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Yosemito

(648 posts)
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 02:37 PM Feb 2019

Most Democrats want the party to become more moderate, poll finds

This is a little surprising to me.
Probably not very good news for Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren and good news for others such as Joe Biden.



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Most Democrats want the party to become more moderate, poll finds (Original Post) Yosemito Feb 2019 OP
people like Warren and AOC are moving the Overton Window to the left - and that is good EveHammond13 Feb 2019 #1
exactly why these polls are pointless prredlin Feb 2019 #11
Totally agree workinclasszero Feb 2019 #14
Hmmm... ZZenith Feb 2019 #2
Who said anything about moving to the right? leftofcool Feb 2019 #4
Ugh. ZZenith Feb 2019 #8
Most Democrats are moderate leftofcool Feb 2019 #3
Honestly, I don't think most Americans really understand what liberal is. CrispyQ Feb 2019 #5
I Agree sacto95834 Feb 2019 #64
Terms should be defined, for this 'test' to be useful/meaningful. elleng Feb 2019 #6
Agree, how do we define "moderate" let alone agree upon the definition Devil Child Feb 2019 #22
Thanks elleng Feb 2019 #23
Republican talking points. onecaliberal Feb 2019 #7
A poll is not a talking point Yosemito Feb 2019 #13
A republican poll. onecaliberal Feb 2019 #26
Exactly watoos Feb 2019 #28
This is hard to believe... WordsMatter Feb 2019 #9
To me it means Republican Lite - Been there done that. walkingman Feb 2019 #50
It makes sense if the goal is to defeat Trump at any cost Clash City Rocker Feb 2019 #10
We took the House back via moderate candidates in red or purple districts...A senate Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #12
and most independants want the party to be more liberal floppyboo Feb 2019 #15
I hope for the sake of winning a centrist would choose a progressive VP floppyboo Feb 2019 #16
And vice versa, a liberal candidate should choose a moderate running mate Clash City Rocker Feb 2019 #43
Not surprising...I remember pointing this out to Chris Bowers on MyDD in 2006 Awsi Dooger Feb 2019 #17
Wow. Out of 756 Dem and Dem leaning registered voters they came up with this data. Nanjeanne Feb 2019 #18
Odd that you didn't mention it hurting Harris Bradshaw3 Feb 2019 #19
Elizabeth Warren is a great liberal IMO. CrossingTheRubicon Feb 2019 #21
I agree n/t Bradshaw3 Feb 2019 #62
I want to remain the same liberal party that we've been since FDR. CrossingTheRubicon Feb 2019 #20
We have a tradition of free K-12 public education. dogman Feb 2019 #25
You are confusing issues where liberal Democrats and Democratic Socialists have policies... CrossingTheRubicon Feb 2019 #29
That is your view of their agenda. dogman Feb 2019 #45
That's as much "selective editing" of the DSA agenda as the doctored DiFi video. CrossingTheRubicon Feb 2019 #47
Again, in your view. dogman Feb 2019 #49
We have a choice between Fascism & Socialism. CrossingTheRubicon Feb 2019 #53
Was dogman Feb 2019 #56
Always. And forever. CrossingTheRubicon Feb 2019 #57
It is not free K-12 public education ... CatMor Feb 2019 #39
Some one must pay? dogman Feb 2019 #48
For what it's worth, here's a study the same organization published in 2014: Garrett78 Feb 2019 #24
A majority of Democrats seem to be getting it wrong forklift Feb 2019 #27
I think we Democrats can manage our own party just fine. CrossingTheRubicon Feb 2019 #30
Bang up job since 08' disillusioned73 Feb 2019 #35
You didn't like Barack Obama? I sure did. CrossingTheRubicon Feb 2019 #37
Before 2018.. disillusioned73 Feb 2019 #46
Loved Obama, wish he was still here. leftofcool Feb 2019 #54
That's political worship. We lost thousands upon thousands of seats nationwide from 2008-2016. MadDAsHell Feb 2019 #63
Well said watoos Feb 2019 #33
Thank but no. leftofcool Feb 2019 #51
Not this Democrat. Mr. Smith Feb 2019 #31
It's a poll from Pew watoos Feb 2019 #32
You think "moderate" Democrats want to privatize SS and gut Medicare and Medicaid? CrossingTheRubicon Feb 2019 #38
I know they don't want to expand watoos Feb 2019 #42
You just said that moderate Democrats want to privatize SS and gut Medicare and Medicaid. CrossingTheRubicon Feb 2019 #44
That's my definition of a moderate Democrat watoos Feb 2019 #55
Really? leftofcool Feb 2019 #52
President Obama was a moderate right? watoos Feb 2019 #59
Instead of alerting on your post which is what should be done, I decided to block you instead leftofcool Feb 2019 #60
Ugh... disillusioned73 Feb 2019 #34
I think this is a simple, dumb poll on huge complex issues.. LakeArenal Feb 2019 #36
Pew has to be respected, but "more moderate" OR Hortensis Feb 2019 #40
... Scurrilous Feb 2019 #41
Hillary WAS moderate. Freethinker65 Feb 2019 #58
It's just one poll. I feel things are the opposite mvd Feb 2019 #61
I agree with this poll Gothmog Mar 2019 #65
Except that labels have been politicalized Tom Rinaldo Mar 2019 #66
The great middle GatoGordo Mar 2019 #67
 

