defense of tradition." I only wish today's young people could realize how wide open the world was to me when I was their age in the 1960s-70s, before conservatives took over in the 1980s. I was a formerly homeless kid who dropped out of high school with no significant skills and got a full-time job that supported me modestly and allowed me to pay for community college. Then I got a better-paying job, then a better-paying one. All we have to do is START by restoring that prosperity and social mobility, and then building on it.

No leaping off a revolutionary cliff, copying the destruction of dozens of other nations needed.

Thinking of it, I LOVE Biden's determination to restore the stability and principles that brought us to my era with Warren's iconoclastic visions of using the need for repairs to leap us forward. He didn't choose her then to do nothing! A NEW New Deal, building on what our grandparents bequeathed us.

[LizBeth]

42. I had a Sanders supporter co worker, mid twenties, minimum wage job

looking to buy a house with his vet loan. Educating him all the way while he was looking for a home he could afford and different things like property tax ect... He finally concluded he was not going to be able to buy and afford worthwhile property. He concluded that it just was not as easy today buying a home as in the past.

I told him, at minimum wage no one was buying a home in the past either.

He did not believe me and we started researching minimum wage in the 70's, even with home costs.

The kids really are fed a lot of stuff that is not reality based.

In the 70's we would never consider these college loans. We would live at home and go to the local college if we could not afford a school or didn't get scholarships. There are differences with economy today, but not that much.

[Hortensis]

44. Such a tragedy for these generations. Neither Sanders nor

the RW are telling them that our national wealth has MORE than quadrupled over the past 30 years that conservatism has dominated, even while they're not paid a living wage for full-time work. UNLIKE their parents'.

Sanders lies to them by telling them the problem is capitalism, NOT that voters have been electing unprincipled predators who've removed the controls on capitalism.

The Repub leaders tell them it's because they're undeserving. Russia targets them all with both messages depending on what their individual profiles indicate will work better.

The only solution is a return to the liberal domination of government that made us prosperous, and happy and great.

Btw, a progressive thinker recommended we RETURN to smiling and looking people in the eye in public. LOOK at others, friendly, confident, open, accepting. NOT as if we're already defeated and afraid. I've noticed for a long time here in deep-red country that I can no longer admire babies in the market and count on parents being happy and proud at the admiration instead of suspicious of the stranger. Mean people are a sign of growing authoritarianism. And so is fear.

We need to fight the effects on ourselves so we can help others. Be the Americans we want them to be.

[LizBeth]

46. Your last paragraph is a poignant truth. Also with all the automation and tech, it really does make

things so much harder and takes up so much time. It is good and fun and I love the internet. But it is also harder taking care of issues, getting thru to people and doing simple things, especially if not running smoothly. Iowa would be one example. People are amped in stress.

[PunkinPi]

57. imho, the only caveat with this ticket would be having two people in their 70s, though

Warren is a vibrant 70!

[Hortensis]

59. :) Yes and yes.

Outstanding people being vigorous and able for decades longer than was typical not long ago are a new reality for the human race. For better and worse. Imo, there's plenty of both but overall a lot more better.

On the worse side, Biden has said he's already been there and done that as "assistant president" to Obama. He no longer wanted a job that wears young men to the bone, but age just wasn't an excuse for refusing the call of duty to save his nation.

[mcar]

36. It would be a great ticket

[Moderateguy]

38. If it is a brokered convention it'll have to be Warren

for a unity ticket. Just like Sanders would have to choose a moderate as VP in that situation

[Skya Rhen]

41. Thank you!!!

[Cha]

43. lol@hello to people who..

Mahalo, Punkin!

[PunkinPi]

56. That gave me a lol too.

Hi ya, Cha!

[Duppers]

45. YAY!!

Works for me.

[PunkinPi]

55. Me too...

[customerserviceguy]

53. Won't happen

After Sen. Harris tried to make Joe Biden look like some kind of racist, she committed an unforgivable sin. Also, Joe needs to win SC decisively to even start thinking about a VP pick, at this point, it would look desperate if he actually said anything about that choice.

[PunkinPi]

54. Biden's not harboring bad feelings about what happened at the first debate...

[Peacetrain]

58. Whether he does or not is yet to be seen.. but Joe is not a person to carry a grudge..

I can see him choosing Kamela.. after all Beau and Kamela were very close..