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AGeddy

(509 posts)
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 11:33 AM Mar 2020

Who could have guessed that "shut up and get out of the race, you snake!" wouldn't work?


The #1 trend on twitter for most of yesterday was #WarrenEndorseBernie.

And if you read the posts with that hashtag, you saw a shit-ton of tweeters yelling at Liz Warren to get out of the race to help Bernie. And they did so by calling her names and questioning her bonafides as a progressive and all kinds of nasty stuff.


In contrast, when moderates were asking Pete and Amy to drop out of the race, there was no vitriol. Just gentle requests for them to look at the math and come to the obvious conclusion. No name-calling, no harassing, no immaturity.


"You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar" is an old cliche, but it is undoubtedly true here.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Who could have guessed that "shut up and get out of the race, you snake!" wouldn't work? (Original Post) AGeddy Mar 2020 OP
For a week it was #PrimaryWarren. George II Mar 2020 #1
I think it is very likely that Elizabeth Warren will suspend her campaign MineralMan Mar 2020 #2
The question will be whether or not she'll endorse Bernie... or Biden hlthe2b Mar 2020 #4
She might endorse neither, actually. MineralMan Mar 2020 #6
She will support the real Democrats in my opinion relayerbob Mar 2020 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author pinkstarburst Mar 2020 #31
I was disappointed in her answer on that one. thesquanderer Mar 2020 #39
"Nevertheless, she persisted." "You cant win what you don't fight for." Nt Ninga Mar 2020 #11
She Is Not Elizabeth Quixote. MineralMan Mar 2020 #13
I understand. I do not have the ability to predict the outcome of today's voting. What I do Ninga Mar 2020 #15
Elizabeth Quixote Celerity Mar 2020 #27
At ther risk of sounding like a broken record, when you put someone as aggressively divisive and hlthe2b Mar 2020 #3
And you have to question the candidate's judgement PatSeg Mar 2020 #19
You'd think they would have learned this a month ago Mike 03 Mar 2020 #5
Fanatics will Fanaticize. MineralMan Mar 2020 #7
Well, I'm very relieved that things seem to be moving in the right direction. Mike 03 Mar 2020 #10
Did you not read DU posts? Farmer-Rick Mar 2020 #8
Nobody called Pete and Amy disgusting names. There wasn't any anger. AGeddy Mar 2020 #12
So it is vitriol when Bernie supporters ask but it is exasperation Farmer-Rick Mar 2020 #34
No, not when they "ask". AGeddy Mar 2020 #35
Pretty much tells you all that you need to know SoCalNative Mar 2020 #36
Were they calling Pete and Amy snakes? TwilightZone Mar 2020 #16
I never saw that PatSeg Mar 2020 #23
Who coined the term "MayoPete"? Codeine Mar 2020 #38
When the conservative movement took over the Republican party.... Yavin4 Mar 2020 #9
How many is a shit-ton? thesquanderer Mar 2020 #14
They're very visible, though, that group of rabid fanatics. MineralMan Mar 2020 #17
Enough to make anti-Warren hashtags in the Top 10 all day yesterday AGeddy Mar 2020 #18
It's actually a measurement of weight. nt coti Mar 2020 #41
on a Warren tweet this morning barbtries Mar 2020 #20
And "go away Bernie Bros" might not be the best way to bring the party together for November... DanTex Mar 2020 #21
Anybody who says "go away Bernie Bros" is an idiot AGeddy Mar 2020 #22
True. Unfortunately, the establishment and the media is full of such idiots. DanTex Mar 2020 #24
If there were "just as many", then those hashtags would be trending. AGeddy Mar 2020 #25
There are plenty of anti-Bernie hashtags, and also anti-Bernie twitter trolls. DanTex Mar 2020 #28
"There are plenty of anti-Bernie hashtags.."...BUT not nearly enough to get them trending. AncientGeezer Mar 2020 #37
Much as "I'm fighting against establishment Democrats" might not be the best way either LanternWaste Mar 2020 #33
The snake emoji explosion told me all I need to know greenjar_01 Mar 2020 #26
Didn't anyone themto ask nicely? RandySF Mar 2020 #30
Nevertheless, she persisted. nolabear Mar 2020 #32
Twitter sucks LaelthsDaughter Mar 2020 #40
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
1. For a week it was #PrimaryWarren.
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 11:35 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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MineralMan

