Biden crushing Sanders in South Carolina

[still_one]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/02/27/poll-joe-biden-big-lead-south-carolina-117839

[uponit7771]

1. That's not good for Sanders, this'll be a repeat of 16 then

[totodeinhere]

44. Just based on one primary? Lets see what happens on Super Tuesday before drawing any conclusions.

With a crowded field like this I don't think it's reasonable to expect any candidate to win every primary and caucus.

[DarthDem]

52. Well, sure, but Sanders supporters have been calling for an end to the primary

Based on the results of one primary (and two caucuses). So, yeah, based on one primary, we're going to draw conclusions just as supporters of Sen. Sanders have done with the same data set.

[TeamPooka]

91. Bernie's problem is that he overperforms in a caucus vs a regular election type primary

[George II]

2. Both Steyer and Sanders are on the edge of getting no state-wide delegates, maybe just....

...a small smattering of district delegates.

[still_one]

3. and I believe I heard this was before the Clyburn endorsement

[onetexan]

6. WOW! That is impressive!

Thank you for noting this - great news! Go Joe!

[rzemanfl]

7. Yes, the article says that. I expect there will be more movement toward Biden. n/t

[emmaverybo]

15. Before Clyburn and before debate.

[Celerity]

5. Biden crushing Sanders

[PatSeg]

8. Great news

Some in the media wrote off Biden too soon!

[honest.abe]

9. Wow.. its possible Bernie "the front runner" could be zero'd out saturday!

If he ends up with less than 15%.

So how does the Bernie campaign explain that? Is SC just an outlier??

[murielm99]

11. Nah...

they are the establishment. And the South does not matter anyway. Democrats will not win those states.

[Sloumeau]

12. ROFL

[hot2na]

36. Of course it matters

Let's not forget that this primary is about choosing the nominee. If Biden crushes it is SC, he could carry that momentum to the nomination.

Blowing off the whole significance of the SC primary and the South is a mistake. They will play a pivotal role in the nomination.

[totodeinhere]

47. He explains it by saying it's one state. How has Biden explained losing the first three states? n/t

[honest.abe]

65. Biden isn't the "front runner", Sanders supposedly is.

Getting blasted in a big diverse state like South Carolina will be a huge setback. I suspect the media will jump all over that. It will be interesting to see how the Sanders campaign explains that away.. and I don't think it would be wise to say "too many black folk".

[totodeinhere]

76. No, it's not a case of "too many black folk." But no other state has a Democratic electorate

which is 60% AA. And with Bernie leading in so many other states I think that South Carolina might not be enough to get Joe back on track even if this latest S.C. poll is accurate.

According to RCP, Sanders is up +12 in Colorado and Wisconsin, +17 in California, +9 in Virginia, +6 in Washington State and +6 in Maryland.

Not all of those states will vote on Super Tuesday, but numbers like this should be encouraging for Sanders supporters.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/#!

[honest.abe]

77. "no other state has a Democratic electorate View profile which is 60% AA"

That sounds like "too many black folk".

[totodeinhere]

84. I already said I don't mean it as "too many black folk."

Here is what I am saying. Joe Biden does best among AA voters. Good for him. AA's make up a very important constituency in the Democratic Party. But South Carolina has the highest percentage of AA voters compared to other states. So Biden's popularity among AA voters, while it's a good thing, won't influence the results as much in other parts of the country. Nevada already proved that. Joe won the AA vote but lost the Nevada caucus by double digits. And I think that strong AA support won't be enough for Joe to win a lot of other states. For instance, in California Joe's support from AA voters is outweighed by strong Hispanic support for Bernie, and they are also an important constituency in the party.

[honest.abe]

85. There are quite a few states with large AA populations.. not just SC.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_African-American_population

If Bernie doesnt do well in states with high AA percent then he shouldn't be our nominee since black folks represent a huge and important segment of our party.

[totodeinhere]

86. Notice that Nevada is light blue on that map but it went for Bernie anyway.

And I think that in Nevada Bernie actually won the younger AA demographic. He only lost the older demographic.

[honest.abe]

87. Caucus.

Undemocratic.

[totodeinhere]

88. I support the elimination of caucuses. But that's what we had to deal with this time

and under DNC rules they count.

[honest.abe]

89. Right, but its not a good example of Bernie attracting AA voters.

As you were implying.

Bernie is likely to lose all the deep south states big.. SC, GA, AL, MS, LA, FL.. all with high AA voter populations.

Not good for someone who wants to be our nominee.

[totodeinhere]

90. I already said that Joe's support from the AA community is a good thing.

But I do think that the growing Hispanic voter population in the South might keep it closer for Bernie.

[honest.abe]

92. Bernie has made inroads with Hispanic voters.

I will give him that. But he is not attracting a significant number of black voters and that could and should be his downfall.

[blue-wave]

10. Stupendous!

I agree with others here. Joe might be the only one to get delegates (like every delegate) out of South Carolina. I believe there are statewide delegates and then delegates apportioned to the winner of each congressional district.

[yaesu]

13. I would bet that Biden will have no problem winning the SC primary. nt

[TruckFump]

14. Thank you for the good news!

[emmaverybo]

16. Great news.

[brutus smith]

17. Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn once in awhile.

[berksdem]

19. oh please...

[Gothmog]

20. This makes me smile

Link to tweet

[Dem Femme Fatale]

51. Fake Poll

Rick Perry's former SC campaign manager created this conservative polling company & their HQ has been closed.

