Major loss tonight for Bernie Sanders.

[Yavin4]

This past week was the first week that Sanders ran as a clear front runner, and it's been a disaster. He failed miserably to broaden his movement, and huge parts of the party are expressing outright hostility to his nomination.

So far, he hasn't shown that he can move from an insurgency campaign to a clear leader.

[DonaldsRump]

1. Am feeling the Burn....the Biden Burn! n/t

[PatSeg]

6. Eugene Robinson in South Carolina

"Everywhere I go, its Biden, Biden, Biden!"

[highplainsdem]

17. +1,000,000

[Pachamama]

30. Eugene Robinson also just said on MSNBC he didn't hear many good things said about Bloomberg....

Biden is the person.....

[emmaverybo]

40. If Bloomberg cares about the party and the country, he would drop out. Same for Steyer.

[Pachamama]

44. I completely agree....

The sooner, the better....

And opening their check books for Joe....

[OrwellwasRight]

106. Is there any evidence that Bloomberg cares about "the party"?

[emmaverybo]

116. I forgot. He doesn't.

[OrwellwasRight]

118. It is quite interesting how he went from hero of the party to possibly a zero

according to the pundit class -- in less than two weeks. The fast downfall I can recall. Maybe he does great on Super Tuesday. Who knows?

[aeromanKC]

152. Well, he did commit to the Democratic party and officially registered as a Democrat

Unlike others who just use the Democratic party for personal convenience.

[calimary]

111. Steyer just did.

[emmaverybo]

117. Good man.

[PatSeg]

61. And Claire McCaskill

said that she'd talked to senators all over the country and they were very concerned after the last couple of debates and that any candidate who can't get 15% of the vote in SC needs to pull out of the race and work for one of the remaining candidates.

[MicaelS]

101. That sounds great/ n/t

[Cha]

133. Cool Cool Cool!

[PatSeg]

136. I know!!!

What a great night!

[AmericanGraffiti]

2. Wait till Tuesday

See if you are saying the same thing.

[Yavin4]

4. Still doesn't refute my statement

Since NV, Bernie had the chance to win SC and cement his nomination. He failed.

[Ace Rothstein]

5. Not really.

[AmericanGraffiti]

8. Bernie was never going to win SC

C'mon on.

SC is the establishment firewall for a reason.

See you on Tuesday night.

[Yavin4]

11. He was in a virtual tie this time last week! n/t

[mvd]

18. We've seen before that early polls overestimated Bernie's support there

Tuesday will be the much bigger day.

[jcmaine72]

122. Where? Oh, you mean "Da pollz"!

The same polls that Biden supporters are always dismissing out of hand and telling people to ignore when they show Bernie in the lead, as the did in Nevada, and as they do for Super Tuesday? Yep, da pollz.

[Cha]

135. The :Polls that were Touted around here.. they

shouldn't have been posted if they thought there was no credibility.

[LiberalFighter]

35. Establishment firewall? What?

Obama's first victory was in South Carolina. He wasn't establishment.

[iluvtennis]

77. + agree nt

[TomSlick]

36. Just curious, by "establishment," do you mean the African American vote?

Biden carried South Carolina because of overwhelming winning the AA vote.

[emmaverybo]

43. +10000

[Hekate]

63. Damn those AA voters for not knowing what's good for them!

[rpannier]

115. You know (or should know) what he meant

For the last week there's been a drumbeat of stories about large donors and super delegates who have said they will not vote for him at the convention and are urging other SDs not to as well
That is likely the establishment of which the poster is referring to

[TomSlick]

119. That doesn't track.

The post to which I responded said: "SC is the establishment firewall for a reason."

Donors and super delegates aren't what carried South Carolina, the African American vote did. I have seen another Sanders supporter tonight posting about Biden's "regional support" in the South. I worry that Sanders supporters are developing their own set of dog-whistles.

[rpannier]

137. My apologies. I re-read the above post

And you are most correct

[Pachamama]

48. If Bernie Sanders can't win SC - then he can't win the South, the Black Vote either

This is absolutely why I do not believe he will get the nomination and shouldn't

[Peregrine Took]

66. No Democrat is likely to win any state in the south. n/t

[griffi94]

82. Not true.

North Carolina, and Georgia may be in play, and Florida is in play.
President Obama carried North Carolina in 2008 and Florida in 2008 and 2012.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

98. this statement flies in the face of many Bernie arguments.