EveHammond13

(2,855 posts)
1. people like Warren and AOC are moving the Overton Window to the left - and that is good
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 02:46 PM
Feb 2019


If we want to end up with something good, we need to start by moving public discussion to the left overall. IMHO.
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prredlin

(43 posts)
11. exactly why these polls are pointless
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 03:03 PM
Feb 2019

if you don't have a definitive meaning of CENTER that does not change, then you can't realistically define what moderate is.

if the democratic part JUMPS to the left 10 steps, then moderate means VERY progressive.

all just words at this point.

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workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
14. Totally agree
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 03:27 PM
Feb 2019

More of the same is not going to win the next election IMO.

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ZZenith

(4,185 posts)
2. Hmmm...
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 02:53 PM
Feb 2019

Supporters of the John Birch Society want me to believe Democrats want to move to the right.

Well, I’ll be darned...

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leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
4. Who said anything about moving to the right?
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 02:55 PM
Feb 2019

You do understand what being a moderate Democrat means right?

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leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
3. Most Democrats are moderate
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 02:54 PM
Feb 2019

Moving to far to the left in a hurry loses us election.

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CrispyQ

(36,952 posts)
5. Honestly, I don't think most Americans really understand what liberal is.
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 02:56 PM
Feb 2019

When I show people that Joe Conservative essay & ask them, "Which of these things do you oppose?" they never respond with anything. People have been brainwashed to think that free college for our kids is socialism but bailouts for failing corporations is saving the economy. While TPTB make sure that no other system but capitalism can ever be proposed, no one ever points out that we don't have a true capitalist system. We have privatized profits & socialized risk. And our kids get turned into profit centers & loaded with financial obligations that turn them into debt slaves to the corrupt system.

Seriously, I believe people are more liberal than they realize. They just need to see things from a different perspective. Instead of being pissed that a burger flipper might make $15 an hour, ask why an EMT who saves lives makes $15.

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sacto95834

(393 posts)
64. I Agree
Tue Feb 26, 2019, 09:22 AM
Feb 2019

I think many Americans have been brainwashed as to what a liberal is.

I find it similar for Feminism. Some of the strongest champions for equal pay for equal work for women, the smashing of stereotypes regarding women, pro-choice, no barriers to women cringe when you ask them if they are a feminist. NO they insist. *sigh*

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elleng

(133,060 posts)
6. Terms should be defined, for this 'test' to be useful/meaningful.
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 02:58 PM
Feb 2019
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Devil Child

(2,728 posts)
22. Agree, how do we define "moderate" let alone agree upon the definition
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 04:57 PM
Feb 2019

Pew doesn't provide an definition for moderate after perusing the report.

http://www.people-press.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2019/01/PP_2019.01.24_political-priorities_FINAL.pdf

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onecaliberal

(34,097 posts)
7. Republican talking points.
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 02:58 PM
Feb 2019
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Yosemito

(648 posts)
13. A poll is not a talking point
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 03:15 PM
Feb 2019

It's a poll.

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watoos

(7,142 posts)
28. Exactly
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 05:19 PM
Feb 2019

A discussion from Pew Research Center.
Unbelievable

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WordsMatter

(80 posts)
9. This is hard to believe...
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 03:00 PM
Feb 2019

It depends on what 'moderate' means to people.

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walkingman

(7,975 posts)
50. To me it means Republican Lite - Been there done that.
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 07:53 PM
Feb 2019
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Clash City Rocker

(3,406 posts)
10. It makes sense if the goal is to defeat Trump at any cost
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 03:01 PM
Feb 2019

A left-leaning candidate would gain some voters who otherwise might not vote, or who would vote for a third-party candidate. A moderate candidate would gain some voters who otherwise might vote for Trump. And those voters are probably more likely to be in purple states.

