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boston bean

(36,219 posts)
Fri Feb 28, 2020, 07:33 PM Feb 2020

Does the young vote really believe Bernie is going to be able

to cancel all their student debt?

What would ever make them believe he could do that?

Ok no politician tells the truth always, I thought people knew this.

If he is ever elected president they are gonna be very disappointed.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Does the young vote really believe Bernie is going to be able (Original Post) boston bean Feb 2020 OP
Yes absolutely nycbos Feb 2020 #1
I'm glad yours is SCantiGOP Feb 2020 #6
I wouldn't call them stupid. Over-idealistic, yes. Blue_true Feb 2020 #7
You didn't go to the University of Vermont nycbos Feb 2020 #21
I went to a much larger state U than the U if Vermont. Blue_true Feb 2020 #25
I wonder if they think it can all be done by executive fiat... or magic wand. NurseJackie Feb 2020 #12
bribri did a kinda magic wand commercial for it. lapucelle Feb 2020 #28
The absolutely best way to earn people's vote IronLionZion Feb 2020 #18
These people votes can't be earned. nycbos Feb 2020 #22
Or many other of his promises Watchfoxheadexplodes Feb 2020 #2
Free everything reminds me of eternal life. A good way to get people on board dem4decades Feb 2020 #3
No, what they do know is that Bernie is the only one who seems to care about the fact that student Autumn Feb 2020 #4
I've seen some interviewed and they believe he alone can do it. boston bean Feb 2020 #10
I think they are saying he's the only one willing to do it. nt Autumn Feb 2020 #19
Exactly. DanTex Feb 2020 #13
Then they are woefully uninformed BeyondGeography Feb 2020 #26
"the only one who seems to care" Rorey Feb 2020 #27
Nomsense. Happy Hoosier Feb 2020 #30
And what's Warren been saying? Or have they all been successfully SPUN into believing blm Feb 2020 #32
Several forgiveness programs have been authorizes SCantiGOP Feb 2020 #5
Those forgiveness programs didn't call for trillions in unappropriated spending. George II Feb 2020 #17
Young voters who also know how the senate works do. HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #8
I believe they think he is going to TRY. Ans I do t think they think many of the others will do Nanjeanne Feb 2020 #9
Why would they think Warren wouldn't when she is the one who blm Feb 2020 #31
Does the Trump vote really believe he'll bring back coal and steel and build the wall? IronLionZion Feb 2020 #11
Maybe you should ask some of them Cal Carpenter Feb 2020 #14
+1 ancianita Feb 2020 #15
I think they just want big changes Skittles Feb 2020 #16
2018 showed us that the youth vote does not really go for Bernie or Bernie-backed candidates. Squinch Feb 2020 #20
If he wins the nomination and beats Trump... showblue22 Feb 2020 #23
My 19 year old can't stand him. xmas74 Feb 2020 #24
They don't seem to care. Laelth Feb 2020 #29
No, her gives them more hope than true answers uponit7771 Feb 2020 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author democratisphere Feb 2020 #34
 

nycbos

(6,034 posts)
1. Yes absolutely
Fri Feb 28, 2020, 07:34 PM
Feb 2020

They are that stupid.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

SCantiGOP

(13,867 posts)
6. I'm glad yours is
Fri Feb 28, 2020, 07:44 PM
Feb 2020

a small minority opinion here.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
7. I wouldn't call them stupid. Over-idealistic, yes.
Fri Feb 28, 2020, 07:45 PM
Feb 2020

They feel strongly about some things. They are young and reality has not hit them squarely in the face yet. They see Bernie as a hero, those of us that are older and have had varied life experiences see a deeply flawed politician.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

nycbos

(6,034 posts)
21. You didn't go to the University of Vermont
Fri Feb 28, 2020, 11:24 PM
Feb 2020

I went to school with these people. This are the people who felt betrayed because Obama didn't fix everything.

I was once ALMOST as stupid them.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
25. I went to a much larger state U than the U if Vermont.
Sat Feb 29, 2020, 06:27 PM
Feb 2020

Believe me, I saw hopelessly idealist people that had completely detached from reality.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
12. I wonder if they think it can all be done by executive fiat... or magic wand.
Fri Feb 28, 2020, 07:50 PM
Feb 2020

Or... that Bernie will just print more money.

(I remember when they used to teach Civics. Clearly not any longer.... it's gone the way of learning penmanship and cursive writing.)

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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lapucelle

(18,190 posts)
28. bribri did a kinda magic wand commercial for it.
Sat Feb 29, 2020, 06:38 PM
Feb 2020

I can't find the commercial itself, just a screenshot still. How embarrassing for her.



If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

IronLionZion

(45,380 posts)
18. The absolutely best way to earn people's vote
Fri Feb 28, 2020, 08:02 PM
Feb 2020

is to call them stupid

If I were to vote in a presidential
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nycbos

(6,034 posts)
22. These people votes can't be earned.
Fri Feb 28, 2020, 11:27 PM
Feb 2020

These are the people who won't show up in November if Bernie loses the nomination to "send a message" They are privileged enough to do that.


I know because I used to be ALMOST as stupid as them.


