Democratic Primaries
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Topsy turvy polls and 538 going insane, here is my prediction of who wins what states, although I am clueless on the margins or how delegates are awarded:
Bernie: american samoa, ca, tx,mn,vt,ma, me co and ut
Biden wins va, nc, ar, ok, Alabama, tn although Texas is looking like a pure tossup.
What say you?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)Bernie will take some states, but Biden is a shoo-in at this point.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dumptrump1
(236 posts)Even with all these endorsements, I dont find it too likely.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
TwilightZone
(25,512 posts)If the current momentum is indicative of a trend, a majority isn't that far-fetched, especially if Bloomberg pulls out in the near future.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-primary-forecast/
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dumptrump1
(236 posts)In june.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
TwilightZone
(25,512 posts)It's actually pretty shocking, in my opinion. Two weeks ago, Sanders was predicted to win SC for a while. The polls shifted dramatically, and he lost by nearly 30 points. A few days ago, Biden was forecast to win one state on Super Tuesday. Now, he's forecast to win more than half and people are actually predicting he might win Texas.
I thought he'd get a mild bump after SC. I didn't expect it would put the entire race on its head.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dumptrump1
(236 posts)That helped him now, but could come back to bite him in the near future.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dumptrump1
(236 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TwilightZone
(25,512 posts)The polls showed significant momentum going into SC, but they didn't reflect that momentum anywhere near what it really was -- he won by nearly double the poll average. A 30-point swing in a couple of weeks is real momentum, not an illusion.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dumptrump1
(236 posts)Bernie winning nevada in a landslide did not do that for him for sc.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)The June states that you mentioned will be brutal for Sanders, don't count on any but maybe Rhode Island. March 17 and April 1 are going to be massively bad for Sanders, given the states voting. Sanders just does not have much left after today, Biden has all of his best states left and those states account for a large number of pledged delegates.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dumptrump1
(236 posts)But the margins of delegates awarded will be key
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LizBeth
(9,952 posts)Someone guesses then you argue the guess that we do not know. Interesting
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)for Sanders long term, Biden just has too many big states left. Biden has a lot of very big states left, Sanders has one big state and some medium sized ones left. Flirida and Geogia alone have 330 pledged delegates between them, Sanders will be luck to clear 15% in both states. My sense is that the contest will come to the day NY/NJ/CT/PA, if Biden doesn't end it today by getting more delegates than Sanders today, or staying within 50 delegates of Sanders today (if either happens, it's over for Sanders today).
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dumptrump1
(236 posts)But it won't be over for bernie. He is favored in enough big and small states that depending on the margins and delegates received, he could pull it off. But it will be close!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Really the only moderate sized states where you can say he is favored are Oregon, Washington State, Michigan, and Wisconsin, that is it. He should be favored in some more small states. Biden has Florida, Georgia, Lousiana, Illinois, New York State, New Jersey, Conneticutt, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Washington DC, and I may have missed some.
If Sanders does not very much gap Biden today, it is over for him, believe me.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dumptrump1
(236 posts)IL, OR, WA, MI, WI, all of the small midwest states. Bernie is also favored in IL, NY, NJ, and CT. The rest are Biden's. You are right though. Obviously he needs to win in order to win. We agree on that. But Joe Biden winning only half the states today is not actually putting it away for him.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Do you realize that those states are closely aligned to the finance and pharmaceutical industries, industries that Sanders has really demonized?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dumptrump1
(236 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
duforsure
(11,885 posts)It could be a hard thing for Biden to come back from. Bloomberg I think is trying to get something for his endorsement after spending so much. Biden would give into him before Bernie would for some kind of payoff.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Moderateguy
(945 posts)It would have to mean that he really has excellent support among the Latino community.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
dumptrump1
(236 posts)I thi non k it isn't crazy to think they will pull through forn hi I'm in texas.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Mr.Bill
(24,354 posts)as a monolithic vote. They are actually very diverse. For instance, here in California we have many Mexican families that have been here for many generations. Some that I know are more against illegal immigration than most white people are. Another example is their LGBTQ stance. For many, even though they are registered as Democrats, their strong Catholic heritage can make them strongly against gay marriage. Gay marriage failed at the ballot box in California
I could go on, but my point is thinking all Latinos vote the same way is as wrong as thinking all Whites or Asians or any other ethnic group will vote the same way.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dumptrump1
(236 posts)This is a national election today, so it could reflect what the polling is saying.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Mr.Bill
(24,354 posts)These are individual state primaries.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dumptrump1
(236 posts)With a diverse swath of the population representative of the country. Or as I call it: a national election.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DanTex
(20,709 posts)The only thing really that could change that would be if Warren endorses Bernie, which doesn't look like it is going to happen, and it might be too late in any case.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
dumptrump1
(236 posts)I can't imagine her supporters would likely even stick with her if she does.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
dware
(12,462 posts)You are pragmatic.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Watchfoxheadexplodes
(3,496 posts)Which I think he will.
It will be close and with results of California at least a week out. If Bernie wins california bump will be minimal.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)all the disappointment in results will be on the sander's side.
In CA, a sanders margin of win of less than 10% is a big Biden victory
In Texas, a biden win by 5% or more is a huge Biden victory
In NC a biden win by 15% or more is a big Biden victory
In Virginia a biden win by 10% or more is a huge Biden victory
all the others no big impact as they will be as expected
Its about momentum and I highly doubt the biden train will be slowed down as all were hoping for a week ago.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bucolic_frolic
(43,442 posts)Bernie is a fade with not a lot of upside going forward. Voters are realizing raspy complaints play into Trump's critique of the Democratic Party, and they're tired of it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brooklynite
(94,911 posts)I will watch.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Happy Hoosier
(7,454 posts)... though proportions matter.
If Joe can close the gap in California, that is very bad for Bernie. If Bernie can win big in CA, he still has a shot.
My instinct (often wrong) suggest Bernie will come out ahead today, but not by enough to get him the plurality going into the convention.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dumptrump1
(236 posts)Truth is we have no idea what is going to happen... polls only provide us with a small glimpse of what could happen, and so does 538, etc. Like many are saying, we will wait and see what happens today.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Chainfire
(17,715 posts)Is that it will be a split decision.
Most Democrats that I know are looking for a place to hang their hats and get on with the goal of beating Trump. The quicker we unite, the harder we fight, the better.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden