BS on Soviet Union: People there seem reasonably happy and content. I didn't notice much deprivation

[Skya Rhen]

Link to tweet

[George II]

1. He was the guest of the government, I'm sure they weren't going to give him a tour of deprivation.

[HarlanPepper]

2. So "happy" and "content" the whole utopia fell apart a few years later.

[NurseJackie]

19. ... none so blind...

(and all that).

[PatSeg]

8. Oh yes

The Soviet Union was very careful about not letting visitors see anything that wasn't upbeat and positive.

[dalton99a]

46. Exactly. He was a special guest of the nomenklatura

and he was under their surveillance

[LakeArenal]

3. Yeah, well there's good things about Castro,too.

According to Bernie.

But honestly the Russian people probably are nice and happy. They may not like their government tho. Just like the US.

I’m loving life. I hate my current government.

But I get to say so. Not sure they are.

[Hortensis]

4. Famine, power outages, epidemics do tend to be spotty

and outside the areas most tourists visit.

But just the same, black markets formed by impoverished people to get what they need to live are everywhere and have been for decades. Trading my mother's spoons for fabric to make my grandchildren's clothes is not my idea of lack of deprivation. But then I've lived my life in an evil capitalist western liberal democracy.

[peggysue2]

5. Well, that seals it, no?

We should have all moved to the Soviet Union before that damn Berlin Wall came down.

What were we thinking???

[redstateblues]

6. Alcoholism runs rampant- it ranks 4th in the world

[yaesu]

7. well, i can tell you who's not reasonably happy, the millions of Americans that have been

negatively effected by bidens pushing for and voting for the 2005 bankruptcy bill right before the last recession. and that's not ancient history.

[carlvsam]

9. DON'T CHANGE THE SUBJECT!!!

Bernie said this, and it’s on video. And if his fanatics don’t like - too bad!

[peggysue2]

10. That's 'whataboutism' in living color, carlvsam

Deflect whenever you can. Bernie Sanders uses this tactic all the time. He got booed for a similar pivot during the debate.

Bernie supporters need to catch up. The tactic is no longer working. Too many voters have caught on.

[yaesu]

16. first, don't tell me what I can or can't do, second, threads like this just divide the party

and help tRump, they don't help biden.

[redstateblues]

30. When Bernie slams the Democratic Party he is the divisive one

[Tweedy]

15. Biden did not push for that bill

The GOP did.

Joe Biden did vote for the bill, after some amendments made it slightly less horrible. He was the senator of Delaware at the time and his vote does reflect his constituency.

The bill would have passed without his vote, but the amendments rendering it slightly better would not have. Wish he had voted no, all the same.

Yet, let none forget the push to make bankruptcy harder for all, except the wealthy, and the push to deregulate the banks and savings & loans came from
the GOP, and its mindset that everyone in financial distress must be a "taker" unless that person was born rich (this president is a serial bankrupt).

[yaesu]

17. My research showed he did but we can agree to disagree. nt

[Tweedy]

20. It was the GOP

I was opposed to the bankruptcy bill & its predecessor when they happened.

I still cannot believe Congress wiped out cram down on mortgages. Convenient the timing for the banks, too. I wish he had voted no.

It was definitely a Grand Old Party project, likely one of the grotesques GOP think tanks and organizations like ALEC put out with such regularity.

[Cha]

22. Any comment on BS' statement?

[emmaverybo]

62. Ideology clouded his judgement. Plenty of people knew how oppressive the Soviet system was,

and communism around the world. Plenty would never have worn those big blinders. Exactly why
some do not trust him to run our foreign policy and relations or national security. Gullible.

JFK was not fooled. But then Bernie said JFK’s election made him sick.

[Cha]

63. Thank you for that, emmaverybo.

[Happy Hoosier]

53. Yeah, bring that up in the GE. See how that works.

The BS camp has no clue how babdly they are going to get shredded.

[IluvPitties]

58. The sympathies of your guy with the USSR

tell us the type of things he considers good.

At least on this, he's wrong as fuck.

[BlueTillIDie]

11. Having lived in moscow for a few years

People are generally happy. They absolutely hate putin, and long for the ussr to return, but theyre about as happy as americans are.

[ehrnst]

12. I guess you didn't talk to any LGBTQ people.

[msongs]

13. having known some russians who came to USA I can say they are to the right of the KKK on gays nt

[ehrnst]

14. Yep.

[NurseJackie]

18. Bye!

[mathematic]

21. Interesting to get a russian's perspective

What's it like in other cities over there, like Saint Petersburg? I always had the impression it was a more liberal city than moscow but that's only from immigrants I've known, so who knows?

[HarlanPepper]

24. Interesting

[awesomerwb1]

28. LOL LOL

Can't make this **** up. Check your dates fyi

[redstateblues]

31. Long for the failed Socialists state? The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics

No freedom of speech? Putin has a huge base that think he will restore Russia to greatness by invading former satellite states.

[rzemanfl]

39. Wait, what? You're a union worker, with a heated pool in your house, a crushed leg

AND you lived in Moscow "for a few years?" Quite a life you have there.

[Squinch]

40. They used to be a lot better at it, didn't they? I'm a little insulted.

[rzemanfl]

41. The "crushed leg" thing got my sympathy for a little while.

Then the clown started talking about marching the next day.

