Please Don't Make Us Vote for Bernie, These Carolina Voters Say

[beastie boy]

GEORGETOWN, South Carolina—Democrats will sometimes list all of the people and items they would vote for over President Donald Trump in a general election.

An inanimate object, an anonymous bus driver, a fictional character.

But that doesn’t mean some are necessarily happy about the possibility of having to vote for Bernie Sanders in November.

It’s a prospect that can tend to give away a person’s true feelings in grimaces and groans, a reluctant ‘I guess, if I have to’, grasping for words and giving a look like, ‘Let’s hope America doesn’t put me in that position.’ It’s a potential future that makes Debbie Meekins, a 55-year-old supporter of Joe Biden’s have to laugh just moments after enthusiastically watching the former vice president walk into a South Carolina campaign event this week.

“Not good, but I'd vote for him,” Meekins said about her feelings towards a Sanders general election campaign. “(It’s) one of those, I'd vote for Mickey Mouse over Trump.”

“Sadly, it is what it is,” she says. Sanders is as polarizing as Trump, “but in the other direction.”

Ahead of Saturday’s primary, some Democratic voters in South Carolina who are either undecided or support other candidates said they’ll side with the Vermont senator if he does indeed make it to the general election.

For them it’s more out of a necessity to oust the incumbent, in their minds, than because of a growing affection for the 78-year-old democratic socialist turned Democratic frontrunner. And many are not entirely convinced he’ll be able to oust the Republican from the White House if he gets the chance.

https://news.yahoo.com/please-don-t-us-vote-102815427.html

[jimfields33]

1. If I have to hold my nose for Bloomberg in the general,

They can hold their nose for Bernie. Fairs fair.

[Demsrule86]

2. But 50% of Sanders supporters won't do the same...not good. And I would say that the lack of

enthusiasm for Sanders will leave a mark.

[guillaumeb]

30. 2016 election results easily disprove this claim.

[thesquanderer]

34. If that's what you believe, then you should definitely vote for Sanders!

If you actually believe that 50% of Sanders voters won't vote for a non-Sanders Democratic candidate, then you should definitely vote for Sanders instead of Biden. Here's why...

SCENARIO #1: Biden as nominee. If you think that 50% of the Sanders voters won't support him that means candidate Biden gets 100% of the Biden voters but only 50% of what were the Sanders votes.

But since you're saying non-Sanders supporters are more willing than Sanders supporters to hold their nose and vote for whoever the Dem candidate is, that means... SCENARIO #2: candidate Sanders gets 100% of the Sanders voters AND 100% of the Biden voters. That's a lot more votes. Therefore, against Trump, he is much more likely to win!

But in fact, as 2016 showed us, the vast majority of Sanders supporters WILL vote for the Democratic nominee, so luckily, you're not going to be forced to have to vote for Sanders in the primary. Whew!

[Codeine]

14. But the undeniable fact is that

most Sandernistas won’t vote for anyone but Sanders. That’s the whole focus of the #bendtheknee campaign.

[thesquanderer]

35. If that's true, then we'd all better vote for Sanders!

If you're right, then Sanders gives us the best chance at victory.

Fully explained at my post #34.

[Codeine]

36. I don't negotiate with hostage takers. nt

[Lordquinton]

45. It's not a fact, and cannot be supported.

Never heard of that campaign.

[dware]

17. So tell that to the BernieBros who have said that if Bernie

isn't the nominee, they won't vote in the GE.

[dawg]

21. If you would really hold your nose and vote for Bloomberg, then you definitely get it.

Bernie isn't my first choice, but I'll be happy to vote for him in the general. Won't even have to hold my nose.

[jimfields33]

37. Bloomberg's the only one I'd have to hold my nose for

The rest I’d run with glee to the voting booth.

[moriah]

24. Bloomberg might require a full-on respirator, but I'd do it.

For me MB's a far harder sell than Bernie.

Doesn't mean Bernie's my first choice, though and we're entitled to have our own opinions our first choices. That's why we have primaries after all.

[cwydro]

3. I'm about to go early vote in NC.

It won’t be for Bernie.

[LakeArenal]

5. Thanks

[cwydro]

6. ...

[zackymilly]

9. NC here too. n/t

[dware]

19. Thank you cwydro.

[W_HAMILTON]

31. Time to change from Undecided then?

[cwydro]

38. I literally chose when I went in the booth.

I was undecided until that moment.

