So I have been undecided since Harris dropped. Nina Turner flipped me

[rufus dog]

California voter. Voted for Bernie in the 2016 primary. Mainly to push Clinton further left. As of 12 hours ago I was going with my heart and Warren. This morning Turner got on MSNBC and was straight up obnoxious. So she converted me. To a Biden supporter. Never had him above three, at best, of my choices. Time to unite.

Message to Turner, best not to belittle other Dems. For the last four years I have to get up and see an obnoxious asshole on my TV. I don’t want to hear him nor you for the next four years.

Off to update my choice.

[writes3000]

1. Thanks, RD. Feel the exact same way about Nina.

If it comes down to Bernie, I will support our nominee but Nina Turner makes it TOUGH to feel good about endorsing her by association.

[Stallion]

2. Ha! I Saw Her This Morning and Immediately turned to Local News

[Lonestarblue]

63. Nina Turner is one of the reasons I do not support Bernie.

Campaign staff reflect the candidate, and the Sanders staff has been downright nasty and dishonest at times.

[trueblue2007]

70. i saw her too and i agree with what you said. Nina Turner is a witch. SHE HATED HILLARY.

[PatSeg]

3. Well said

We've had enough meanness and ridicule. We're looking for civility and compassion. Running as a Democrat and against Democrats at the same time, isn't a winning combination. I am so tired of anger and yelling.

Welcome to the Biden family!

[dweller]

4. that's damn beautiful dog !

rufus 👍🏻

✌🏼

[madaboutharry]

5. Nina Turner is a divisive person.

She has no filter. She doesn’t seem to have the ability to stop and say to herself “Hmmm, what I am about to say is really obnoxious. Maybe I should say something different.” She drives people away.

[CousinIT]

6. I saw Ms. Turner on MSNBC this morning. She was obnoxious.

I was already Biden. She just convinced me further.

Besides voting for the person who can beat Trump, there's who they'll bring with them into their administrations. That has to also be considered. Then there are the downballot races we need to protect.

[LizBeth]

7. Biden was four on my list. I am all behind him now.

[Demsrule86]

8. Welcome, and thanks for supporting Biden. I don't like Nina. she is such a disappointment to me...

I voted for her in Ohio and the Clinton's supported her...she is a backstabber and hates Democrats.

[Celerity]

10. and at the top of the list to be the Bernie VP

[Frustratedlady]

9. I agree. I forget who she supported in the last election, but she turned me off at that time...

and I've never been able to listen to even a few seconds of her rants.

[Celerity]

11. she refuses to say, so that more than likely means Stein

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[Frustratedlady]

13. More the reason. Thanks!

[renate]

31. That was super professional. Color me impressed

I look forward to a return of grace and measured self-expression to the White House.

[Celerity]

33. she seems nice

Don’t bring it here @neeratanden. You don’t want to do this dance. It’s because of mean, hateful neo-liberals like you that we have Trump in the White House. Own your sh*t. Don’t ever come for me. I only had one momma and she’s dead.

[renate]

35. Lol! "She seems nice" was what I was originally going to write!

I should’ve!

[lark]

43. Turner was all in f or Stein, explicity trying to get Clinton to lose.

She is a horrible person and a big part of the reason why I now disdain Bernie. He is not who he pretends to be or he'd never have a drumpf enabler as his top surrogate and probate VP running mate if he wins.

[HarlanPepper]

12. Thank you.

[Cha]

14. Thank you, rufus! this is so damn refreshing

to see others' opinions of her is exactly like mine.

And, Thank you for supporting Joe Biden!

[LiberalBrooke]

15. I just updated to Biden also.

Let’s get together Democrat’s and take our country back!

[iluvtennis]

16. Understand completely how Nina Turner with the rude/nasty attitude would flip you. nt

[BadgerMom]

17. So many similarities.

I also voted Bernie in the California primary in 2016, also to push HRC further left. I, too, planned to vote Warren in the primary this year because her positions are closest to mine and she is amazing. I can’t quite let go of that idea. However, I’m wavering.