(151,264 posts)
2. I think it is very likely that Elizabeth Warren will suspend her campaign
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 11:37 AM
Mar 2020

after today's primary elections. She will do OK in a couple of states, but won't be viable in the rest. I think that Mike Bloomberg will do the same thing on Wednesday or Thursday.

Then, we will be in a two-person primary race. Supporters of candidates other than those two will have to make a choice in future primary elections. And they will.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

hlthe2b

(113,954 posts)
4. The question will be whether or not she'll endorse Bernie... or Biden
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 11:40 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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MineralMan

(151,264 posts)
6. She might endorse neither, actually.
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 11:43 AM
Mar 2020

That would be my guess. She'll let her supporters decide for themselves.

On the other hand, Mike Bloomberg will almost certainly endorse Biden. He doesn't much like Bernie Sanders. I don't know how Bloomberg will do in today's elections. It will be interesting to see the results.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

relayerbob

(7,428 posts)
29. She will support the real Democrats in my opinion
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 12:18 PM
Mar 2020

She has made it clear that she is a Democrat, a capitalist and plans to stay that way.

She may choose to not endorse anyone, but she will not endorse Sanders.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to hlthe2b (Reply #4)

 

thesquanderer

(13,005 posts)
39. I was disappointed in her answer on that one.
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 01:26 PM
Mar 2020

The location of the embassy can't be left to the parties involved, because at the moment, those parties will not agree, so if we want to have an embassy there, we can't leave the decision as to where it will be to the Israelis and the Palestinians. Hers was not an answer to the question of whether she would leave the embassy in Jerusalem or move it back to Tel Aviv.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Ninga

(9,012 posts)
11. "Nevertheless, she persisted." "You cant win what you don't fight for." Nt
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 11:47 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

MineralMan

(151,264 posts)
13. She Is Not Elizabeth Quixote.
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 11:50 AM
Mar 2020

She is a practical politician. She will not continue to run when it is clear she cannot possibly win. That would be stupid, and Elizabeth Warren is not stupid, by any means.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Ninga

(9,012 posts)
15. I understand. I do not have the ability to predict the outcome of today's voting. What I do
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 11:56 AM
Mar 2020

have is belief. I believe she will do better than predicted.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Celerity

(54,405 posts)
27. Elizabeth Quixote
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 12:14 PM
Mar 2020


Pacific Northwest Ballet principal dancer Elizabeth Murphy with company dancers in Alexei Ratmansky’s Don Quixote


If I were to vote in a presidential
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hlthe2b

(113,954 posts)
3. At ther risk of sounding like a broken record, when you put someone as aggressively divisive and
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 11:39 AM
Mar 2020

frankly, overtly abusive (nasty?) as Nina Turner, of course, at least a minority of the supporters are going to emulate.

Sirota has been scarcely better, but for whatever reason doesn't end up on tv as much. Briahna Joy Gray is a close second on the obnoxious scale

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PatSeg

(53,214 posts)
19. And you have to question the candidate's judgement
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 12:03 PM
Mar 2020

letting such a spokesperson for on TV again and again. Actually you have to question his judgement hiring her in the first place. What role would she play in a Sanders administration?

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Mike 03

(18,690 posts)
5. You'd think they would have learned this a month ago
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 11:40 AM
Mar 2020

when they were trending hashtags like these:

#NeverWarren, #WarrenIsASnake and (I won't spell it out): #Fu--Pocahontas


What kind of a strategic advisor do you need to tell you this is not a winning approach? A game theorist? A stable genius specializing in public relations? The author of "How to Make Friends and Influence People"?