His tendency to blame Democrats is excruciating to hear. Not as bad as Gabbard, but his attacks carry more weight. There is an arrogance many are turned off by when confronted with the unpopularity of taking away private health insurance. Not to mention taking it away would be unconstitutional. Why hide these important issues til after the convention? It is going to be painful.

[GulfCoast66]

112. Bullshit. Obama won Florida both times he ran.

The base of our party here is African Americans. Get a moderate candidate who excites our base and we will win again.

We would have won the governorship last year had Bernie not come down for an unasked for rally for Gillum designed to push Bernie more than Gillum.

From then on the republicans tied the African American Gillum to socialism. And he still lost by less than .5 percent of the vote.

Democrats can win here. Bernie is poison here. Biden wins Florida by 3 percent.

[markpkessinger]

153. So are you suggesting . . .

. . . that if SAnders won the nomination, that black voters would support Trump over Sanders, or would refuse to vote? Somehow, I don't think so.

[Codeine]

93. Black Americans; famous for being the nation's "establishment."

[catbyte]

94. "Establishment firewall?" I suppose Obama in 2008 was just a fluke.

[dem4decades]

105. Well if he can't win the AA vote that is the backbone of the Democratic Party

Why celebrate?

[brush]

114. He can't win black voters. No Dem can win without black support.

That's been proven over and over.

[SidDithers]

140. You call SC an "establishment firewall" and sport an MLK avatar...

Sid

[rpannier]

113. Disagree

He didn't campaign in South Carolina
He didn't expect to do well in the state
Almost everyone expected Biden to win it
We'll see what happens on Tuesday

[lapucelle]

126. BS was there three times just this week to campaign.

MYRTLE BEACH, SC (WBTW) – As the South Carolina Democratic Primary approaches, candidates are planning their campaign stops in the Palmetto State.

Bernie Sanders’ team has announced he plans to visit the Grand Strand ahead of Saturday’s primary.

A rally will be held Wednesday at 3 p.m. at the Myrtle Beach Convention Center. Doors will open at 1:30 p.m., and the event is free.

Entry is based on a first come, first served basis.

Sanders will also be making appearances in North Charleston and Columbia ahead of the South Carolina primary.

https://www.wbtw.com/news/elections/bernie-sanders-to-hold-myrtle-beach-rally/

[mvd]

7. Congrats to Biden but still only 20 delegates projected

Super Tuesday still looms huge. What this says is Biden is still in it. Will wait until Tuesday to worry about Bernie. I didn’t think Bernie would be very close in SC.

[squirecam]

10. Biden got 20 at the top

He will net far more out of South Carolina.

[mvd]

15. Depends on the margins, which are still unknown

We know Biden won enough for an early call, but with multiple candidates in it, might not be a lot more.

[squirecam]

23. The call was immediate.

They wouldn’t have done so unless Biden was going to win going away. They would have said too early to call or something like that.

[mvd]

120. He'll get far more than the 20

But one state versus 3 so far. Biden is definitely back in it, but Super Tuesday will be very interesting and could still be big for Bernie.

[ahoysrcsm]

138. Biden is 8 delegates behind Sanders...

With one win in SC, and enough delegates in Iowa and Nevada.

Compared to Sanders, won one state, tied one state (with a Mayor), and lost one state (to a Mayor).

edit to add, Sanders lost two states so far, Iowa and South Carolina.

[mvd]

142. I still consider S.C. a tie. He won in the popular vote

If popular vote counted as it should, Hillary would be President.

Bernie still ahead in the delegates which is good for appearance. I am sure Biden people would be touting it if he was ahead.

[ahoysrcsm]

148. Huh?

You may be thinking New Hampshire tie, South Carolina Biden won the popular vote 256k to Bernie 105k.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

103. I thought Bernie would do better (25%+)... congrats to Joe on an impressive win.

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

[cstanleytech]

149. Its SC though and they tend to lean far more to the right and Biden is probably considered

to be more of a moderate to most of them where as they probably see Bernie as more of a far left candidate which means he would have a bigger hurdle to get over.
Of course the decision Bernie made to go back as a registered Independent after he failed to win the Democratic nomination in 2016 probably did not exactly help him win much loyalty with the Democratic voter base either.

