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highplainsdem

(62,134 posts)
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 12:05 PM Mar 2020

Krystal Ball just accused Warren of abandoning economic populism in favor of "gender tokenism"

Krystal Ball is one of the loudest Sanders supporters around.

Her tweet:






Abandoning economic populism in favor of gender tokenism has been a disaster for Warren. It truly makes me sad to watch her now trying to actively harm the progressive movement in hopes of being Biden’s VP or whatever.




Comment on this from Warren supporter Tom Watson:






"Gender tokenism." This is what the Sanders crowd really thinks about Elizabeth Warren. Incredible.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Krystal Ball just accused Warren of abandoning economic populism in favor of "gender tokenism" (Original Post) highplainsdem Mar 2020 OP
Some of Sanders's supporters are just vile. IluvPitties Mar 2020 #1
Yep, and yet he hires them / doesn't disown their vile comments MH1 Mar 2020 #17
Only a hair less disgusting than Nina Turner. hlthe2b Mar 2020 #2
+1 Vivienne235729 Mar 2020 #3
Having to listen to her 2naSalit Mar 2020 #20
Deplorable IronLionZion Mar 2020 #4
She's so awful. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2020 #5
A few of his supporters IluvPitties Mar 2020 #6
I think their self described term squirecam Mar 2020 #13
True believers: highplainsdem Mar 2020 #16
👍 NurseJackie Mar 2020 #24
That Deplorable Statement Is Just So Krystal Ball Me. Mar 2020 #7
I don't even know what "gender tokenism" is. Put two words together and add "ism" to anything? George II Mar 2020 #8
I think what she's trying to say, which is bullshit, The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2020 #12
Or economic populism Walleye Mar 2020 #30
The Sanders crowd just continues to shine. nt Codeine Mar 2020 #9
The Senator from Massachusetts who beat an MaryMagdaline Mar 2020 #10
+1000 OKNancy Mar 2020 #11
What has Sanders ever done really? Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #19
I'm told he's the amendment king, or something. NurseJackie Mar 2020 #25
I think BS was king durinfg his time in the House. lapucelle Mar 2020 #51
This is such a disgusting smear from Ball Docreed2003 Mar 2020 #14
It's just a Russian bot.... MrsCoffee Mar 2020 #15
Ah, gotta love supporters of the "unity" candidate. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #18
+1 2naSalit Mar 2020 #21
sanders supporters are upset Gothmog Mar 2020 #22
..... I can't think of anything to say. yardwork Mar 2020 #23
She's not some one I'd duforsure Mar 2020 #26
Krystal Ball wants... Mike Nelson Mar 2020 #27
I had no idea Krystal Ball was like this. spicysista Mar 2020 #28
Oh yeah.. she's been doing Cha Mar 2020 #57
Ball is irrelevant evertonfc Mar 2020 #29
Pardon me for saying so, but she seems misguided. dchill Mar 2020 #31
And what is a "corporate Democrat"? Walleye Mar 2020 #32
Anyone who isn't Bernie. comradebillyboy Mar 2020 #37
I've been wondering for some time now: Mister Ed Mar 2020 #33
I just had a look at the twitter responses on Ball's feed and they're nuttier than a bag of cats ! OnDoutside Mar 2020 #34
Love Krystal Ball! Why is that MAN telling a WOMAN what to say and not to say! Fran2020 Mar 2020 #35
krystal ball doesn't know what she's talking about. Cha Mar 2020 #38
Because She's Dishonest & Shouldn't Be Saying Anything Me. Mar 2020 #39
She should speak up and speak the TRUTH! She's a great progressive Democrat. Fran2020 Mar 2020 #41
So Then, Why Not Ask Her Who Was The Only One Who... Me. Mar 2020 #44
Is Krystal Ball's PAC a fresh approach or a get-rich scheme? lapucelle Mar 2020 #50
When she starts speaking the truth, let us know. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #52
But she didn't she just spouted some gibberish! whistler162 Mar 2020 #58
Krystal Ball is a "man"? SHE is telling a woman, Warren, what to say and not to say. George II Mar 2020 #46
Check out the financials for Ball's PAC (People's House Project) on Open Secrets. lapucelle Mar 2020 #54
I did about a week or so ago. Before she virtually shut down "The People's House".... George II Mar 2020 #55
He didn't tell her what to say or what not to say. lapucelle Mar 2020 #49
He's doing her favor.. will she listen? Cha Mar 2020 #56
This will not end when the primary is over samir.g Mar 2020 #36
They don't seem to want to use "identity politics" anymore, so have to think up betsuni Mar 2020 #40
Somebody's krystal [sic] ball is smudged and giving a bad view of reality. Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2020 #42
Smudged! Me. Mar 2020 #45
Hey, I wear glasses; I know how smudges can distort perception of reality. ... Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2020 #48
I prefer using the Magic 8-Ball: George II Mar 2020 #47
Gosh, if you alienate everyone in the party, then how do you negotiate through a brokered Yavin4 Mar 2020 #43
That's just insane. This Sanders team values TALK over real action. Idiots. blm Mar 2020 #53
 