Most children could have warned them the results of this tactic for free.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MineralMan

(151,264 posts)
7. Fanatics will Fanaticize.
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 11:44 AM
Mar 2020

Anyone who takes positions like those is a fanatic.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Mike 03

(18,690 posts)
10. Well, I'm very relieved that things seem to be moving in the right direction.
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 11:47 AM
Mar 2020

We still have to work tremendously hard, but at least some worries appear to be receding.



If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Farmer-Rick

(12,667 posts)
8. Did you not read DU posts?
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 11:44 AM
Mar 2020

When moderates were asking Pete and Amy to drop out of the race, there was no vitriol???????

Obviously you have not been reading the posts here.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

AGeddy

(509 posts)
12. Nobody called Pete and Amy disgusting names. There wasn't any anger.
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 11:48 AM
Mar 2020

There was some exasperation and desperation, but Pete and Amy were treated with respect here.

Yes, I was reading the posts here. You'd be hard pressed to find an Biden supporters who were calling Pete and Amy names or being offensive.
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Farmer-Rick

(12,667 posts)
34. So it is vitriol when Bernie supporters ask but it is exasperation
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 12:27 PM
Mar 2020

When Biden supporters ask.

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AGeddy

(509 posts)
35. No, not when they "ask".
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 12:35 PM
Mar 2020

That's not what was happening, though. It was belittling, name-calling, attacking.


Merely "asking" isn't an issue. But, at least on twitter, Bernie supporters were attacking and name-calling and yelling at Warren. Juvenile LACK OF RESPECT.


There's a difference.
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Joe Biden
 

SoCalNative

(4,613 posts)
36. Pretty much tells you all that you need to know
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 12:43 PM
Mar 2020

about Bernie's supporters.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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TwilightZone

(28,836 posts)
16. Were they calling Pete and Amy snakes?
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 11:57 AM
Mar 2020

I did see one campaign's supporters calling Pete a rat, but it wasn't the supporters of any of the "moderate" Democrats. Care to guess who they were supporting?

Over on that other "progressive" site, they've been calling Warren the "C" word.

Seen anyone do that with Pete or Amy?

If I were to vote in a presidential
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PatSeg

(53,214 posts)
23. I never saw that
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 12:09 PM
Mar 2020

Wanting some candidates to drop out was only because they didn't have enough delegates to be viable and we need to rally around the one(s) who could win. Biden voters have been very supportive and appreciative of Pete and Amy.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
38. Who coined the term "MayoPete"?
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 01:24 PM
Mar 2020

Who is currently driving the hashtag #pocahantas on Twitter? Who uses a snake emoji to represent Warren and a rat emoji to represent Buttigieg? What campaign’s supporters use #bendtheknee?

None of that shit came from anybody but Sanders fans. Point out a particularly vituperative post on DU aimed at Pete from a Biden or Warren person. Or one aimed at Warren from a Biden or Buttigieg person. I’m very curious about what you consider to be “vitriol.”

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Yavin4

(37,182 posts)
9. When the conservative movement took over the Republican party....
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 11:46 AM
Mar 2020

They did it over a long period of time and slowly swallowed the liberal/moderate wing of the party. Compare and contrast Nixon's policies to Reagan's. Nixon looks like a total liberal. Yet, the next Republican president was hyper conservative.

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thesquanderer

(13,005 posts)
14. How many is a shit-ton?
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 11:53 AM
Mar 2020

Maybe hundreds, out of probably millions of Sanders supporters? We're Dems, we're not supposed to blame entire groups for the actions of a few.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

MineralMan

(151,264 posts)
17. They're very visible, though, that group of rabid fanatics.
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 11:58 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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AGeddy

(509 posts)
18. Enough to make anti-Warren hashtags in the Top 10 all day yesterday
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 11:59 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

coti

(4,625 posts)
41. It's actually a measurement of weight. nt
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 02:06 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

barbtries

(31,307 posts)
20. on a Warren tweet this morning
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 12:03 PM
Mar 2020

I found myself blocking several people who are probably democrats. the vitriol. omigawd. any woman who gets close to power is a target. Hillary took so much bullshit from the left as well as the right.

