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brooklynite

(94,502 posts)
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 12:52 PM Feb 2020

Buttigieg plots risky delegate strategy to survive Super Tuesday

Politico

Despite a brutal Super Tuesday map unlikely to hand him any statewide wins, the former South Bend mayor is looking to reinforce his claim as a Democratic alternative to Bernie Sanders by racking up delegates in individual congressional districts on Super Tuesday. It’s a national version of Buttigieg’s path to first place in Iowa’s state delegate race — crossing the viability threshold everywhere, pending a recount — which Buttigieg hopes to replicate on Tuesday, when 14 states weigh in on the Democratic primary, despite a splintered field and limited resources.

Buttigieg’s campaign said in a memo that its objective on March 3 is to “minimize” Sanders’ margins and maximize “delegate accumulation by [congressional] district, not states.” Anticipating a drawn-out primary process, Buttigieg is looking to survive deeper into the calendar, making it to mid-March contests in the Midwest that might provide more opportunities for him.

Buttigieg is focusing on selected districts in smaller media markets throughout the country to rack up delegates, from Austin, Texas and its suburbs to San Diego, northern Maine, and other locales where Democrats flipped House seats in 2018. But it’s a risky strategy to maintain momentum, and that risk is born out of necessity.

Buttigieg doesn’t have the money to compete more broadly across the 14 Super Tuesday states, like Bernie Sanders and especially Mike Bloomberg, nor is he expected to set up Super Tuesday by finishing strongly on Saturday in South Carolina, where he’s struggled to gain any traction among voters of color. He’s not wading into more favorable demographic territory, like Joe Biden in the other Southern states coming up. And he’s not getting the benefit of home-state primaries on March 3 like Amy Klobuchar and Elizabeth Warren.

But a candidate can still “run up the score with district-level delegates, especially when there are still so many candidates up and kicking,” said Ace Smith, a California-based Democratic strategist who works for Kamala Harris. Smith noted that the strategy has sustained successful presidential campaigns in the past: “It’s the Dukakis strategy,” he said, referencing the 1988 Democratic primary.
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Buttigieg plots risky delegate strategy to survive Super Tuesday (Original Post) brooklynite Feb 2020 OP
Dukakis shouldn't necessarily be used as a reference for strategy nt sweetloukillbot Feb 2020 #1
His primary strategy was nothing short of brilliant dsc Feb 2020 #5
Absolutely Butterflylady Feb 2020 #8
Dukakis won the nomination. Laelth Feb 2020 #31
This could have worked if he started a few months ago jimfields33 Feb 2020 #2
He should get out...he only helps Sanders who won't win a general...for the good of the nation. Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #3
Please stop posting that Bernie is guaranteed to lose in the General. OliverQ Feb 2020 #10
Look at the Larry Sabado post squirecam Feb 2020 #12
Why would I care what Larry Sabado OliverQ Feb 2020 #14
If you want to ignore evidence, then fine. squirecam Feb 2020 #15
You're ignoring the evidence of Bernie OliverQ Feb 2020 #16
I didn't make the claim that there was no evidence squirecam Feb 2020 #17
punditry is not evidence. dumptrump1 Feb 2020 #19
If someone has an 80% chance to win squirecam Feb 2020 #20
10 months before an election cannot give you an 80% dumptrump1 Feb 2020 #21
I am, 10 months before an election, 80% or more sure squirecam Feb 2020 #22
Mondale and McGovern were probably 100% certain they would win more than their state dumptrump1 Feb 2020 #23
So that's a no then. squirecam Feb 2020 #24
no but Sabatos foundation for his claim is inherently flawed dumptrump1 Feb 2020 #25
He doesn't have an expanded base. The numbers in the early primaries show this clearly. Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #28
There is plenty of evidence. And I am not alone in my opinion...so no. Consider it a warning...and Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #27
There is zero evidence. OliverQ Feb 2020 #34
There is lots of evidence...Trump wants Sanders as the nominee...that alone is evidence...but there Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #35
Trump has stated conflicting things. OliverQ Feb 2020 #36
No we won't because he absolutely would lose and is supported by evidence.. Callado119 Feb 2020 #32
Absolutely no evidence supports that conclusion. OliverQ Feb 2020 #33
Yup! I will be pissed if he is part of the reason that we are stuck with Sanders helpisontheway Feb 2020 #18
If he acts as spoiler and Trump wins...he won't ever have another chance at the primary IMHO. Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #29
Buttigieg is currently second in delegates. musicblind Feb 2020 #38
Dukakis won what one state? Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #4
Actually, Dukakis won WA, OR, MN, IA, WI, NY, MA, RI, CT and WV brooklynite Feb 2020 #7
Shit, he won WV? Those were the days... nt sweetloukillbot Feb 2020 #13
Weren't They, Though...? The_Counsel Feb 2020 #26
Yep, there was a time when West Virginians cared deeply about their livelihoods and quality of life. musicblind Feb 2020 #39
That is truly horrible... Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #30
Here's the thing. Mayor Pete sitll thinks he has a path to the nomination. And apparently so does totodeinhere Feb 2020 #6
I doubt Pete, Amy or Liz will win delegates...so they will have to get out...sad for Sanders since Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #37
what is he hoping for? counting Feb 2020 #9
In a brokered convention Buttigieg's delegates would likely go to a Centrist, not Sanders or Warren. jalan48 Feb 2020 #11
 