IluvPitties

(3,185 posts)
1. Some of Sanders's supporters are just vile.
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 12:08 PM
Mar 2020
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MH1

(19,156 posts)
17. Yep, and yet he hires them / doesn't disown their vile comments
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 12:30 PM
Mar 2020

Really reflects badly on Sanders as a leader.

(not that it's new)

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hlthe2b

(113,947 posts)
2. Only a hair less disgusting than Nina Turner.
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 12:10 PM
Mar 2020
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2naSalit

(102,778 posts)
20. Having to listen to her
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 12:34 PM
Mar 2020

is reason enough to not vote for Bernie. And that's aside from listening to his monotone yelling.

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The Velveteen Ocelot

(130,516 posts)
5. She's so awful.
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 12:14 PM
Mar 2020

Why does Sanders attract such nasty people?

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IluvPitties

(3,185 posts)
6. A few of his supporters
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 12:18 PM
Mar 2020

are the left-wing deplorables. Aggressive, fanatical people.

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Me.

(35,454 posts)
7. That Deplorable Statement Is Just So Krystal Ball
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 12:18 PM
Mar 2020

Does BS really not care what his supporters say on his behalf?

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George II

(67,782 posts)
8. I don't even know what "gender tokenism" is. Put two words together and add "ism" to anything?
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 12:19 PM
Mar 2020

She's unbelievable.

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The Velveteen Ocelot

(130,516 posts)
12. I think what she's trying to say, which is bullshit,
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 12:23 PM
Mar 2020

is that Warren is playing the gender card, but we all know that the only thing that matters is economic equality because that, according to the Sandernistas' ideology, will solve all of society's problems. Once there are no more billionaires there will be no more racism, sexism or other forms of discrimination and we'll all be happy on our collective farms singing The Internationale as we hoe potatoes in perfect equality.

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Walleye

(44,797 posts)
30. Or economic populism
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 02:00 PM
Mar 2020

What the hell is populism, anyway?

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Codeine

(25,586 posts)
9. The Sanders crowd just continues to shine. nt
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 12:19 PM
Mar 2020
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MaryMagdaline

(7,964 posts)
10. The Senator from Massachusetts who beat an
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 12:22 PM
Mar 2020

Incumbent Republican and created the Consumers Affair Bureau is a TOKEN??

Jeezuz, how disgusting, Krystal

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Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
19. What has Sanders ever done really?
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 12:33 PM
Mar 2020
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NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
25. I'm told he's the amendment king, or something.
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 01:53 PM
Mar 2020

But that's basically tacking-on to the hard work that others have done in laying the foundation for creating and nurturing a successful bill. Grabbing on to something that's likely to pass anyway is not really what I would personally consider to be something worth bragging about. All I'm saying is that as far as accomplishments go, being known for tacking-on a lot of amendments is hardly as impressive as writing or cosponsoring a bill; and creating a coalition; and making compromises; and reaching across the aisle; and making deals; and finding common ground; and showing the leadership skills needed; and shepherding the whole shebang through to its successful conclusion.

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lapucelle

(21,061 posts)
51. I think BS was king durinfg his time in the House.
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 08:42 PM
Mar 2020
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Docreed2003

(18,714 posts)
14. This is such a disgusting smear from Ball
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 12:27 PM
Mar 2020

Warren deserves better. She is an amazing woman, she was the candidate who actually had plans for paying for her progressive agenda, and she's rewarded for it by being trashed by people like Ball.

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MrsCoffee

(5,825 posts)
15. It's just a Russian bot....
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 12:29 PM
Mar 2020

No real Sanders supporters would ever act like this....