I'll die before the US leaves the dark ages and it makes me feel so sad and frustrated.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
21. And "go away Bernie Bros" might not be the best way to bring the party together for November...
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 12:03 PM
Mar 2020

It was always a myth that Bernie supporters were uniquely rude on the internet. The establishment pushed that myth because they didn't want Bernie to be president. Which, OK, politics is politics.

But seeing that the real enemy is Trump, not random people on the internet who support Bernie, it's probably a good idea to let that myth die now that Joe is likely to be the nominee. We need those so-called "Bernie Bros" to vote for us.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

AGeddy

(509 posts)
22. Anybody who says "go away Bernie Bros" is an idiot
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 12:06 PM
Mar 2020

But anti-Bernie hashtags with sentiments like that seldom ever are "trending" on twitter. Because the number of people doing that is very, very small.

When abusive anti-Warren hashtags are trending, it is because thousands of people are doing that.
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
24. True. Unfortunately, the establishment and the media is full of such idiots.
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 12:10 PM
Mar 2020

That's why there are stories about "Bernie Bros" but not "Biden Bros". There are just as many abusive anti-Bernie posters on twitter as anyone else. It's just that the media decides to ignore them because it doesn't fit their narrative.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

AGeddy

(509 posts)
25. If there were "just as many", then those hashtags would be trending.
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 12:12 PM
Mar 2020

The fact that anti-Bernie hashtags are almost never trending shows that the numbers are small. Or at least that the opposition to Bernie isn't any organized effort.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
28. There are plenty of anti-Bernie hashtags, and also anti-Bernie twitter trolls.
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 12:17 PM
Mar 2020

#WarrenEndorseBernie, by the way, is not an abusive hashtag. It's just calling for one progressive to endorse another.

The idea that Bernie people on twitter are uniquely abusive, again, is pure myth, pushed by the media. It is not based in reality.

Pushing myths that insult millions of Bernie supporters might be a good strategy for the primary, but it is most definitely not a good strategy for defeating Trump. Biden looks pretty much assured to be the nominee right now. There is no reason whatsoever to continue the "Bernie Bro" myth.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

AncientGeezer

(2,146 posts)
37. "There are plenty of anti-Bernie hashtags.."...BUT not nearly enough to get them trending.
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 01:15 PM
Mar 2020

That's a vast difference in the amount of people posting the crap.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
33. Much as "I'm fighting against establishment Democrats" might not be the best way either
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 12:23 PM
Mar 2020

"I'm fighting against establishment Democrats" ~ B. Sanders, 30 year career establishment politician

Sure. Politics is politics.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

greenjar_01

(6,477 posts)
26. The snake emoji explosion told me all I need to know
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 12:13 PM
Mar 2020

Deplorable.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

RandySF

(84,260 posts)
30. Didn't anyone themto ask nicely?
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 12:19 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

nolabear

(43,850 posts)
32. Nevertheless, she persisted.
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 12:21 PM
Mar 2020


I love Liz. I wish she’d back Joe but I do love her.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LaelthsDaughter

(181 posts)
40. Twitter sucks
Tue Mar 3, 2020, 01:31 PM
Mar 2020

What ever twitter says must be taken with a grain of salt. Twitter is where all of the worst and rudest people post. It’s just true. Facebook is where the grandmas go, that’s just how they work. I stagram is where the decent people seek refuge. Of course they have accounts on other platforms, but insta is where people discuss things and have fun with debates.

It is true that there are many Bernie supporters that are harsh, but remember the rule of thumb about twitter.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
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