The danger is always that if you get too moderate, voters won’t be able to discern the Democratic candidate from the Republican candidate. But when the Republican candidate is Trump, that’s unlikely.

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Demsrule86

(69,326 posts)
12. We took the House back via moderate candidates in red or purple districts...A senate
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 03:10 PM
Feb 2019

majority is not possible without moderate Democrats. What makes you think a left leaning candidate is going to do will in a national election? And I would add as far right as the GOP have gone, it is not likely our candidates will look anything like fascist racist Republican candidates. We need to block Trump's access to the Mid West and the best candidates are Sherrod Brown and Joe Biden...I also think Amy Klobuchar is a possibility...I like Kamala Harris as well.

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floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
15. and most independants want the party to be more liberal
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 03:30 PM
Feb 2019

both democratic and republican leaning, according to Pew Research. http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/07/05/5-facts-about-americas-political-independents/

What to do?

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floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
16. I hope for the sake of winning a centrist would choose a progressive VP
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 03:35 PM
Feb 2019

and try to bring the party together.

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Clash City Rocker

(3,406 posts)
43. And vice versa, a liberal candidate should choose a moderate running mate
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 06:54 PM
Feb 2019
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Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
17. Not surprising...I remember pointing this out to Chris Bowers on MyDD in 2006
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 03:40 PM
Feb 2019

Bowers was attempting to push and fund more liberal candidates across the country. I told him that's great in the northeast and far west but otherwise you are not only shrinking margin for error but you're also going against the wishes of the majority of Democrats.

Bowers couldn't accept that at all. He sent me a private message saying I was disrupting the site. Someone like that was so mesmerized by the online community he has no clue it isn't fully representative. I pointed out the consistent polling that indicates Democrats prefer more moderate. As you can see from the chart in the OP, it was 57% in November 2008 and I remember higher numbers earlier than that.

There is jealousy toward the GOP trend. That is the basic aspect of this, back in 2006 and continuing today. We see them nominating more and more from their extreme and we want to follow suit. But it is misguided for two reasons: Republicans want more conservative. Democrats want more moderate. And there are 36% self-identified conservatives compared to 27% liberals in this country, meaning a greater number of our leaners have to be accepting of someone from the edge. Republicans are already at the edge anyway.

I'll continue to point out Andrew Gillum as an unforced error. After that primary I received private messages here and on two other sites. All were from Democrats who were shocked Gillum got the nod and worried that it was a strategic mistake. All of us either lived in Florida or had lived in Florida so the variables were obvious. Then all of us heard the reports about Gillum's poll lead and supposed boost in energy, which might help Bill Nelson also. Okay, we rationalized. Maybe it will be okay. Then the result happened and no it is not okay. Our early handicapping and instincts were correct. We nominated a liberal when the state wanted a moderate. I could have Gwen Graham as my governor right now but I'm stuck with Ron DeSantis.

When I do the ideology tests I score as very liberal but since I'm a math guy and balanced handicapper who doesn't mind going against my own favorites, I generally prefer the more moderate Democrat, other than those very friendly states and districts.

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Nanjeanne

(5,078 posts)
18. Wow. Out of 756 Dem and Dem leaning registered voters they came up with this data.
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 04:11 PM
Feb 2019
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Bradshaw3

(7,673 posts)
19. Odd that you didn't mention it hurting Harris
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 04:19 PM
Feb 2019

She has a more liberal voting record than Sanders or Warren:

https://progressivepunch.org/scores.htm?house=senate

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CrossingTheRubicon

(731 posts)
21. Elizabeth Warren is a great liberal IMO.
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 04:48 PM
Feb 2019

I think the poll takers (and therefore the respondents) are confused.

Liberalism is where the party's heart is firmly planted.

Democratic Socialism is a move away from liberalism.

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CrossingTheRubicon

(731 posts)
20. I want to remain the same liberal party that we've been since FDR.
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 04:45 PM
Feb 2019

We have a great tradition.

Moving toward "Democratic Socialism" would be to become far less liberal.

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dogman

(6,073 posts)
25. We have a tradition of free K-12 public education.
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 05:08 PM
Feb 2019

How is free K-16+ public education less liberal? We have free healthcare for some. How is free healthcare for all less liberal? We have energy subsidies for fossil fuels. How are energy subsidies for renewables less liberal?

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CrossingTheRubicon

(731 posts)
29. You are confusing issues where liberal Democrats and Democratic Socialists have policies...
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 05:20 PM
Feb 2019

that intersect with the completely desperate ideologies that inform our political philosophies.