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TwilightZone

(28,836 posts)
18. Ah, gotta love supporters of the "unity" candidate.
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 12:31 PM
Mar 2020

I always find it interesting that Sanders supporters insist that he's the one to unify the party when people like Krystal Ball consistently prove the opposite.

For that matter, so does Sanders. It's part of the strategy which makes the unity talk all the more ridiculous.

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Gothmog

(179,822 posts)
22. sanders supporters are upset
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 12:47 PM
Mar 2020
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yardwork

(69,360 posts)
23. ..... I can't think of anything to say.
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 12:50 PM
Mar 2020
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duforsure

(11,885 posts)
26. She's not some one I'd
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 01:56 PM
Mar 2020

Be concerned about her opinion, especially about Senator Warren.

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Mike Nelson

(10,943 posts)
27. Krystal Ball wants...
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 01:57 PM
Mar 2020

... Elizabeth Warren to fail and drop out of the race. She's the person whose departure may benefit Bernie most... Krystal wants Warren to drop in the polls, votes, and leave.

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spicysista

(1,731 posts)
28. I had no idea Krystal Ball was like this.
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 01:59 PM
Mar 2020

I used to see her on MSNBC's, "The Cycle". Disappointing.

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Cha

(319,067 posts)
57. Oh yeah.. she's been doing
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 05:35 AM
Mar 2020

This for awhile now.

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evertonfc

(1,713 posts)
29. Ball is irrelevant
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 01:59 PM
Mar 2020

who cares what she thinks.

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dchill

(42,660 posts)
31. Pardon me for saying so, but she seems misguided.
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 02:05 PM
Mar 2020
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Walleye

(44,797 posts)
32. And what is a "corporate Democrat"?
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 02:05 PM
Mar 2020
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comradebillyboy

(10,955 posts)
37. Anyone who isn't Bernie.
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 05:37 PM
Mar 2020
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Mister Ed

(6,927 posts)
33. I've been wondering for some time now:
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 02:18 PM
Mar 2020

Who is this Krystal Ball person I occasionaly read about on DU, and why do I care what she says?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

OnDoutside

(20,868 posts)
34. I just had a look at the twitter responses on Ball's feed and they're nuttier than a bag of cats !
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 02:21 PM
Mar 2020

Some of the stuff













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Fran2020

(40 posts)
35. Love Krystal Ball! Why is that MAN telling a WOMAN what to say and not to say!
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 02:24 PM
Mar 2020
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Undecided
 

Cha

(319,067 posts)
38. krystal ball doesn't know what she's talking about.
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 06:06 PM
Mar 2020
Abandoning economic populism in favor of gender tokenism has been a disaster for Warren. It truly makes me sad to watch her now trying to actively harm the progressive movement in hopes of being Biden’s VP or whatever
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Me.

(35,454 posts)
39. Because She's Dishonest & Shouldn't Be Saying Anything
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 06:14 PM
Mar 2020
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Fran2020

(40 posts)
41. She should speak up and speak the TRUTH! She's a great progressive Democrat.
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 06:26 PM
Mar 2020
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Undecided
 

Me.

(35,454 posts)
44. So Then, Why Not Ask Her Who Was The Only One Who...
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 06:38 PM
Mar 2020

Made Money Off Her People's Project? That was certainly a progressive move for her bank account. Also, she used to say Tim Ryan was the best candidate ever, but now that's she's hooked on onto BS, no so much.

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lapucelle

(21,061 posts)
50. Is Krystal Ball's PAC a fresh approach or a get-rich scheme?
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 08:25 PM
Mar 2020
A new Democratic group — one with support from Democratic congressmen and three of the biggest names in the tech industry — is testing the boundary between a new approach to politics and a self-enriching scam.

When the People’s House Project launched last May, founder Krystal Ball billed it as an organization that would defy old conventions and show Democrats a new model for winning campaigns. The former MSNBC host said her political action committee would support longshot candidates who embraced economic populism and lacked a political background — the kind of office-seekers who normally don’t receive support from party leaders.

But thus far, nobody has benefited more financially from the group than Ball herself. Of the $445,000 Ball raised for the group, she paid herself more than a third of that — $174,000 — in salary, according to documents filed with the Federal Election Commission. The majority of her salary — $104,000 — came in the first three months of this year alone. That’s nearly eight times more than the nearly $22,000 the PHP has used to support its dozen endorsed candidates, some of whom have received just a single $1,000 contribution.

snip==============================================================================

Political groups with a glaring discrepancy between personal salaries and candidate contributions are often deemed so-called “Scam PACs,” a type of organization that enriches its founders while doing little to assist the cause or candidate they purportedly support. And indeed, when presented with the FEC data by McClatchy, several of PHP’s donors and supporters reacted with anger, going so far as to withdraw their endorsement and contributions.

snip===============================================================================
Ball also paid her own salary in fits and starts, something she says happened because of the group’s early uneven fundraising. When she received Hughes’s $50,000 contribution on December 21st, for example, she paid herself $25,000 the same day.