All I knew is that it would be Warren or Klobuchar.

[W_HAMILTON]

42. So, who did you end up voting for?

[cwydro]

43. Warren would have had my vote except for that late silly dig at Bloomberg's height.

That disappointed me.

I voted for Klobuchar. I like her a lot.

[LostOne4Ever]

4. In other words, they feel like we liberals have felt every time moderates won...

Not a pleasant experience is it?

But if I and others can pinch our noses and vote for the democratic nominee at those times, then these people can do so now as well.

[Squinch]

10. I guess we owe it to you, then, to vote for a candidate whose hand picked representatives

were demolished in the 2018 election? While moderates cleaned up and flipped the House blue?

Because it is hard for you when he loses?

[LostOne4Ever]

16. You will owe it to the will of the Democratic Voters

As we all do and as it has always been.

[Squinch]

20. No one ever said anything to deny that.

[Lordquinton]

46. No clue who you're talking about here

[beastie boy]

12. Actually, I doubt the response would have been the same if it was Warren.

I am assuming that by "liberal" you are bunching the supporters of Warren and Sanders into the same camp. There is no evidence that the SC voters are objecting to this encompassing definition of "liberal".

It is not liberals that they are objecting to, it's a certain type of a liberal. And they refer to him by name.

[LostOne4Ever]

23. No matter who wins there will be people feeling this way

There were Clinton supporters who felt this way when Obama won. The important thing is that we all unite at the end to defeat Trump this November.

And you are right that I am using a bit of a broad brush describing many of both Sanders and Warren voters together.

[BComplex]

13. Very well said, LostOne4Ever

That's how it has felt for so many liberals.

That said, I'd do it again if it gets rid of trump.

[Jirel]

7. So what?

Some people will say that regardless of the candidate. Close friends and I say that of Bloomberg and 2 others. Pretty biased article to make it ONLY about Bernie, when a lot of people haaaaaaaate other candidates too.

[TwilightZone]

11. Sanders supporters are the least committed to supporting other Dems.

Of the remaining candidates, Sanders supporters are, by far, the least committed to voting for other Dems if Sanders isn't nominated. In that context, it's relevant to the conversation.

Link to Emerson poll:

https://emersonpolling.reportablenews.com/pr/national-2020-biden-and-sanders-battle-in-two-way-race-for-democratic-nomination

[Lordquinton]

47. Not true at all

Sanders has the Base of the party, and they showed up in 2016 despite the hate that is heaped upon them. That poll holds zero substance, just look into the methodology, should never have been published.

I'm far more worried about the moderates because last time they didn't get their candidate they actually did vote republican in significant numbers. Fortunately Obama was solid enough to overcome that.

[beastie boy]

15. They obviously don't intend to do it in the Primaries.

But, as true Democrats, they may find themselves to be forced to vote for Bernie in the Generals.

...Did I mention that they are true Democrats, and do not intend to vote for Trump or sit it out?

[beastie boy]

22. No, I can't prove it beyond any conceivable doubt.

But the fact they don't want to vote for a part-time Democrat who has nothing but contempt for the mainstream of the Democratic Party, speaks volumes...

On edit: what kind of proof are you looking for anyway?

[beastie boy]

27. Well, well, well... you can't even articulate what will constitute proof in your mind.

Should I venture guesses of what it is for your amusement, so you can reject them at will?

Thank you, I will pass.

[beastie boy]

32. So you demand proof that you know cannot be obtained.

How'bout you going into the future and getting those screenshots proving they are NOT my precious true democrats?

Is this how you intend to win arguments? That's too clever of you for your own good, isn't it?

[George II]

44. bwahahahahaha!!!!

[ibegurpard]

26. We all feel that way about some of the candidates

[peggysue2]

28. What a surprise!

Not.

[scarytomcat]

39. I will not ever vote for a republicon

[Moderateguy]

40. I'll do what comedian John Mulaney said..

vote for the democrat even if it’s Garfield

[Cha]

41. Thank you, beastie boy!

[Lordquinton]

48. Doesn't SC have an all or nothing Electoral votes system?

And I haven't read of a blue wave sweeping the state, so all 9 of their votes will go to trump anyways. That's what they should be upset about.