[Squinch]

42. LOL!

[renate]

68. Good catch!

They had time to write 305 posts since the 26th? That’s a real work ethic.

[rzemanfl]

69. If I recall correctly, also had time to self-delete many posts.

The reason being, I believe, because the crazy stories conflicted.

[Tweedy]

23. Yeah, right

The subjects of the Soviet Union were "content" in that so many people risked their lives to flee the place.

The bread lines were special.
The outright theft surely was appreciated.
The outright theft continues in Russia to this day.

Russia is a beautiful country, though.
The people are a bit upside down from years of kleptocracy and it doesn't look like the rule of law has ever taken there. Yet, Russians are kind, hearty, hospitable people. Maybe that is all Senator Sanders meant?

[braddy]

25. One clue is whether people can just pack up and move from your empire, or have to escape it.

[dumptrump1]

26. redbaiting is a very effective tactic.

Good on democrats for doing this

[Happy Hoosier]

54. It's not redbaiting...

When ya just play a recording of the dude.

[dumptrump1]

65. it is when you are accusing him of loving communists at the same time

Which he does!!

[Turbineguy]

27. I guess he never read

"The Rosa Luxemburg Contraceptive Cooperative".

A guy walks into a Butchers' shop.
"Do you have any fish?"
"We don't have meat here. They don't have fish across the street!"

[spooky3]

29. Here's my anecdote

Around the time Sanders was there, my neighbors in the midwest US emigrated from the USSR. Both were Jewish professionals who, when in the USSR, were taken from their jobs and homes and put to work "in agriculture", meaning, picking crops. For that reason, the husband could not bear to garden in his own yard in the midwest. When he went back to Moscow to visit his elderly mother, one of the things he did was stand in long lines to get a few fruits and vegetables for her, as she had not had any in some time, and, living in an apartment, she had no space to grow anything.

So much for their non-deprivation...

[redstateblues]

33. So much for Socialism

[IluvPitties]

59. But capitalism is evil and socialism is fair!

[evertonfc]

32. olololololololololol

[beachbumbob]

34. lol, I guess he visited all the sites the politburo lined up for him to see all the smiling faces

[Gothmog]

35. trump will use this as an attack ad

[highplainsdem]

36. Sanders has provided almost endless material for GOP attack ads. Which we won't see until

he has the nomination, because they want him to get the nomination.

[MyNameGoesHere]

37. Did he travel with Tom Tuttle from Tacoma Washington?

[Blue_Tires]

38. No wonder Moscow is propping him up

[LexVegas]

43. Ugh.

[dalton99a]

44. Cheers!

За здоровье!

[myohmy2]

45. yah...

...so?

...

[Gothmog]

47. The moment Bernie Sanders becomes the nominee 24 / 7 news & ads like this thread with video about ra

Link to tweet

[DanTex]

48. But obviously the GOP would never smear any of the other candidates.

[Gothmog]

49. The material tha t GOP has to use against sanders will be very effective

Link to tweet

Republicans are downright giddy about all this. What’s a scarier term to the American public than “socialist”? And with one of the leaders in the Democratic Party embracing it, their pitch to voters that Democrats want to radically change the country to something unrecognizable just got a lot easier.

“You add up things like packing the Supreme Court, getting rid of the electoral college, the Green New Deal and Medicare for none and you have a prescription of turning America into something it never has been and never should be,” Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said recently. “So we intend to be on the offense in running our races."

“We’re going into the war with some socialists,” Trump told a fundraiser in April.

This could be the defining debate of the 2020 election. Trump is so happy with that. Sanders is fine with that. The rest of the candidates aren’t so sure. But given the way this debate is shaping up, they may have no choice but to pick a side.

[DanTex]

50. No more or less than any other candidate.

[MineralMan]

51. Oh, not so, Dan.

They don't have any video of Biden saying, "I AM a socialist." Nope. They don't have any footage of Biden praising Castro. There's a lot of things they have to use against Bernie. Not so much against Biden, so they'll have to try to tie him to Obama and hope that works.

Bernie's gonna get slammed and slammed hard. Oh, yes...There are oodles of videos they can excerpt. And they will.

[DanTex]

52. Oh, yes. There's "oppo" on everyone, Bernie's not unique.

And the GOP won't hesitate to just make things up.

The only reason you might think that there's more "dirt" on Bernie is because people on this board are posting Bernie smears all day. But that's DU, that's not reality. In reality, Bernie is no more or less smearable than any other candidate.

The GOP will smear whoever the nominee is. That's a given.

[Happy Hoosier]

55. Lol... dude....

Find me recordings of other candidates praising Castro and talking about how Soviet Moscow is. Some Berners are kidding themselves in a major way.

[DanTex]

57. I don't go around smearing Dems with out-of-context videos from 30 years ago.

That doesn't mean that the GOP won't smear other candidates besides Bernie. People who think that are kidding themselves.

[ehrnst]

66. You just go around posting articles from Democrat-smearing brogressive

self congratulatory mags for other privileged white people who want to reassure themselves they are 'woke' without actually having to do any real looking at another POV.

[Gothmog]

60. trump has taken his shot at Joe Biden

Link to tweet

[liberal N proud]

56. Wow!

[Recursion]

64. Wasn't he there in the mid 80s?

That was probably the economically best time the Soviet Union ever had

[tritsofme]

67. A useful idiot then and now