On a single day this year, March 1, she received $61,000 total in salary, according to FEC reports.

Ball said her annual salary should be $15,000 a month (or $180,000 annually) and that the extra money she made in the first three months of this year was back pay for last year’s efforts.
(Her executive director, Moffett, should make a salary of $120,000 annually, she said.)

Pressed why her group hasn’t paid more money directly to candidates, she said PHP plans to eventually maximize a $5,000 contribution to all of its endorsed candidates. She said the group will “probably” also begin an independent expenditure campaign to help some of its candidates
.
https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/article210775574.html

You can find all the details at Open Secret. In the 2018 cycle, the top recipient of the donations was Ball herself at $279,333 in salary.

https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/expenditures.php?cycle=2018&cmte=C00639997
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TwilightZone

(28,836 posts)
52. When she starts speaking the truth, let us know.
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 08:44 PM
Mar 2020

So far, she's just spouted a bunch of hyperbolic nonsense.

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whistler162

(11,155 posts)
58. But she didn't she just spouted some gibberish!
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 07:14 AM
Mar 2020
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George II

(67,782 posts)
46. Krystal Ball is a "man"? SHE is telling a woman, Warren, what to say and not to say.
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 06:47 PM
Mar 2020
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lapucelle

(21,061 posts)
54. Check out the financials for Ball's PAC (People's House Project) on Open Secrets.
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 08:53 PM
Mar 2020

Even though Ball was tight with the purse strings when it came to candidates, she did manage to send a third party hopeful $9000+.

https://ballotpedia.org/Kate_Browning

https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/pacgot.php?cycle=2018&cmte=C00639997

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George II

(67,782 posts)
55. I did about a week or so ago. Before she virtually shut down "The People's House"....
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 09:04 PM
Mar 2020

...their expenditures were $823,000. Of that the recipients were:

BALL, KRYSTAL $321,000 (39%)
MOFFETT, JOHN $150,000 (18%)
JOHNSON, TOM $65,700 (8%)
PERRY, JAMES $55,400 (7%)

72% were paid to her and her three cohorts.

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lapucelle

(21,061 posts)
49. He didn't tell her what to say or what not to say.
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 08:11 PM
Mar 2020
"Gender tokenism." This is what the Sanders crowd really thinks about Elizabeth Warren. Incredible


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Cha

(319,067 posts)
56. He's doing her favor.. will she listen?
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 10:26 PM
Mar 2020
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samir.g

(836 posts)
36. This will not end when the primary is over
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 02:40 PM
Mar 2020

bros will be trying to hound Warren out of the senate for years.

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betsuni

(29,075 posts)
40. They don't seem to want to use "identity politics" anymore, so have to think up
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 06:16 PM
Mar 2020

another way to do the "It's not enough to say 'I'm a woman, vote for me!'" insult -- gender tokenism!

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Hermit-The-Prog

(36,631 posts)
42. Somebody's krystal [sic] ball is smudged and giving a bad view of reality.
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 06:29 PM
Mar 2020
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Me.

(35,454 posts)
45. Smudged!
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 06:39 PM
Mar 2020
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Hermit-The-Prog

(36,631 posts)
48. Hey, I wear glasses; I know how smudges can distort perception of reality. ...
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 07:04 PM
Mar 2020

When my son called me over to photograph my first grandchild, I took a very nice photo of a doll in a craddle while wondering why everyone was giggling. (Is she always this still when sleeping?)

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George II

(67,782 posts)
47. I prefer using the Magic 8-Ball:
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 06:49 PM
Mar 2020
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Yavin4

(37,182 posts)
43. Gosh, if you alienate everyone in the party, then how do you negotiate through a brokered
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 06:32 PM
Mar 2020

convention?

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blm

(114,656 posts)
53. That's just insane. This Sanders team values TALK over real action. Idiots.
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 08:46 PM
Mar 2020

And they are convincing others that their talk has value that the significant actions taken by Warren are to be ignored.

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