[awesomerwb1]

81. So you're saying the poll

was conducted by a non-existing company?

[LakeArenal]

30. This is a thread on Joe Biden

We all say we vote for the nominee. 🤷🏼?♀️

[LakeArenal]

32. Joe's floor needs no mopping and Bernie isn't the one to do it.

That’s how opinions work.

[DarthDem]

56. Sen. Sanders was expected to do well in the two caucus states as well as NH

. . . which ties into your point about "mopping the floor," to the extent that has any validity.

[DarthDem]

75. Okay

nt

[amuse bouche]

23. I'm not in love with any candidate, but least of all Sanders

[bucolic_frolic]

26. Newbie, what time is it where you're at?

[Squinch]

41. 2016!

Or at least thats what trumps statement refers to. The 2016 VP picks for Hillary.

[jmowreader]

28. Trump can beat Bernie easily, without using the S word

“Bernie is going to take all your money and give it to people who don’t deserve it.”

Since Bernie is campaigning on a platform that’s nothing but taxes and spending, this attack will work.

[awesomerwb1]

29. Cool story bro

Blocked.

[LakeArenal]

33. Oh come on. Did you listen to impeachment?

Bernie’s name never came up.

Joe is the most feared by trump.

[LakeArenal]

40. Grass roots means a lot of Russian interference.

[Squinch]

54. True. Its his superpac.

[Squinch]

63. Did Biden insist for years that he would not take super Pac money?

Does Biden castigate other candidates for taking corporate money?

[Squinch]

39. The statement was also a reference to 2016. Trump was saying he

was most afraid of running against Hillary if her VP was BS rather than the VPs under consideration.

[Squinch]

35. Lol! Enjoy your stay.

[Squinch]

50. Did anyone say it was? Do you interpret disagreement as censorship

or disenfranchisement?

[Squinch]

58. Interpret it as you choose. I interpret your comment as a demand

that others must not challenge your opinion.

[Squinch]

69. Gosh. And we're all real glad you showed up to save the party.

[Squinch]

73. Someone else said that. Hmmm. Recently.... Now who was that?

[TommyCelt]

78. I ALONE... (nt)

[Squinch]

79. .

[uponit7771]

64. Gaslighting is rude

[bucolic_frolic]

25. It's time for Democratic Party members to prick his bubble but good

[LakeArenal]

34. The Democratic Establishment....

[Squinch]

74. The corporatist oligarchs!

[LakeArenal]

38. In modern times Bernie just threw the glove down

On the Democratic Establishment.
My opinion is Bernie is way more childish by far.

See opinions works both ways.

[LakeArenal]

46. As said Enjoy your stay.

[peggysue2]

62. That's because Sanders needs mega-trunks to carry his own history

Decorated with stickers reading: "Democrat of Convenience."

See how that works?

[uponit7771]

68. .... says no one

[Progressive2020]

59. Biden

Uncle Joe seems to have some life left in him. I have predicted for a while that he will win South Carolina, and then it will be a fight between Biden and Sanders on Super Tuesday. I think in Super Tuesday we might see one or the other gain a lead, or they might split states and delegates and run neck and neck with each other. Whatever happens, I think that we are going to have a very interesting week in politics coming up.

[totodeinhere]

60. Assuming this poll is accurate I would not get too apoplectic over it just yet.

After all, it's just one state that Joe was always expected to win. Yes, if Joe wins it by a big margin it will be a boost to his campaign, and congratulations to him. But it's just one state and with Super Tuesday coming up just three days later the results from South Carolina may well turn out to be just an asterisk.

According to RCP, Sanders is up +12 in Colorado and Wisconsin, +17 in California, +9 in Virginia, +6 in Washington State and +6 in Maryland.

Not all of those states will vote on Super Tuesday, but numbers like this should be encouraging for Sanders supporters.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/#!

[DarthDem]

67. Great Poll

I don't know if it accounted for anticipated crossovers by "Republicans" who - in a really mysterious development - all plan to vote for Sen. Sanders for some assuredly inexplicable reason. But it's a great, great result across the board.

[Squinch]

80. Maybe, MAYBE it will be enough to counteract that crap. We can only hope.

[Progressive2020]

82. Bloomberg Over Sanders

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I think that Biden might need to worry more about Bloomberg than Sanders. Bloomberg's ads in South Carolina and the Super Tuesday States might be drawing voters away from Biden. Biden and Bloomberg are competing for the same votes- moderate Dems, traditional members of the Party. If they split the moderate vote, this creates an opening for Bernie.

If Bloomberg falters, Biden is the likely beneficiary. So Biden should be punching back against Bloomberg like Warren did in the debates, where Bloomberg did not do so well. The Sanders people are a different thing. Sanders has his loyalists, and Bloomberg is not likely to draw many of them away from Bernie. Biden voters are different, and some might be drawn to Bloomberg. So I would advise the Biden people to go after Bloomberg. He is the main threat to Joe's candidacy right now.

[Note: A Correction- Bloomberg is not on the ballot in South Carolina. I thought he was when I wrote this comment. I am now correcting it. I now think that Biden will do very well in South Carolina, and then will go into Super Tuesday with a big surge. Bloomberg may have made a big mistake not running in South Carolina. I now think that Super Tuesday will be mainly a fight between Biden and Sanders. We will see what develops.]

[Ingersollman]

83. Super

Tuesday should cement it. Whichever way it goes.