[Demsrule86]

24. Sanders has gained very little in the way of Black voters and has not brought out new voters...he

would be a bad nominee for us.

[LakeArenal]

29. And alienated lots of voters.

[LiberalFighter]

38. I wonder what the Miami Latinos have to say about Sanders.

[Demsrule86]

132. He has done that.

[cstanleytech]

156. What I do not get is why he went back to being an Independent after he failed to

win the 2016 Democratic nomination if he was planning to try again in 2020.
By leaving he made it a lot harder for himself than it need to have been.

[NJCher]

85. 100+ Black Writers and Scholars Endorse Bernie Sanders

100+ Black Writers and Scholars Endorse Bernie Sanders

"A Sanders presidency would go a long way toward creating a safer and more just world," the endorsment letter states. "The commitment to free college education, the elimination of student debt which so many of our students suffer under, and the enfranchisement of incarcerated citizens, are only some of the reasons we have come to this conclusion."

The academics—including Princeton University's Keeanga-Yamahtta Taylor, Temple University's Marc Lamont Hill, Harvard University's Elizabeth Hinton, and Darrick Hamilton of Ohio State University—also noted Sanders support of a commission to study reparations for slavery and heralded his "staunch commitment to the needs of poor and working people over the course of his career" as key reasons to back his candidacy.

"In this crucible year of 2020, when so much is at stake, not only for Black people but for all people, and all life on the planet," the letter states, "we feel it imperative that we step outside of our classrooms and go beyond our campuses, to speak out on the current presidential election."

snip

and then there's this:

the latest Reuters/Ipsos national poll showed Sanders leading the Democratic primary field among black voters, with 26% who said they support Sanders. That compared to 21% for Michael Bloomberg, 20% for Joe Biden, and 14% who said they were not sure.

snip

[NNadir]

89. Given that there are many millions of black intellectuals, that's pathetic.

[NJCher]

91. are you in academia?

If you are, you should be able to whip off at least a few hundred that aren't on that list. How about it?

[NNadir]

141. You know...

...the only people here who want my resume all the time, seem to be Sanders supporting kids with pretty strong questions about my resume.

Is there any real reason that I have to educate Sanders supporters?

I recently had to put on my ignore list a really, really, really dumb guy who considered his Ph.D. in protein dynamics an exercise in - his words, not mine - "dick waving" while making idiotic comments on my intellectual credentials.

Apparently, this moron thought that because he was a "scientist," he knew all about climate change, even though he had clearly never opened a book on the subject in his narrow life.

I know the type very well.

If your claim is that because one hundred black intellectuals - who you do not list - support Sanders that therefore all black intellectuals support this tired dogmatic old white guy who hasn't changed his mind about a single thing since 1969, then clearly that says something about you and not black intellectuals.

How is it that I am required to list black intellectuals for your amusement? Who are you to me?

I get very, very, very tired of bad thinking, but let me try to address this....

There is a commonly understood practice in bad thinking called, Appeal to Authority.

A few years back, while wandering in the bowels of Princeton University's Firestone library I came across a strange little monograph in German written by a Nobel Laureate, Johaness Stark, the physicist who discovered the "Stark effect," the discovery that spectral lines were effected by magnetic fields. The effect is quite real, and remains, over a century after its discovery, an important physical fact.

The library has apparently moved the book off the shelves to "RECAP" a warehouse for books not commonly read anymore, but one can still get it if one is interested.

Here it is: Adolf Hitlers ziele und persönlichkeit, von dr. Johannes Stark

I think the University should have left it on the shelves as a lesson in appeal to authority arguments.

The book, written in 1932, before Adolf Hitler took power, which translates into "Adolf Hitler's Goals and Personality" is all about how wonderful Adolf Hitler would be for "German Science."

For further amusement, one can read the 1945 Farm Hall Transcripts where one German Nobel Laureate, Otto Hahn, tells another German Nobel Laureate, Werner Heisenberg, while they are discussing the subject of the practical results of American scientists, that he is a "second rater" whereupon Heisenberg agrees.

This may be found in the transcripts (translated into English with a foreward by Jeremy Bernstein) on page 118:

hahn: At any rate, Heisenberg, you’re just second raters and you might as well pack up.

heisenberg: I quite agree.

hahn: They are 50 years further advanced than we.

heisenberg: I don’t believe a word of the whole thing They must have spent the whole of their £500,000,000 in separating isotopes; and then it is possible.11

Hitler’s Uranium Club

The point is that it is possible to be an intellectual in one area, and be absurdly naive and even something of an idiot in another.