I vote in New Mexico now. Our primary is in June. I’m going to see how things look then. It will be Warren or Biden for me.

[rwsanders]

18. Bad precendent to set. Better to vote on issues.

I was on the fence in 2016, and then took the Hillary supporters advice and judged her based on her supporters to make my final decision.

[dansolo]

39. It is related to the issues

Nina is a major figure in Bernie's campaign, and would very likely be a prominent firgure in a Sanders administration. How you behave relects how you will govern. A disfunctional administration will get no closer to achieving the goals of addressing the issues that concern all of us.

[rwsanders]

66. Not addressing issues is probably my primary concern.

Environmental issues have been on the back burner and the last major legislation was OPA-90.
Too late now for more stalling. Time for something different.

[Joinfortmill]

19. Welcome aboard the Biden train!

[SunSeeker]

20. Yes, time to return to decency. nt

[TomSlick]

21. Mark my words.

If Sanders wins the nomination, Nina Turner will be his VP pick.

[ehrnst]

68. She has demonstrated the requisite fealty.

Link to tweet

[TomSlick]

73. Fealty is a good word.

I call it obsequiousness.

[Rural_Progressive]

22. I love Liz

but if Joe will work to gracefully hand off the mantle of power to the generations behind we, the Boomers, than I can get behind him. The way he's interacting with Pete, Kamala, and Beto gives me hope that he will empower them and put them in places of power.

This is what needs to happen, we Boomers have had our time, it's time to bring the generations behind us into the fold and if Joe will do that I'm okay with Joe.

[cilla4progress]

24. Just

great. Thank you. As a boomer.

[PurpleThinker]

34. Liz was a top pick...

...but I think it may not be the time for a woman to win. Hopefully it soon will be.

I agree with you about Joe. He wasn't my top pick, but I'm hoping that he'll pick a VP who will add some progressive ideas to his candidacy (and, hopefully, someone a bit younger who will be able to follow after him). I wish he was a bit more progressive, but I think he's willing to be flexible, so there's hope.

As for Bernie, he can be nasty: "You don't have the microphone, so shut up!" - which is not something I really want in a President. In addition, I am concerned about his health problems, and his being a bit too far left.

Bloomberg has some good ideas, and has been successful at doing some positive things in NY. But I don't feel comfortable with voting for a person who decided to bypass monetary support from the people and only use his own money for his campaign. It makes me feel like he's trying to buy the Presidency.

So, later today, it looks like I'll be voting for Biden! (I really hadn't totally decided until after I read this thread and I was about to write this post.)

[cilla4progress]

23. Well said.

Haven't been able to articulate it that well!

[orleans]

25. i don't know who nina turner is

so i googled--she works with bernie's campaign from what i saw on google.

so, my question is how did she turn you off from warren?

(it's late and i've had a stressful day but i just don't follow what you're saying. please help. thanks)

[rufus dog]

28. She is Bernie's Campaign Manager

Somewhat unprovoked she decided to be a Snarky Obnoxious POS.

Like tRump she is obnoxious and annoying. So rather than congratulating Biden and moving on she had to be snarky and stated congrats to Joe for winning his first Primary EVER.

Her attitude convinced me that team Bernie doesn't have a fucking clue what it will take to eliminate tRump. If America is going to vote for loud mouthed, obnoxious assholes, they will go with the Republicans.

[True Blue American]

55. Nina Turner is a former State Senator from Ohio.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nina_Turner

[TexasTowelie]

26. Nina Turner is a blessing

to the Biden campaign.

[grantcart]

27. She could be our MVP

[BootinUp]

76. Lol. Nt

[stlstdg]

29. Nina Turner is one of the most obnoxious and abrasive people on cable news.

She's condescending and arrogant, and is one of the most stark examples of a talking head
who uses loudness and rudeness as a camouflage for the fact that she never knows
what she's talking about.

