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Thu Feb 27, 2020, 01:59 PM

 

Why fears of a Bernie Sanders nomination obliterating Democrats' control of the House are overblown

https://www.businessinsider.com/fears-of-bernie-sanders-threatening-house-dem-majority-are-overblown-2020-2
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Reply Why fears of a Bernie Sanders nomination obliterating Democrats' control of the House are overblown (Original post)
OliverQ Feb 2020 OP
BlueTillIDie Feb 2020 #1
LanternWaste Feb 2020 #5
BlueTillIDie Feb 2020 #7
ehrnst Feb 2020 #9
George II Feb 2020 #14
NurseJackie Feb 2020 #16
ehrnst Feb 2020 #10
PatSeg Feb 2020 #21
BlueTillIDie Feb 2020 #22
Blue_Tires Feb 2020 #2
BlueTillIDie Feb 2020 #3
msongs Feb 2020 #6
PatSeg Feb 2020 #19
JudyM Feb 2020 #24
LanternWaste Feb 2020 #8
TwilightZone Feb 2020 #12
TwilightZone Feb 2020 #11
Blue_Tires Feb 2020 #23
redqueen Feb 2020 #4
TwilightZone Feb 2020 #20
WhereAmerica Feb 2020 #13
bucolic_frolic Feb 2020 #15
NurseJackie Feb 2020 #17
TwilightZone Feb 2020 #18
Gothmog Feb 2020 #25

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Response to BlueTillIDie (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 27, 2020, 02:11 PM

5. Another prophesy. Simple as that.

 

('it does not follow' is a logical fallacy we should all become acquainted with so as not to appear less informed than we may otherwise allege)
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Response to BlueTillIDie (Reply #7)

Thu Feb 27, 2020, 02:17 PM

9. "It's impossible until it's possible" right?

 

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Response to BlueTillIDie (Reply #7)

Thu Feb 27, 2020, 02:20 PM

14. 1996 and 2012, probably more.

 

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Response to George II (Reply #14)

Thu Feb 27, 2020, 02:22 PM

16. Bazinga!

 

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Response to BlueTillIDie (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 27, 2020, 02:18 PM

10. Because you say so?

 

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Response to BlueTillIDie (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 27, 2020, 02:34 PM

21. Wow, you just got here yesterday

 

You sure have been pretty busy. I've actually never seen anything quite like it before on DU.
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Response to OliverQ (Original post)

Thu Feb 27, 2020, 02:04 PM

2. Regardless, it's never a good look

 

when our potential nominee says "establishment Dems" are the enemy...
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Response to BlueTillIDie (Reply #3)

Thu Feb 27, 2020, 02:11 PM

6. oh yes its all a plot. everything is a conspiracy nt

 

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Response to msongs (Reply #6)

Thu Feb 27, 2020, 02:29 PM

19. Sounds very Deep State to me!!!

 

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Response to msongs (Reply #6)

Thu Feb 27, 2020, 02:44 PM

24. Are you arguing with the facts? or just caricaturing the natural inference from the facts?

 

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Response to BlueTillIDie (Reply #3)

Thu Feb 27, 2020, 02:12 PM

8. You consistently allege that premise...

 

yet never provide objective evidence to support it.

That isn't rational thought.
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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #8)

Thu Feb 27, 2020, 02:19 PM

12. Because there is no evidence, of course.

 

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287591579#post11
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Response to BlueTillIDie (Reply #3)

Thu Feb 27, 2020, 02:18 PM

11. False.

 

Your assertion is nonsense. They didn't start until 1984 and have never influenced a race. The closest was in 1984 when Mondale was reported by some news agencies to already have the 1,967 delegates he needed, but called another 40 to ensure that he had a majority. He won on the first ballot.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2016/mar/22/debbie-wasserman-schultz/debbie-wasserman-schultz-says-superdelegates-never/
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Response to BlueTillIDie (Reply #3)

Thu Feb 27, 2020, 02:42 PM

23. So we've all got it coming then, is that it?

 

We're done here...
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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #2)

Thu Feb 27, 2020, 02:09 PM

4. It is when people don't pretend not to know who he's taking about.

 

There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans.

Paul Wellstone
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Response to redqueen (Reply #4)

Thu Feb 27, 2020, 02:33 PM

20. I don't think even Sanders knows who he's talking about.

 

Not specifically, anyway. It's just a vague, meaningless term thrown out to get a specific reaction from a specific audience. From what some of his supporters say, it includes pretty much everyone but Bernie and a few others, which makes the term even more useless.
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Response to OliverQ (Original post)

Thu Feb 27, 2020, 02:19 PM

13. THAT'S NOT what this Business Insider story says

 

Here's what it actually says:

"The concerns of some vulnerable House Democrats aren't unfounded. In 2018, after all, voters strongly expressed their dislike of the incumbent president Trump by voting out their Republican representatives in favor of Democrats.

"And no vulnerable House Democrats have endorsed Sanders ó those that have endorsed are backing more moderate candidates including former VP Joe Biden and former Mayors Mike Bloomberg and Buttigieg.

" 'South Carolinians don't want socialism,' Rep. Joe Cunningham, a Democrat who flipped a Republican seat in South Carolina, recently told the Post & Courier ahead of the state's Saturday primary. 'Bernie's proposals to raise taxes on almost everyone is not something the Lowcountry wants and not something I'd ever support.'

To put it simply, it's far too early to decisively declare whether or not a Sanders candidacy would be a killer for down-ballot Democrats and cost them control of entire legislative chambers."

There you have it. At best, it says, it's too early. But several polls have shown a large majority of voters DO NOT want socialism, and Trump/Russia will make that synonymous with communism -- few voters know the difference, especially since communists call themselves socialists.

With any other candidate, we may well increase our margin the House, take the Presidency and possibly win the Senate. With Sanders, we will undoubtedly lose the House, lose the Presidency and probably lose seats in the Senate. Remember: most Americans DON'T WANT SOCIALISM.

The Cunningham comment is being echoed by many other Democratic House members, and would most likely lead to a drop in Democrats voting in those districts.

In short, kiss this country's democracy and rule of law goodbye if Sanders is the nominee.
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Response to OliverQ (Original post)

Thu Feb 27, 2020, 02:21 PM

15. Haha, businessinsider is supporting Bernie? No this article is trying to sink us /nt

 

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #15)

Thu Feb 27, 2020, 02:25 PM

17. Good word: Sabotage. I agree.

 

It's never been a secret that his "Our Revolution" group wants to "destroy" the Democratic party so that it can be rebuilt in His image. Same holds true for Cenk Uygur's "Just us Democrats".
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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #15)

Thu Feb 27, 2020, 02:25 PM

18. Nah, it's left-center.

 

Their support of him appears to be legitimate, for whatever reasons. Jake Lahut is a NH homer, so probably not surprising.
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Response to OliverQ (Original post)

Thu Feb 27, 2020, 02:46 PM

25. House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy will be the next speaker come 2021

 

Kevin McCarthy also wants sanders to be the nominee




THE TUMULTUOUS POLITICAL CLIMATE has given fresh hope to REPUBLICANS, who were privately skeptical of TRUMPíS prediction that House Minority Leader KEVIN MCCARTHY will be the next speaker come 2021. Internal polling commissioned by the NATIONAL REPUBLICAN CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEE showed that voters in districts targeted by both parties are skeptical of SANDERS -- his approval rating is 42%, and disapproval stands at 53% -- which they believe will help boost their candidates for the House. In these districts, voters prefer TRUMP, 48% to 43%. If SANDERS is atop the ticket, Republicans believe, they can credibly label every Democrat a socialist without fear of overreach.
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