Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumNew York Times: Superdelegates open to brokered convention to block Sanders from nomination
https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/27/politics/bernie-sanders-contested-convention/index.htmlVery very bad idea. Guaranteed collapse of the Democratic party, it will trigger a massive turnout suppression, and Trump is guaranteed to win again.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Squinch
(52,352 posts)threads every 5 minutes if I would vote for him in the general. My answer is always the same: if he is the nominee, I would walk a mile over broken glass barefoot to vote for BS if it was between him and trump. I will vote for ANYONE over trump.
Every non-BS supporter I have seen asked this question has said unequivocally that if BS is the nominee, they will vote for him. Every one. No exceptions.
Are you suggesting that if there is a brokered convention. BS's supporters would not do the same?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Mike Nelson
(10,246 posts)... the Superdelegates are going to vote for someone, rather than "block" the others?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueTillIDie
(305 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bluedye33139
(1,474 posts)If Sanders does not have a majority and is not chosen at the convention, a large section of his followers will absolutely become angry. His supporters who are not Democrats and who hate the Democratic party will experience a confirmation of their bias. some of his followers who are Democrats will likely leave the party, too.
If he is handed the denomination even though a majority of Democrats have voted for other candidates, this will also leave a sour and bitter taste. Mainstream Democrats and people who were hoping for something else will be alienated. Will they leave the party? Possibly some of them will.
We are looking at a no-win situation here. Both outcomes have downsides. Neither outcome is obviously superior.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TwilightZone
(27,825 posts)A candidate needs a majority of delegates. There are two ways to do that: 1) get a majority during the primary campaign; 2) build a coalition at the convention to acquire enough for a majority.
All of the candidates understand how it works and agreed to the terms simply by running as Democrats. We shouldn't allow hostage takers to influence how the process is supposed to unfold. If people think throwing a tantrum is more important than getting rid of the existential threat that is Donald Trump, they need to reevaluate their priorities and look out for more than themselves.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bluedye33139
(1,474 posts)that there is a clear path if no one has majority. Obviously a person with the largest support might be the candidate that other delegates get behind, and there would be nothing wrong with that. There would be nothing automatically wrong or ethically wrong or procedurally incorrect if the delegates coalesce behind Sanders.
He isn't my first or second or third choice, I should add. My personal preference would be someone else. But I don't think there would be anything procedurally wrong with the delegates choosing him, if they do so.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(46,154 posts)I use the 40/30 rule for where the explosive ripping apart would surely start
IF Bernie has above 40% and the next person is under 30%, then his supporters will go bonkers, especially if he is at 45% and above.
If he is at 38% say, and Biden at 35% , then not so much, although they will still go argy bargy.
Even the bare minimum of the rule
Sanders 40%
Biden 29%
and Bernie is denied
it will be crazy
and
if he is at say,
45% and above and is denied the party will rip itself apart
(hard to see the 2nd place there within 10 points of him as that means all the other candidates only pulled 20% or less combined, whic as long as Klobuchar, Bloomberg, Warren, and Pete are in, I can see them pulling more than 20% en toto)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Squinch
(52,352 posts)before the end of the last primary.
I suspect there will be complaints and defections no matter what scenario we are faced with this time.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(46,154 posts)Last edited Thu Feb 27, 2020, 11:11 PM - Edit history (1)
outright, but she was very close, she was at 47.66%
There were 4,051 pledged delegates and 714 superdelegates in the 2016 cycle.
That is 4765
2383 was the magic number needed to win
based off just pledged delegates only, she had 2271
the SD's finished off the Bern before it went to a 2nd ballot, under the old rules, as well they should have as she had 3.7m more votes in the popular vote count
If it was this year, it would have gone to a 2nd ballot, where she would have won anyway
but yes, the booing was crazy and pure bullshit
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hav
(5,969 posts)that prevented Clinton from winning without them as she had a clear majority of pledged delegates. But because both types voted, her pledged delegates alone wouldn't have been enough. That is what made the butthurt at the convention even more crazy. She clearly won and the convention was only a technicality. The SDs were never going to overturn the majority that Clinton got from actual elections.