sweetloukillbot

(11,008 posts)
1. Dukakis shouldn't necessarily be used as a reference for strategy nt
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 12:55 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

dsc

(52,155 posts)
5. His primary strategy was nothing short of brilliant
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 01:02 PM
Feb 2020

it was only after the person who developed that strategy was fired for lying about giving out videos of Biden plagerizing Kinnick that his strategy tanked.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Butterflylady

(3,542 posts)
8. Absolutely
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 01:07 PM
Feb 2020

I was watching that race and hoping and praying he could pull it off, but it was beyond horrific.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
31. Dukakis won the nomination.
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 10:25 PM
Feb 2020

What am I missing here?



-Laelth

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

jimfields33

(15,769 posts)
2. This could have worked if he started a few months ago
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 12:55 PM
Feb 2020

But 5 days???? Good luck. I wish him well.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
3. He should get out...he only helps Sanders who won't win a general...for the good of the nation.
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 12:57 PM
Feb 2020

If he contributes to helping elect Sanders and Trump wins...he is dead to me in any future primary. He should get out and consider his future with the party..what will benefit him.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
10. Please stop posting that Bernie is guaranteed to lose in the General.
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 01:08 PM
Feb 2020

Absolutely no evidence supports that conclusion. In fact, all evidence says the opposite.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

squirecam

(2,706 posts)
12. Look at the Larry Sabado post
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 01:38 PM
Feb 2020

There is evidence Sanders is the worst choice to lead the ticket in the swing states.

we do think we know enough about the potential weaknesses of Sanders that our reaction to his nomination, if it happens, would be to shift some of the Electoral College against him and also to look at Trump as a small favorite for November.


http://centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/articles/the-sanders-tax/
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
14. Why would I care what Larry Sabado
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 01:43 PM
Feb 2020

thinks? There are tons of other articles saying Bernie has the best chance of beating Trump.

The moderate candidates will heavily suppress turnout since there isn't much enthusiasm for them. And I'm concerned about Biden's health.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

squirecam

(2,706 posts)
15. If you want to ignore evidence, then fine.
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 01:47 PM
Feb 2020

I was responding to your post where you claim there is no evidence that Sanders would lose. There is. Sanders is an underdog vs Trump compared to Biden.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
16. You're ignoring the evidence of Bernie
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 01:49 PM
Feb 2020

having a much larger support base and polling better than other Dems. So why would you think he's more likely to lose? This forum does not represent the bulk of the Democratic base demographics at all. Most posters here are 60+, where as the Democratic base skews much younger.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

squirecam

(2,706 posts)
17. I didn't make the claim that there was no evidence
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 02:15 PM
Feb 2020

That Sanders would lose. You did.

You may not like that evidence. But it exists.

As for me, I trust Sabado more then I do message board posts. Or Twitter.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

dumptrump1

(236 posts)
19. punditry is not evidence.
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 02:58 PM
Feb 2020

What did sabato say about who would win in the 2016 general election? I would base his credibility on that.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

squirecam

(2,706 posts)
20. If someone has an 80% chance to win
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 03:16 PM
Feb 2020

That still means the other person wins 2 out of every 10 times.

Experts have to make predictions based on evidence. They aren’t infallible.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

dumptrump1

(236 posts)
21. 10 months before an election cannot give you an 80%
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 03:23 PM
Feb 2020

Certainty of anything.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

squirecam

(2,706 posts)
22. I am, 10 months before an election, 80% or more sure
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 03:28 PM
Feb 2020

That Trump will lose California. Show me an expert that will disagree with that position.