I understand that Democratic Socialists can read polls and back stalking horse issues as if those are the end of the agenda.

But it isn't the end of the Democratic Socialist agenda.

The core of Democratic Socialism is the collectivization of the economy and the elimination of private enterprise. That's not a liberal political philosophy as far as I'm concerned.

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dogman

(6,073 posts)
45. That is your view of their agenda.
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 07:28 PM
Feb 2019

"Who We Are & What We Do

The Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) is the largest socialist organization in the United States. We believe that working people should run both the economy and society democratically to meet human needs, not to make profits for a few. We are a political and activist organization, not a party; through campus and community-based chapters, DSA members use a variety of tactics, from legislative to direct action, to fight for reforms that empower working people."
https://www.dsausa.org

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CrossingTheRubicon

(731 posts)
47. That's as much "selective editing" of the DSA agenda as the doctored DiFi video.
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 07:35 PM
Feb 2019

Them saying "working people should run both the economy and society" is a weasely way of saying they wish to end private enterprise and the private ownership of the means of production and distribution.

A distinction without a difference.

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dogman

(6,073 posts)
49. Again, in your view.
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 07:51 PM
Feb 2019

I'm sick of the other side of the coin, Fascism. Corporate civil rights and privatization of Government worry me more.

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CrossingTheRubicon

(731 posts)
53. We have a choice between Fascism & Socialism.
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 08:04 PM
Feb 2019

It is called Liberalism. It is the core ideology of the Democratic Party.

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CatMor

(6,212 posts)
39. It is not free K-12 public education ...
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 05:55 PM
Feb 2019

I pay fairly hefty school taxes every year , as a property owner. I don't have free health care. Nothing is free, someone is paying. We must educate our young children but once you graduate from high school and want to attend college it's not my duty to pay. What we need is more affordable higher education. We also need affordable health care for everyone. The pharmaceuticals must be taken on to stop the practice of gouging the people.

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dogman

(6,073 posts)
48. Some one must pay?
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 07:45 PM
Feb 2019

Who knew? Of course nothing is free and it is poor phrasing on my part. My meaning was that a person would not pay additional money out of pocket for these things. I thought most understood this but I can see a literal view might be taken. There are commonly user fees and other forms of additional taxation. You still pay room and board even if your tuition is covered. We live in the 21st century, at the beginning of the 20th century, high school education was a luxury, today more is required. A bi-partisan Congress found enough money for T-Rumps Defense budget. It's time to change priorities.

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Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
24. For what it's worth, here's a study the same organization published in 2014:
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 05:00 PM
Feb 2019
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forklift

(401 posts)
27. A majority of Democrats seem to be getting it wrong
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 05:19 PM
Feb 2019

which is why we need Bernie to pull the party to the left.

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CrossingTheRubicon

(731 posts)
30. I think we Democrats can manage our own party just fine.
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 05:22 PM
Feb 2019
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CrossingTheRubicon

(731 posts)
37. You didn't like Barack Obama? I sure did.
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 05:51 PM
Feb 2019
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leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
54. Loved Obama, wish he was still here.
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 08:05 PM
Feb 2019
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MadDAsHell

(2,067 posts)
63. That's political worship. We lost thousands upon thousands of seats nationwide from 2008-2016.
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 11:35 PM
Feb 2019

Are you saying that was worth it to give one man the Presidency?

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watoos

(7,142 posts)
32. It's a poll from Pew
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 05:27 PM
Feb 2019

Define the word moderate. The center of the country is left. Jesus, are we back to Democrat’s backing trickle down economics?
A moderate Democrat is for privatizing SS and gutting Medicare and Medicaid.

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CrossingTheRubicon

(731 posts)
38. You think "moderate" Democrats want to privatize SS and gut Medicare and Medicaid?
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 05:52 PM
Feb 2019
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watoos

(7,142 posts)
42. I know they don't want to expand
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 06:42 PM
Feb 2019

And or strengthen them. I know they aren’t behind the AOC/Markey Green deal. Moderate Democrats are old fashioned Republicans, right?

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CrossingTheRubicon

(731 posts)
44. You just said that moderate Democrats want to privatize SS and gut Medicare and Medicaid.
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 06:59 PM
Feb 2019

Now you double-down on the insults by calling moderate Democrats "old fashioned Republicans?"

Way out of line, friend. Pure BS.

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watoos

(7,142 posts)
55. That's my definition of a moderate Democrat
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 08:07 PM
Feb 2019

A 3rd Way Democrat, right?
Who is liberal? Republicans are liberal by relaxing regulatons, relaxing environmental regulations, shrinking government and drowning it in a bathtub, right? Liberal and moderate are just words.
I know one thing, out 2018 blue tsunami did not come from our candidates being moderate.