Here is my opinion: Senator Sanders is no intellectual, given the fact that his rhetoric is quite as simplistic as that of the orange racist in the White House. The fact that he is on the left and that he is not a racist, at least not overtly, makes him preferable, to be sure, to the orange idiot, but it is clear to me that as opposed to other Democratic candidates, he will be unable to arrest the destruction of our country.

If we wanted a left leaning President who is also a flexible thinker, we would vote for Ms. Warren, since she is intellectually and ethically very much more sophisticated than the tired old white Senator from Vermont. The tired old white Senator from Vermont rather like the MAGAT king, feels himself to be superior to all others, including the entire Democratic Party, purely an avatar of the Dunning-Kruger effect.

Now. Again. This is my opinion. It doesn't matter if I unload trucks at the West Windsor Walmart or his I am the Director of the Institute of Advanced Study, if I trim the bushes at Princeton University or if I am a tenured professor in the Materials Science and Engineering Department.

I can respect the thinking of powerful minds in one area, while completely discounting the thoughts of the same minds in other areas.

If there are 100 black intellectuals who support Senator Sanders, that's fine for them. This has nothing to do with whether Sanders would be as good a President as any of our other candidates, all of whom are quite happy to be Democrats and do not regard themselves as above the Democratic Party.

I would think we've had enough of Dunning Kruger avatars who hold themselves in high esteem, and I have no respect at all for the political opinions of any intellectual who cannot grasp this fact, no matter which giant ego they support, and no matter what their accomplishments might be. If they support Sanders, in my opinion, thinking for myself, they are fools.

Got it?

No?

Why am I not surprised?

[Pachamama]

31. Yes, lets see what Tuesday brings....

[Peregrine Took]

65. +1000

[honest.abe]

143. I predict Super Tuesday is not going to be huge delegate gain for Sanders.

After last night most of Bloomberg’s support will go tho Biden. That changes everything.

[DanTex]

3. LOL. Enjoy the next three days!

[Yavin4]

9. Bernie has to show the party that he is inevitable

And so far, he has not done so. Win a plurality by a small margin is not going to be enough to subdue the haters and doubters.

[DanTex]

14. No he doesn't. He just needs to persuade voters to vote for him.

[redstateblues]

22. Bashing Democrats is not a good strategy. As a lifelong Democrat Bernie has never done anything to

win me over. Quite the contrary

[DanTex]

25. Well, Joe Biden hasn't done anything to win me over, either.

But in the end both of us will vote for whoever the nominee is. And it's looking like Bernie.

[redstateblues]

37. If so, say goodbye to the House. Bernie and AOC will take care of that

Say hello to 4 more years of Trump

[DanTex]

42. I doubt it. Bernie's the best candidate to beat Trump. I don't see Joe holding up.

But we'll see. It doesn't matter what you or I think.

[rzemanfl]

78. Hoping for five. n/t

[NCProgressive]

79. ROFLMAO

[DanTex]

80. Interesting response, hadn't thought of that angle before.

[ehrnst]

99. Well, I've heard that before.

[TexasTowelie]

160. .

[TexasTowelie]

13. I'm planning on enjoying the entire month of March.

Today is the first pebble starting the avalanche of Bernie's failed campaign.

I guess there will always be 2024. Will he run as an independent or as a Democrat? Or will he be doing both since his Senate seat is also up for grabs that year?

[DanTex]

16. LOL. Good luck with that!

[TexasTowelie]

19. We are about to find out that most of the young supporters that came out

for the concerts to support Bernie were there to hear the music, not vote for Bernie. Remember the thread I posted about Vampire Weekend in Iowa about a month ago?

[DanTex]

27. In South Carolina. Joe's got regional appeal, I'll give him that.

[Pachamama]

33. +1000000

Same here...

[Gothmog]

159. March turned out tobe a great month for Joe

[redstateblues]

20. WooHoo! How bout Bernie's numbers with POC!

All that happy talk from you BSers about the big gains he was making with POC. That kind of weakness is a bad omen for a Sanders run for the Presidency. Bernie Sanders at the top of the ticket would be a disaster. If Bernie wins say goodbye to the House.

[DanTex]

21. LOL. Joe has regional appeal in the south. Hope he enjoys his weekend.

[squirecam]

26. You mean the AA base of the party?

No one wins without them.

[DanTex]

28. I mean the south. Not all African American voters are the same, you know...

[squirecam]

34. Yes. The south.

Where the AA voters the party relies upon get their say.

Biden also won the AA vote in Nevada. Which is not the south.

[DanTex]

39. Yes. Biden is a strong regional candidate, like I said. Doubt he'll do very well outside the south.

But we'll see!

[TexasTowelie]

161. I believe that your doubts were answered. nt

[Just_Vote_Dem]

32. TRUTH

+1000

[TwilightZone]

41. "regional appeal"

Is that an offhanded way of denigrating the AA vote?

I guess you get credit for creativity, though it's a bit transparent.

[DanTex]

45. LOL. Nice try.

It's obvious where Joe did well and where he didn't. He does well in the south, not so well outside the south. Polls and results all show the same.

[TwilightZone]

54. I've never seen anyone call him a regional candidate before.

In fact, nobody does. I doubt anyone ever has.

Since you're the first, you shouldn't be surprised if we question your motives.

Four states doesn't prove anything. It certainly doesn't prove Biden is strictly a "Southern" candidate.

[DanTex]

59. Well, I guess we know different people...

Look at the results, the polls, and a map. It's not too complicated.

[squirecam]

46. Indeed

It didn’t go well when Bill implied it about Obama.

[Happy Hoosier]

127. We will.

And I have no doubt Sanders will have a lead on Wednesday. But this will be a fight. And the likelihood Sanders will win a majority of delegates just got a lot smaller.

[zackymilly]

12. And this was with help for Operation Chaos voting. n/t

[DarthDem]

49. Exactly

I was concerned about that. No need. Whew.

[SunSeeker]

81. Per NBC exit poll, 7% were satisfied with Trump and 4% were "enthusiastic" about Trump. That's 11%!

Seems to me about 11% of the voters were with Operation Chaos. But Biden won by such a wide margin the ratfucking didn't matter. Hope the same holds true for California's open primary. I'm just worried that 2 million in CA already voted by mail weeks ago, when Biden looked shaky, and may have given Bernie an insurmountable lead.

[revmclaren]

52. That shows how popular Biden really is.

tRump hasn't a chance against him in the general election.



ONLY!!! 2020 and beyond.

[DarthDem]

90. I Believe That's Right

From your keyboard, and all that.

[George II]

47. MSNBC says he's at 11% as of now, but it's early. He may get ZERO out of 54 delegates. Biden....

...already has 20.

[SunSeeker]

84. Per NBC exit poll, 7% were satisfied with Trump and 4% were "enthusiastic" about Trump.

That's 11% Trumpers. What a coincidence!

[J_William_Ryan]

50. Nobody 'hates' Sanders.

Sanders would make an excellent president, I’d have no problem voting for him.

The problem is not enough moderate/middle of the road/fence sitting voters would do the same; those who reluctantly voted for Trump believing Clinton was ‘worse.’

Those voters are much more likely to vote for Biden than Sanders.

[OhZone]

51. Some of my friends do -

but we all say we'd vote for him over the Mango Menace.

[keithbvadu2]

53. Is SC where republicans were going to vote for Bernie?

Is SC where republicans were going to vote for Bernie?

[TwilightZone]

57. Allegedly, yes.

[Progressive2020]

55. Big Night For Biden

He has shown that his campaign still has life. I did predict this. Joe will get a surge out of tonight. It is just a question of how much going into Super Tuesday. My prediction for that is a battle between Biden and Sanders this Tuesday.

Can one get an advantage over the other, or will they split votes and delegates in the Super Tuesday contests? If they both do well but have pluralities and not majorities, the contest might continue on past Tuesday. It will be an interesting contest, a real showdown, I think.

[CrawlingChaos]

56. LOL!! See you on Tuesday

Have a nice day

[7wo7rees]

73. Here's the numbers coming on Tuesday.

https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/politics/elections/2020/02/28/super-tuesday-what-you-need-know/4882453002/

[blue-wave]

62. HUH?

Tonight we're showing unity by supporting a lifelong Democrat who is running for President in the South Carolina primary. That would be Joe Biden!!!!!!

But thank you for your concern.