For the record, I have a very HIGH opinion of Warren.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Watchfoxheadexplodes

(3,496 posts)
2. Or many other of his promises
Fri Feb 28, 2020, 07:38 PM
Feb 2020

A swipe of a pen won't do it and Congress or the senate would NEVER work with him.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

dem4decades

(11,270 posts)
3. Free everything reminds me of eternal life. A good way to get people on board
Fri Feb 28, 2020, 07:41 PM
Feb 2020

But good luck cashing in on it

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Autumn

(44,986 posts)
4. No, what they do know is that Bernie is the only one who seems to care about the fact that student
Fri Feb 28, 2020, 07:42 PM
Feb 2020

loans are drowning them in debt and they can't get ahead. He's already told them. I can't do it, together we can. Young people aren't stupid.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

boston bean

(36,219 posts)
10. I've seen some interviewed and they believe he alone can do it.
Fri Feb 28, 2020, 07:49 PM
Feb 2020

I guess it is nice to believe but maybe not best thing.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Autumn

(44,986 posts)
19. I think they are saying he's the only one willing to do it. nt
Fri Feb 28, 2020, 08:28 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

BeyondGeography

(39,351 posts)
26. Then they are woefully uninformed
Sat Feb 29, 2020, 06:32 PM
Feb 2020

And you should know better than to make such a ridiculous statement. Student debt relief has been at the top of Warren’s priority list since she got in the race and she devised the wealth tax to pay for it, an idea that Mr. Only One later appropriated.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Rorey

(8,445 posts)
27. "the only one who seems to care"
Sat Feb 29, 2020, 06:35 PM
Feb 2020

Even if he truly does care, caring does not translate into getting it done. The fact is, politicians make empty promises in order to get elected. Supporters of Sanders seem to be oblivious to the fact that without Congress, those promises are just empty words. Even if Sanders somehow gets elected President, if we lose the down ballot, he's going to be an ineffective President. Your dreams will not come true. Sorry.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Happy Hoosier

(7,221 posts)
30. Nomsense.
Sat Feb 29, 2020, 06:45 PM
Feb 2020

Bernie is the one promising free ponies. It’s snake oil.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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blm

(113,019 posts)
32. And what's Warren been saying? Or have they all been successfully SPUN into believing
Sat Feb 29, 2020, 06:54 PM
Feb 2020

that Bernie’s the only one?

They’re stupid, well, not stupid as much as willfully ignorant, if they believe the spin that Bernie’s the only one.

Warren is far more competent at achieving her plans than Bernie, so who is telling these kids that only Bernie cares and is the only one with the debt cancellation policy? Who in Sanders camp is lying to these kids?

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

SCantiGOP

(13,867 posts)
5. Several forgiveness programs have been authorizes
Fri Feb 28, 2020, 07:43 PM
Feb 2020

by executive order.
The worst thing that could happen would be to force the Repubs to take votes that will alienate the young voters from the GOO for a generation.
So maybe they’re not the ones that are “that stupid.”

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
17. Those forgiveness programs didn't call for trillions in unappropriated spending.
Fri Feb 28, 2020, 07:59 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

HarlanPepper

(2,042 posts)
8. Young voters who also know how the senate works do.
Fri Feb 28, 2020, 07:47 PM
Feb 2020

Those who can’t be bothered with details like that or have not been educated on it do not.

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Nanjeanne

(4,915 posts)
9. I believe they think he is going to TRY. Ans I do t think they think many of the others will do
Fri Feb 28, 2020, 07:48 PM
Feb 2020

even that.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

blm

(113,019 posts)
31. Why would they think Warren wouldn't when she is the one who
Sat Feb 29, 2020, 06:45 PM
Feb 2020

actually spent years gathering the data and formulating remedies, including the cancellation of student debt?

Guess they have been successfully spun into believing that Bernie’s the only one and Warren is a fake.

Odd, since the only person to study the issues for years, fight, formulate a plan, and actually make important changes in our economic system was......Warren.

Guess they don’t understand the difference. Maybe she speaks too softly.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

IronLionZion

(45,380 posts)
11. Does the Trump vote really believe he'll bring back coal and steel and build the wall?
Fri Feb 28, 2020, 07:49 PM
Feb 2020

Some people like to have something audacious and bold to hope for. People who don't have much, don't have much to lose.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)
14. Maybe you should ask some of them
Fri Feb 28, 2020, 07:52 PM
Feb 2020

rather than answering your own question and then talking about them like they are toddlers or idiots.

Pro Tip: Very few of them are on DU, but sometimes you can see them in the wild.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Skittles

(153,122 posts)
16. I think they just want big changes
Fri Feb 28, 2020, 07:58 PM
Feb 2020

cannot fault them for that

but then, that's why people voted for Trump

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Squinch

(50,922 posts)
20. 2018 showed us that the youth vote does not really go for Bernie or Bernie-backed candidates.
Fri Feb 28, 2020, 08:31 PM
Feb 2020

Young voters showed up for that election in record numbers. But the Our Revolution and Bernie-backed candidates got no votes. The vast majority of them were defeated, and defeated soundly.

Moderates overwhelmingly won. So it appears that the youth vote went for moderates.

So, though Bernie says he is a pied piper and millions of young people will vote for him, the evidence says that is completely untrue.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

showblue22

(1,026 posts)
23. If he wins the nomination and beats Trump...
Fri Feb 28, 2020, 11:32 PM
Feb 2020

"Establishment democrats" will be blamed not Bernie.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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xmas74

(29,671 posts)
24. My 19 year old can't stand him.
Fri Feb 28, 2020, 11:34 PM
Feb 2020

Every time she sees him she calls him an "effing liar".

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
29. They don't seem to care.
Sat Feb 29, 2020, 06:40 PM
Feb 2020

It appears that they're happy to vote for a politician who is going to fight for student loan debt relief, regardless of whether that politician can actually deliver on the promise.



-Laelth

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

uponit7771

(90,304 posts)
33. No, her gives them more hope than true answers
Sat Feb 29, 2020, 07:04 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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