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leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
52. Really?
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 07:59 PM
Feb 2019

I have been a moderate Democrat for 60 years. Never voted for a Republican and never espoused Republican ideas. If I were you, I would delete my post.

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watoos

(7,142 posts)
59. President Obama was a moderate right?
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 08:24 PM
Feb 2019

Yes I voted for him twice, he was our best choice. He also offered to trim SS benefits, remember chained CPI? It was Republicans who nixed cuts to SS.
Moderate Democrats are old fashioned Republicans.
The left is really the center of the country.

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leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
60. Instead of alerting on your post which is what should be done, I decided to block you instead
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 08:38 PM
Feb 2019

You aren't worth my time.

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disillusioned73

(2,872 posts)
34. Ugh...
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 05:32 PM
Feb 2019

We are determined to lose 2020.. it's written in the stars..

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LakeArenal

(29,158 posts)
36. I think this is a simple, dumb poll on huge complex issues..
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 05:36 PM
Feb 2019

I have never been asked my opinion in a poll by any of these "leading" pollsters.

So I don't consider they speak for me. Especially more than a year out.

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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
40. Pew has to be respected, but "more moderate" OR
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 05:56 PM
Feb 2019

"more liberal"? Moderate isn't an orientation but rather a degree, which can average out overall conservative or overall wholly liberal or is often various mixtures of both.

Sloppy language has been used against the Democratic Party for decades and shouldn't be accepted. Dozens of polls are now saying we've now moved farther left, when the reality is that polls in the past so consistently failed to reveal what we want that I seriously wonder if some insidious influence wasn't involved, not just profound incompetence.

Even after 2008, when we enthusiastically elected our first black president, who made universal healthcare such a top priority that he was willing to be a one-term president if that was the cost of passing it, how the old questions missed so much wasn't questioned. When Elizabeth Warren sparked new progressive enthusiasm on top of that, the contradictory results of the old poll questions weren't questioned.

Only in 2016, when dissident groups hostile to mainstream Democrats were being promoted by the GOP and then Russia, was it "discovered" and reported that Sanders had supposedly moved our party from their declared apathetic "centrist" liberalism to enthusiastically farther left. Entirely coincidence?

One inexcusable thing we do know is that virtually all polls, including Pew, ask and asked people to self-identify as liberal or conservative. This went on all through the era that Republicans managed to define liberal as such a bad word that people didn't want to associate with it and continues now when the radical left has joined the right in defining liberals as something despicable. Testing for true orientation is expensive, so they still don't, and that alone warps all poll results.

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mvd

(65,239 posts)
61. It's just one poll. I feel things are the opposite
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 08:40 PM
Feb 2019

Many of our candidates are talking more to the left of before, even if they aren't Sanders level. Plus, how can the Repuke party possibly get more conservative? They are already so far right they are a threat to our Constitutional system. We can't combat that by being more moderate.

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Gothmog

(148,695 posts)
65. I agree with this poll
Sun Mar 3, 2019, 11:18 AM
Mar 2019
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Tom Rinaldo

(22,949 posts)
66. Except that labels have been politicalized
Sun Mar 3, 2019, 12:46 PM
Mar 2019

For at least a few generations "liberals" have been demonized as out of touch elitists who want to tax everyone else to support their "politically correct" causes. To Democrats, "moderate" has been pitched as meaning "sensible." Republicans have been conditioned to believe "moderate" means lacking in core principals while "conservative" is identified as being "patriotic."


The polls that give a more accurate sense are polls that focus on issues without identifying them with political labels, such as "Should the rich pay a higher percentage of taxes than they do now?" When polled on issues voter results swing further toward the left.

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GatoGordo

(2,412 posts)
67. The great middle
Sun Mar 3, 2019, 02:39 PM
Mar 2019

Not all Democratic Party voters are members. Most voters dont belong to any party. We can't win office without them. Party purists insist we swerve hard left. If that's the case, we can kiss goodbye any hope of retaking high office.

I live in flyover country. People are pretty "vanilla" here. They don't like extremes. While you will always get the party faithful to vote, you can't count on the Great Middle.

Last summer our local meetings were inundated with young people who insisted that there was a "new sheriff in town" and they were going to take our party in a new direction. A REAL left turn. Nobody had seen them before and to be honest we haven't seen them since. Not a minute did they spend on the dreary day-to-day goings on that keeps our party relevant. They knew nothing about our voters... only what they wanted.

Let's not cut off our nose.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
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