The way I understand it, under the new rules, there wouldn't have been a second vote as well.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
thesquanderer
(12,283 posts)Not exactly. If Sanders had done just a little more poorly, Clinton would have won the nomination without needing any super delegates at all.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(46,154 posts)first ballot in 2020. In 2016 they could and did. Either way, Clinton won or would have won.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kaleva
(37,884 posts)Are we not Democrats who are working to select our party's nominee? Or should we leave the choice to people who hate us and are not Democrats?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)That's not even the actual NY Times headline.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
JudyM
(29,491 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(304,374 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)being good journalism and all...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
thesquanderer
(12,283 posts)...everyone could read it without worrying about a paywall.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TwilightZone
(27,825 posts)We had enough of the "Sanders supporters will stay home, blah, blah" stuff last time. If you think that another four years of Trump are worth taking your ball and going home, there are tens of millions of people who disagree with you.
It's time for people to grow up and act like adults. Trump is an existential threat and if throwing a tantrum is more important to people then getting rid of him, they need to reevaluate their priorities.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Skya Rhen
(2,722 posts)moderate having a clear lead. Now, look at the mess that has been created. Thanks, Mike.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kaleva
(37,884 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Squinch
(52,352 posts)to answer the question any of the dozens of times it has been put to me here. Neither has any non-BS supporter I have seen who has been asked.
Do you think many BS supporters will not support the eventual nominee unless it is BS?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
OliverQ
(3,363 posts)the nominee is. If it's Warren, yes I think they will. If it's Bloomberg? Absolutely not. Not sure about Biden.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Squinch
(52,352 posts)candidate. That's quite disgusting. Not to mention asinine, childish as can be, and suicidal.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
OliverQ
(3,363 posts)Look how many people did that in 2016. Hillary was clearly the better option compared to Trump, but people hated her too much to do the rational thing and vote for her.
Yang supporters were the worst in the poll I saw. Over half of them said they wouldn't vote for anyone but Yang. Bernie supporters weren't that bad.
But a lot of young people are fed up with this country and the hold on power by the rich elite. Someone like Bloomberg will not make their lives any better. He's in this race to protect the billionaire class.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
thesquanderer
(12,283 posts)Amd sure enough, the actual New York Times article says nothing of the sort. That headline text was added by CNN. Actual NYT headline is, "Democratic Leaders Willing to Risk Party Damage to Stop Bernie Sanders."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
mzmolly
(51,494 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mtron32
(35 posts)the Super delegates would've been gone, this was a compromise
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
mzmolly
(51,494 posts)the past Presidential election, than he does today.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Just_Vote_Dem
(3,102 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
oasis
(51,485 posts)And that goes for 2024 as well.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
OliverQ
(3,363 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
oasis
(51,485 posts)if Trump gets re-elected, and they know it. From dreams of promised free stuff to Z-E-R-O. I believe most of them will cool down by Summer's end and come to their senses.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
OliverQ
(3,363 posts)good at shooting themselves in the foot. Lots of people will stay home if their favorite candidate doesn't win. Some candidates will suppress more votes than others.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
oasis
(51,485 posts)Remembering Jane Sanders' ambiguous answer in 2016 after being asked for whom she cast her vote for just days before the General Election.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
OliverQ
(3,363 posts)even though I don't think he'll address most of my issues.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
oasis
(51,485 posts)of all Americans.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kingofalldems
(39,171 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
OliverQ
(3,363 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Kingofalldems
(39,171 posts)Every day.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
gulliver
(13,318 posts)Ideally, the center left candidates will have enough delegates to pool them and put them behind one of them Biden, Bloomberg, Buttigieg, or Klobuchar. Then that chosen candidate would win the majority of votes on the first ballot, and the super delegates would note even have to vote.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
OliverQ
(3,363 posts)Buttigieg and Klobuchar have no shot with their minority numbers. It's going to come down to Bernie or Biden unless Warren can turn things around or Bloomberg buys his win. The one thing that could get me on board with Biden is if Warren is in contention for the VP slot. I'd like to see him pick a more progressive candidate.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided