Re: NYT article By Lisa Lerer and Reid J. Epstein

[OfTheBottom99Percent]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/27/us/politics/democratic-superdelegates.html


Any reaction to this New York Times article re: Leaders Willing to Risk Party Damage? If one were so inclined one could consider it odd that it corresponded with an appearance where my senator, Warren, who is granted, trying to make her case (b'cuz it’s a campaign after all) but yet again took a few kernels of truth, diluted the truthiness with a soupcon' of disingenuousness and made hay of misinformation
I’d still be thrilled to vote for her in the general. Allot of testy things are said in primary's; I guess it’ll always be the nature of the beast. I hope being misleading doesn't hurt her again. It’s rewriting history to say Bernie was pro super delegates in 2016. And he never called for overturning the will of the people- to replace the candidate with himself- he never said that. What he did say (because it was a campaign (and to campaign is to differentiate oneself) is that we can’t afford to put forward a nominee who is polling poorly against a unique threat to democracy. To to say he was pro super delegates in 2016 is just not true.
Noteworthy: After the primary he encouraged us to vote for HRC. I know I listened.
In fact a smaller percentage of Sanders supporters voted "other than Clinton" in 2016 and a higher percentage of Clinton supporters voted for McCain.Yes, the PUMAS were happy to put Sarah Palin one position away from the presidency. I don’t recall the exact figures but I know it was about 11% -vs- about 24-25% . Another number is 40 (some people say 39)…40 rallies that Bernie held or attended where he implored us to support Hilary.
We must be fact based.
At least Warrens’s town hall wasn’t as bad as the A-Hole Face advertisement running against Biden in which the voice of Obama seemingly savages Biden from a clip that isn’t even about him! And it wasn’t even Obamas own words! It's Obama quoting a completely different person (a barber in Chicago?) from the audio version of his book.
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Imagine (unless you don’t have to imagine) donating to a candidate, perhaps repeatedly, maybe not eating three meals in order to do so, and loosing too many work hours in order to door knock; imagine being relieved when you hear that that candidate alone beats A-Hole-Face in Pennsylvania (not random, it’s where I canvassed in 2004 and in 2016 and I desperately wish I were back there now- no, Florida this time- actually Then, imagine that candidate receives a plurality of delegates but then no- we’re just going to forget all that democracy stuff and a few people who have feelings about the election will replace the candidate chosen by WeThe People and replace him with someone else, even possibly someone plucked from obscurity, because: chaos.

Ever wonder why the Republican party doesn’t have super delegates and why in a twisted universe-bend they often seem to win the democracy narrative while rarely if ever respecting the will of the voters.
The voters should decide. < Has this become quaint?

POST SCRIPT
Wait, this trended...primary Warren? Are they f@###%^#@ kidding? That assumes Warren won’t maybe win this primary. Naturally there's bias against the front runner but the front runner's supporters aught have more confidence to- no, wait, no no no, I’m tired, I can’t! I can't even. Help! We need humour!
I tried to do humour, a post about A-Hole-Face picking a new VP and no one got it cuz- wait, are we meant to tag things as humorous? Never mind, I guess it wasn’t funny anyway, but…we need humour and we need to have a sense of humour which is different- it requires patience and kindness
Um...
hashtag: I would vote for a boiled toad- what would you?
No- um…I would vote for a mummified unioniser- yeah no, um, I would vote for a bag of lawn clippings. Wait, why are these all dead things? I would vote for George R. Martin and I don’t even like his books...I would vote for the dentist who pulled the wrong molars out of my jaw, I would vote for Dorinda Feasible and I don’t even know who she is…Oh well, whatever...hashtag: WE NEED HUMOUR!

[W_HAMILTON]

1. As Biden would say, "get your facts straight, jack!"

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“The responsibility that superdelegates have is to decide what is best for this country and what is best for the Democratic Party,” Sanders said on May 1, 2016. “And if those superdelegates conclude that Bernie Sanders is the best candidate, the strongest candidate to defeat Trump and anybody else, yes, I would very much welcome their support.”

Later that month, Sanders told CNN, “I am not a great fan of superdelegates, but their job is to take an objective look at reality. And I think the reality is that we are the stronger candidate.”

On May 29, 2016, Sanders said superdelegates had the “very grave responsibility to make sure that Trump [is not] elected president of the United States. Vote for the strongest candidate.”

And even as Clinton secured the Democratic nomination the following week, Sanders continued to push for superdelegates to vote to override Clinton’s pledged delegate majority.

Told on June 7, 2016, that his superdelegate convention push would defy history and the will of the voters, Sanders said, “Defying history is what this campaign has been about.”

Taken from: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/02/20/bernie-sanders-pushed-contested-convention-2016-now-he-wants-avoid-one/

Despite badly lagging in the delegate count, Bernie Sanders' campaign manager told NPR the campaign believes Sanders can and will be the Democratic nominee by winning over superdelegates at the 11th hour.

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It's a sharp contrast from earlier in the campaign when Sanders supporters called superdelegates "undemocratic" and petitioned for them to support the candidate who has the most votes by the Democratic convention this July.

"When they get to the convention," Weaver continued, "nobody has the delegates to win with pledged delegates. It's going to be the superdelegates who are going to have to decide this."

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"Now we can argue about the merits of having superdelegates," Weaver continued, "but we do have them. And if their role is just to rubber-stamp the pledged-delegate count then they really aren't needed. They're supposed to exercise independent judgment about who they think can lead the party forward to victory."

Weaver added that superdelegates don't vote until they actually go to the convention, and he considers their allegiances as movable as poll numbers.

If by the convention Sanders has "substantial momentum" and has substantially "closed the gap" in pledged delegates, Weaver said, "I think there's a strong argument to be made to superdelegates that they should take another look."

Taken from: https://www.npr.org/2016/05/19/478705022/sanders-campaign-now-says-superdelegates-are-key-to-winning-nomination

[OfTheBottom99Percent]

2. You lost me at Biden

[W_HAMILTON]

3. I'm sure I did!

[OfTheBottom99Percent]

9. So .quick with exclamation points...so slow with rationality

[W_HAMILTON]

10. Don't project!

You could have always read the evidence that was presented to you, but I can understand why you would not given that it contains several inconvenient truths for the Sanders supporters out there.

How long before you guys just resort to calling the truth that you refuse to accept "fake news!!1!" ?

[Demsrule86]

8. I am lost when I see Sanders...I turn off the TV...don't care to hear about him or listen to him...

gets my vote in a general of course...but I hope to hell we have Biden as I do no think Sanders can win a general.

[Squinch]

4. So tired of this attitude of, "What's good for ME is all that matters."

[cannabis_flower]

5. Maybe

He was right. She didn't win, did she? I know, she won the popular vote. But still didn't win.

[W_HAMILTON]

6. She was shit on by the right, the Russians, and a sizable contingent of Sanders supporters...

...who, as they do now, refused to accept reality and instead childishly lash out at Democrats and the Democratic Party.

[abqtommy]

7. I love the Brit humour/humor shown on The Guardian Politics page with the daily presentation

of new and old political cartoons. I also enjoy the fact that tRUMP is included as a subject in many
showings. Maybe we can collectively laugh these miscreants out of office since more forthright
attempts don't appear to have much effect...