Therefore, your position that no one can be certain of anything is incorrect.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

dumptrump1

(236 posts)
23. Mondale and McGovern were probably 100% certain they would win more than their state
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 03:43 PM
Feb 2020

Too. How did that turn out?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

squirecam

(2,706 posts)
24. So that's a no then.
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 03:50 PM
Feb 2020

You can’t show one expert on CA?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

dumptrump1

(236 posts)
25. no but Sabatos foundation for his claim is inherently flawed
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 03:55 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
28. He doesn't have an expanded base. The numbers in the early primaries show this clearly.
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 10:03 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
27. There is plenty of evidence. And I am not alone in my opinion...so no. Consider it a warning...and
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 09:57 PM
Feb 2020

this is a primary...so until he is the nominee (I hope he isn't as I want to beat Trump)...I can post what I choose within the rules...and electability is a fair and important topic.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
34. There is zero evidence.
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 10:32 PM
Feb 2020

There is more evidence Biden would lose since Bernie is polling better than him in most states and beats him by far nationally.

You're not alone in your opinion, but this forum is an echo chamber. Most people here skew much older and do not represent the majority of Democrats or Independents.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
35. There is lots of evidence...Trump wants Sanders as the nominee...that alone is evidence...but there
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 10:35 PM
Feb 2020

I am not talking about this forum either.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
36. Trump has stated conflicting things.
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 10:37 PM
Feb 2020

At a dinner with Lev Parnas, he said he's worried about facing Bernie because he has real support. McConnell warned the GOP members trying to push Bernie to be careful, because Bernie will be harder to beat then they think.

And Democrats were pushing for Trump to be the candidate in 2016 because they were convinced he'd be easy to beat. Remind me how that worked out.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Callado119

(171 posts)
32. No we won't because he absolutely would lose and is supported by evidence..
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 10:25 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
33. Absolutely no evidence supports that conclusion.
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 10:31 PM
Feb 2020

Bernie is winning in most swing states, more than other Dems. Bernie is beating Biden by 13 points nationally. Bernie has the largest base of support. Bernie is the most liked Democratic candidate.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

helpisontheway

(5,007 posts)
18. Yup! I will be pissed if he is part of the reason that we are stuck with Sanders
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 02:51 PM
Feb 2020

He knows he can’t win so he was to rack up delegates? For what? His ego? He knows he is hurting Biden.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
29. If he acts as spoiler and Trump wins...he won't ever have another chance at the primary IMHO.
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 10:06 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

musicblind

(4,484 posts)
38. Buttigieg is currently second in delegates.
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 10:58 PM
Feb 2020

I think it is unfair to ask him to get out of the race without at least offering him something in return. If he hasn't already, Biden should personally call Buttigieg and talk to him as a friend and not an advisory. Buttigieg is a brilliant young man and would make a great addition to Biden's cabinet or ticket. I have nothing but respect for Buttigieg. He would certainly not be "dead to me" if he doesn't drop out and clear the way.

Right now, we THINK we know what will happen in South Carolina, but we thought we knew what would happen in Iowa, too. Let's see what happens before we go so far. That's just my humble opinion. I'm not saying you are wrong to have yours. I just don't get why you feel that strongly at this point?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
4. Dukakis won what one state?
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 12:58 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

brooklynite

(94,502 posts)
7. Actually, Dukakis won WA, OR, MN, IA, WI, NY, MA, RI, CT and WV
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 01:05 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

sweetloukillbot

(11,008 posts)
13. Shit, he won WV? Those were the days... nt
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 01:41 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

The_Counsel

(1,660 posts)
26. Weren't They, Though...?
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 04:38 PM
Feb 2020

There actually was a time where WV was just about as reliably Blue a state as there ever was. Even more so than NY, if you can imagine that...

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

musicblind

(4,484 posts)
39. Yep, there was a time when West Virginians cared deeply about their livelihoods and quality of life.
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 10:59 PM
Feb 2020

I'm surprised so many of them no longer do.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
30. That is truly horrible...
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 10:13 PM
Feb 2020

What a loss...

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
6. Here's the thing. Mayor Pete sitll thinks he has a path to the nomination. And apparently so does
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 01:02 PM
Feb 2020

Senator Klobuchar and of course Joe Biden isn't going away anytime soon. And Bloomberg has unlimited resources so he no incentive to leave. So that continues to divide up the anti-Bernie vote and clears a path for him.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
37. I doubt Pete, Amy or Liz will win delegates...so they will have to get out...sad for Sanders since
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 10:37 PM
Feb 2020

he needs to divide the moderate vote which is far larger than his support totals...but no matter if he arrived at the convention with 30%, he wouldn't win the nomination anyway.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

counting

(69 posts)
9. what is he hoping for?
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 01:08 PM
Feb 2020

4th on the delegate count? potential vp for the nominee?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

jalan48

(13,859 posts)
11. In a brokered convention Buttigieg's delegates would likely go to a Centrist, not Sanders or Warren.
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 01:14 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
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