[yaesu]

64. Do not gloat when your opponent falls; when they stumble, do not let your heart rejoice. nt

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[bluedye33139]

67. Does that apply to the Sanders supporters over the past few weeks?

[tarheelsunc]

71. This x 1000. eom

[blue-wave]

123. HUH?

Please see post #62 above.

[relayerbob]

68. Sanders people really need to be looking at the other progressive in the race

In the end, we'll need someone everyone can agree on

[Yavin4]

74. Too bad they declared war against her.

Sanders is a man on an island.

[Quixote1818]

69. Joe has a problem though. Several Million have already voted in Super Tuesday states

at a time Sanders was rolling from winning two in a row. I would not get too excited yet. Tuesday will tell us a lot more about what is happening. Biden has always polled better in the SE and Sanders everywhere else.

[AGeddy]

72. Only in California is there substantial early voting

[Wounded Bear]

70. Right now he's on the cusp for getting any delegates at all...nt

[blue-wave]

75. "So far, he hasn't shown that he can move from an insurgency campaign to a clear leader."

If I might take a liberty with your statement and add "in two campaigns for President."

[DaDeacon]

76. Just to be clear he's still leading the delegates,!?

[ucrdem]

83. Yes, currently Sanders 51, Joe 40, Pete 26:

https://www.npr.org/2020/02/10/799979293/how-many-delegates-do-the-2020-presidential-democratic-candidates-have

[ucrdem]

130. Now 53, 43, 26 nt

[PatrickforO]

86. We knew he'd probably lose in SC. Tuesday is coming up, so

we'll have a better idea of who is on top this coming Wednesday.

[Sparkly]

87. He's gone from grouchy to sulking again.

[SilasSouleII]

88. Bernie speakng in Virgina Beach

Looking really low energy. I'm concered about his health and the stress of the campaign so soon after his heart attack.

[zackymilly]

92. Maintaining 3 houses would stress me out too. n/t

[Tarc]

96. 124

Nice rehash of 2016 anti-Hillary talking point there, too.

[ahoysrcsm]

139. Wait, Sanders had a heart attack and surgery for two stints in 2016 as well?!?!?

Who knew, just a few weeks ago I thought it was 2019 only!?!?!

[bitterross]

95. Bernie cannot form a coalition, really inspire a movement.

One of the issues with Bernie is his history of being unable to form coalitions. His "My way or burn down the party" way of doing things.

He would be a disaster to down-ballot candidates in tight races.

I don't like him. He is not a Democrat. He only uses the Democratic Party when it is convenient for him.

[angrychair]

97. While this is a lose

Let's be realistic, Sanders is leading in polls in CA, TX, WA and OR.

What this does is make the likelyhood of a brokered convention seem even more likely.

Our two front runners, Biden and Sanders, may have to find a way forward in the convention

[captain queeg]

104. WA? Hadn't heard that

[angrychair]

108. Not a whole lot of polling

But he won the caucus in 2016 and what polling has been done has him in the lead

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/wa/washington_democratic_primary-7005.html

[mahannah]

100. Nonsense.

[zak247]

102. Bernie's Bill 97 TRILLION

Black people in SC just know Bernie is too pie in the sky. Promises he won't ever be able to keep. Below is an article from Daily Beast detailing the trillions Bernie thinks he can get to do all of what he claims he can do.



https://www.thedailybeast.com/in-bernie-land-dollar42-trillion-in-revenue-pays-for-dollar97-trillion-in-spending?ref=home

In Bernie Land, $42 Trillion in Revenue Pays for $97 Trillion in Spending

By Brian Riedl

First, it is worth noting that Sanders’ spending promises total as much as $97.5 trillion over the decade.

Sanders concedes that his Medicare For All plan would increase federal spending by “somewhere between $30 and $40 trillion over a 10-year period.” He has promised to spend $16.3 trillion on his climate plan.

And his proposal to guarantee all Americans a full-time government job paying $15 an hour, with full benefits, is estimated to cost $30.1 trillion.

The final $11.1 trillion includes $2.5 trillion on housing, $1.8 trillion to expand Social Security, $1.6 trillion on paid family leave, $1 trillion on infrastructure, $3 trillion to forgive all student loans and guarantee free public-college tuition, $800 billion on general K-12 education spending, and an additional $400 billion on higher public school teacher salaries.