[amuse bouche]

30. Like so many of Sanders' surrogates, Turner is awful

[cstanleytech]

32. Next election they need a "Whichever Democrat wins the nomination" option for people like me.

[stopbush]

36. Nina Turner - worst surrogate, EVER!

[kwenu]

37. Nina's seething contempt converts all of us NOT to support Bernie Sanders!

[hlthe2b]

38. I wonder how many more like you, Turner has turned away from Sanders. I find her the worst,

most divisive and generally obnoxious campaign spokesperson to come along in a long time. And that is after being numbed by Trump's ilk for years.

Bernie is obviously oblivious to the damage she is doing. Which does bring to mind, who else would he bring into his administration like her?

[robbedvoter]

40. that's exactly what David Plouffe tweeted!

Link to tweet

[drmeow]

41. what does Nina Turner

Have to do with Warren?

[rufus dog]

57. She has nothing to do with Warren.

I like her a lot. Thing is can she get enough momentum to win? At this point I am betting no. Had anyone other than Bloomberg or Bernie been leading then she had my vote. My decision was it is not worth the risk of neither Warren or Biden passing the 15% threshold so I’m going with Joe.

Not fair for Warren that she got impacted by Bernie and Turner, but reality.

[drmeow]

60. thanks for the clarification nt

[musette_sf]

42. "Mainly to push Clinton further left"

EXACTLY what I was thinking in 2016 when Sen Sanders announced. That was all I expected and wanted from him. But by the time of the 2016 primary, I'd already been hounded online on various social media outlets by those I will call "Bros", which pushed me to vote for Sec'y Clinton.

[lillypaddle]

44. Snap!

Turner strikes me the same way - can't stand BS or her.

Good for you. Ridin' for Biden, upward and onward!

[WhereAmerica]

45. Completely agree about Nina Turner

There was a rumor that gave me chills: that Bernie might consider her for VP if he got the nomination.

With people like Nina as a spokesperson, Bernie is showing his true colors: it's us versus everyone else, including progressive, non-Socialist Dems.

[DanTex]

46. You do realize that calling Nina Turner "obnoxious" is literally "belittling other Dems".

[Jakes Progress]

48. Really reaching there.

But you know what the OP meant, and we know you know.

Let's say you call me a dirty, corporate rat who hurts children and a bigot, then I say you are mean to say things like that which aren't true. It is not bad of me to point out what you did, and it does not excuse you for having done it in the first place.

If you steal my care, and I take it back, that doesn't make me a thief.

[DanTex]

50. How? Nina Turner is a Dem, and attacking her is attacking a Dem, by definition.

I have no idea what she said, but I highly doubt she called anyone a "dirty, corporate rat who hurts children and a bigot".
She probably stated opinions that others might disagree with.

[Jakes Progress]

52. So you defend her without knowing what she said.

That tells us a lot.

Keep this up. This type of behavior and evasion is exactly what Biden needs for people to see.

If you want the things that Bernie advocates, vote for Biden and get rid of trump.

[DanTex]

53. You attack her without know what she said. I'm just pointing out that, by definition,

attacking Nina Turner is attacking a Dem. There's no ambiguity there.

And don't worry, I'm voting for whoever the nominee is against Trump. But if we want to be united as a party against Trump, then attacking other Dems, or their supporters, is probably not a great idea.

[Jakes Progress]

75. Irony seems to escape you.

But if you vote for the Democratic candidate, that's okay. Humor isn't everything.

[Haggis for Breakfast]

74. Turner isn't running for office right now.

Given the way she runs her mouth, she's made herself fair game.

[Cha]

77. No

[wryter2000]

47. I hope someone in the Sanders campaign gets the message

At this point, his policies don't matter to me. I'm just sick of being insulted, and he did it himself yesterday by telling me I was part of an establishment plot against him. So, don't tell me it's only some of his supporters.

Of course, I'll vote for him if he gets the nomination, but until then, I'll do what I can to make someone else the nominee because if he can alienate me so thoroughly, he can do it to large segments of the voting population.

[Jakes Progress]

49. I like most of Bernie's ideas,

but he cannot deliver on any of them - none. He lacks the skill to make things happen.

And we must worry that Turner is the type of person he will call on to fill his cabinet and will make up the bulk of his appointees if he elected. We don't need to trade sycophants and attack dogs from the left for trump's sycophants and attack dogs.