Bernie must get a huge Democratic Senate and Congress to even have a chance to get these trillions of dollars.
Its actually kind of ridiculous to think he can get all that money from the antihuman GOP.

[Buzz cook]

107. I disagree

Biden has been pouring money in S.C. for a long time. As he said, or didn't say depending on when you asked him, S>C> was his firewall.
So the focus on a single state out of the first four pretty much guarantees a top finish.

But we should note there are lots of states ahead. Will Iowa Biden show up or South Carolina Bide? We have yet to see.

Oh as a side note its interesting that you're framing this as a defeat for Sanders rather than a victory for Biden.

[peoli]

109. See you on Tuesday

[ejbr]

110. Let's check back on Wednesday n/t

[grantcart]

121. More addition by subtraction

Doubt he will have as many votes in 2020 as 2016.

What a movement

[bucolic_frolic]

124. I've said for a week

Sanders has peaked. Call it a fade, underperformance, inability to build on positives. There is simply a bit of not-so-fast in voters' minds. Frontrunner status brings extra scrutiny, and voters find things they don't like but previously ignored.

It is also very difficult for a candidate running an insurgency campaign to be the frontrunner becauase insurgency implies constant dislike - even anger - at the status quo. Well, an insurgent in the lead becomes part of that status quo.

[Yavin4]

129. This is what I am talking about. Thank you.

Look, Bernie will probably head to the convention with the highest number of delegates, but that's all. He cannot persuade all factions of the Democratic party to follow him. He's incapable of doing so. He's running an angry campaign, and angry campaigns have limited appeal.

[Olafjoy]

125. The moderate republican women in my book club in AZ

Would easily vote for Biden or Bloomberg. They hate orange cheetolini. They could not be counted on to vote for Bernie. These are women who voted for McCain. This is the view from my suburban Arizona neighborhood. You may not like me saying this. Sorry.

[Gothmog]

128. Warren calling Bernie Sanders a massive failure. Fails to get things passed

Link to tweet

[betsuni]

134. Good!

[emmaverybo]

131. Because he can only lead a movement--his--the revolution. So what is his message for

Americans who don’t believe in his vision? He has never given any sign that he can lead Americans, all who care about democracy, across diverse groups and the political spectrum.

[NurseJackie]

144. I simply can't support anyone who opposes the Democratic Party the same as they oppose the GOP...

I simply can't support anyone who opposes the Democratic Party the same as they oppose the GOP... and then tries to convince me that they deserve to be the "leader" of the Democratic Party in the very next breath. It makes me suspicious.

[Progressive dog]

145. I'm not crying any tears for Bernie.

Populism and the politics of division are what I want to see replaced, not repositioned to the left. Bernie runs against the Democratic establishment, by which he seems to mean any Democrat who doesn't support his utopian fantasies. Unless Bernie becomes a Democrat instead of Democrats becoming his followers, he won't win the Presidency as a Democrat. He already knows he can't win as a "progressive."
If he really wants Trump gone, he would withdraw.

[Gothmog]

146. sanders supporters are upset

Link to tweet

?s=20

[BComplex]

147. Then it's time for Elizabeth Warren and Amy Klobuchar to step up!

It's going to take a woman to change things in Washington.

[krakfiend]

150. you guys are really that scared of Bernie?

I'm voting for Warren on Tuesday. but if he gets the nom, he gets the nom. i'm not afraid of his policies, because to me, they are very similar to Warren, and they resonate well with more people. that's why his grassroots campaign has grown so huge, why he has such a large turnout. why he has been able to collect so much fundraising. but i think Warren would be a better president. you guys talk a lot of trash about Bernie, but it took 32 years, two presidential nominations, for Biden to get his first, first primary win. you guys act like he just won the presidency. you guys are funny.

[bucolic_frolic]

151. An insurgent often does not lead well

An insurgent needs to climb a wall of worry, to attack the mainstream by being an insurgent. So yes, when they get to the front and their strategy has propelled them to the front, there's not much there there.

[sellitman]

154. Bernie could destroy Biden in Cali

If he does Biden will have a huge uphill battle.

Bernie is still in the drivers seat IMHO

[johnthewoodworker]

155. Joe was projected to win S. Carolina. Joe won S. Carolina. So this shows that Bernie

cannot hold a lead, or win, or is incompetent. I don't see that as a valid conclusion. After super Tuesday things will be clearer.