[samnsara]

51. thanks for the support. Nina is a big turn off for a lot of people......

[yardwork]

56. Most people are moderates.

In order to achieve change in a democracy, it's essential to persuade people. I don't want a dictator.

[Texin]

58. Bravo/Brava!!

Nina Turner has been exasperating and infuriating me since the run-up to 2016. I used to respect this woman. Back during the W years, she was one of the loudest proponents of state workers' union rights. I wasn't surprised that she would have backed Sanders, but the manner in which she browbeats other Dems has been out of control. She acts like a rabid forest creature. Every time I see her I can't help but think of a honey badger FFS.

[pamdb]

59. Nina Turner

I can't STAND Nina Turner. I don't have any trouble with Bernie as president, I just don;t
think he'll ever get elected. I am a Biden supporter, have been since the beginning (BIDEN AND HARRIS) but I will vote for whomever is the candidate.

[wiley]

62. So true.

Bernie really should have dumped her and Jeff Weaver before he began his every 4 years quest for the presidency. But she is really a little off and a lot obnoxious. I hope a lot of people saw that actually.

[ProgressDiv]

64. Biden's SC speech was just as obnoxious

Crowing about his first primary victory in 32 years of Presidential campaigning on Saturday, Joe felt like jabbing those who are not "real Democrats" because they are more progressive than he is. And there he was parroting Republican talking points about "taxes" as the worst evil, and how we can't afford government programs to help the American people.

I am sure Biden imagined he was skewing Bernie, but to me it sounded like he was spitting in the face of every Democratic in the progressive wing of the party -- as well as all the political independents that are drawn to vote for a Democratic candidate based on their values and policies (not because of the household they were born into). I was personally offended.

All these tone deaf posts about how "uppity" Biden supporters find a particular black woman to be don't help either.

I came into this election supporting Warren, but feeling we had a great field of candidates. I would have included Biden in that. I don't any longer. If the party donors succeed in coronating him, he will have my reluctant vote. But not my time or money. (I'll refocus that on defeating Susan Collins.)

I wish I could count on Biden and his supporters to do the same if Sanders secures the nomination. But from everything I am reading here, they are an entitled bunch who feel their candidate "deserves" the nomination, regardless of what the voters think. That is exactly what went wrong with Hillary. I hope Sanders and/or Warren can save us from a repeat of that fiasco.

[rufus dog]

65. Always have trade offs to make.

And I didn’t imply she was “uppity”. I stated she came across as obnoxious. Abrasive might have been a better choice of words.

We have a huge media issue in our Country. So if someone comes in and is going to push for change then they had damn well better be able to sell it.

A Democrat using the tRump approach will be skewered by the press. So at some point we need to look at reality. Every morning I have Stephanie Ruhle on before work. She was brought in for a reason. This morning she had a five plus love fest with Judge Judy. Basically a commercial for Bloomberg. JJ went the socialist and Venezuela route. To my surprise Ruhle actually corrected her. Point being, even the most “liberal” station is going to be biased. And having abrasive resources from our side is going to make it worse.

[scrabblequeen40]

67. "deserves the nomination" sounds like recycled talking point

from 2016 when it was used against Clinton.

When you use words like "establishment democrats" to describe longtime supporters of liberal policies, you lose me.

Just like you lose me when you recycle the "the estabilish thinks Biden deserves the nomination."

It worked with Clinton to divide us but it will not work again.

Does "ProgressiveDiv" mean what I think it means? Progressive Divider?

[Catherine Vincent]

69. She's always been obnoxious

The first time I saw her on the tv, she was rude. Sorry, she rubbed me the wrong way.

[Prof.Higgins]

71. Exactly the same switch from Harris to Biden for me! n/t

[rufus dog]

72. Would be much happier voting for Her

No other candidate really clicked for me. Which is normal. (Obama was my only first choice to ever make it through) As many have said, hopefully Joe brings her in as VP or AG and finds spots for Beto, Pete, and some of the other young talent.