Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumBernie Sanders praising the Soviet system in 1988
His own words! If you're going to attack the messenger, remember that the messenger is Bernie himself!
Link to tweet
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)Anything within the last couple of decades?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)General Election voters won't care. This would likely be enough to swing the vote to Trump. Face it... a big percentage of the electorate are under-educated and low-information voters. They, combined with the DITW Trump lovers would easily give Trump another victory.
Remember, these are the same ones who were rabidly concerned about emails. Does anyone really believe that the GOP wouldn't use this and milk this for all its worth?
Puh-leeze!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)The person who first told me that wasn't joking. It was in reference to a certain essay he wrote in his thirties. They literally referred to him as a "kid back then".
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Maru Kitteh
(28,345 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
hueymahl
(2,510 posts)Is that sarcasm I'm missing? What was he, like 45-50?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
comradebillyboy
(10,184 posts)"These days, the American dream is more apt to be realized in South America, in places such as Ecuador, Venezuela and Argentina, where incomes are actually more equal today than they are in the land of Horatio Alger. Who's the banana republic now?"
from Bernie Sanders own web site.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Maru Kitteh
(28,345 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
comradebillyboy
(10,184 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
CrossingTheRubicon
(731 posts)We'd have to stretch all the way back to 2011 for his gem from his website:
These days, the American dream is more apt to be realized in South America, in places such as Ecuador, Venezuela and Argentina, where incomes are actually more equal today than they are in the land of Horatio Alger.
Who's the banana republic now?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LisaM
(27,850 posts)Ouch, indeed!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LisaM
(27,850 posts)Just sayin'
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brush
(53,971 posts)if he had gotten the nomination, it wouldn't have been close as it was.
And they still have this and much more for 2020 just in case.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LenaBaby61
(6,979 posts)And like you said WORSE still hanging out there. REEMS of docs I hear/read "on" or "about" Bernie. You also know they'll throw in innuendo, LIES, LIES and more LIES to the mix as well. And we KNOW that the corporate media will run after the NEW shiny object and vet BERNIE when they never really vetted Wall-in-chief. Forget that wall-in-chief hasn't and won't release HIS taxes. NOPE. They'll stay on Bernie and make damn sure he releases HIS taxes, or get an explanation from HIM as to WHY he's not released his taxes, or make his tax situation the new Hillary's emails. PLUS, they'll go all in on his anti-Amber Alert votes, and that book/essay he wrote as a very young man in the early 70's about women/sex etc. They'll be calling him a rapist, although we know Wall-in-chief has over 19 allegations of sexual misconduct and worse probably concerning underaged girls hanging out there against him, yet you know that his team will go after Bernie's book about women/sex etc to deflect, and once again, the corporate media will go after the shiny object AGAIN, just like they went after that NON-ISSUE of Hillary's emails.
Let me put it this way, Bernie will be VETTED like never before by Wall-in-chief's asses and by corporate media asses.
What I believe they'll do to Bernie, won't be pretty. They've already signaled that they're going to go IN on any Dem running and get past what even Lee Atwater did back in the day. We also KNOW that the ruskies will be doing their part to keep their fat ass ruskie asset in the White House.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brush
(53,971 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Awsi Dooger
(14,565 posts)I didn't pay much attention to the 2016 primary because I was certain Hillary would win it. I didn't realize this stuff was out there but one reason I didn't want Bernie was because I was sure a socialism tag was doom, given all the fear-based attachments.
Recently I thought Bernie had more of a chance at the 2020 nomination than others were crediting. Now I'm going to drift back to my own beginning from 2016. We can't afford to nominate anyone who is so easily categorized as too far from the center. I'll continue to emphasize that 46% who thought Gillum was too liberal for the state of Florida.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
calimary
(81,585 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pnwmom
(109,024 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BooScout
(10,406 posts)Exactly when do you think people reach adulthood?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Maru Kitteh
(28,345 posts)had for the good 'ol USSR here. I guess, if it was so awesome, they might possibly agree with Putin that the greatest tragedy was the collapse of the Soviet socialist system?
I don't know. Maybe they should clarify.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)European trade agreements is an issue. He did not do well among minority groups either.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mikehiggins
(5,614 posts)Sanders said some nice things about Moscow and the USSR.
Stop the presses!
Silly, silly thing to criticize, IMHO.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
elleng
(131,369 posts)for POTUS. Lots of that going on around here, sadly.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Devil Child
(2,728 posts)Sen. Sanders is not an unknown candidate and those who support him are aware of his past statements. If many around here are considering Sen. Sanders and this saddens you, it might be helpful to question why he might be generating such interest or support.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
elleng
(131,369 posts)to support and caring for people. What saddens, more like angers me is the regular bashing of Senator Sanders.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Devil Child
(2,728 posts)We are in agreement.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
elleng
(131,369 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,125 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Join the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
elleng
(131,369 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,125 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Join the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Funny how GOP talking points are sprouting up all over DU since Bernie had a fabulous fund raising and volunteer effort pay off hugely and its only the beginning.
Just a coincidence I'm sure. x 10000000000000000000000000000000000
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Trenzalore
(2,331 posts)It is week 1 and the Clinton campaign had a uhaul truck of material they never used.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)party will enjoy these gutter tactics from democrats who are playing right into their hands.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Trenzalore
(2,331 posts)Trump has a bigger Uhaul of shit
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)probably isn't adding to the anxiety...
Tune in @ 8pm et
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
tinrobot
(10,927 posts)Because both sides have expessed love for Russia (at least that's what the GOP will claim)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)That is . . .
I mean . . .
Forget it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brooklynite
(94,948 posts)Very easy to do when you have video of a self-avowed Socialist praising a dictatorial socialist Government.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pangaia
(24,324 posts)is 100% right on the money.
And this is still true today..
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
brooklynite
(94,948 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pangaia
(24,324 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
brooklynite
(94,948 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Trenzalore
(2,331 posts)The sooner the better. Both for the other candidates and for the party as a whole.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Maru Kitteh
(28,345 posts)before.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Trenzalore
(2,331 posts)The whole record needs a spotlight so people can make an informed choice on who will do best in the general election.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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pangaia
(24,324 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...people change.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
tinrobot
(10,927 posts)I'm starting to think there are no coincidences.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
melman
(7,681 posts)If you click through you can see this comes from "the Reagan Battalion". Says it all really.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Go Vols
(5,902 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Devil Child
(2,728 posts)Scraping the barrel for mud to fling.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
bitterross
(4,066 posts)Seriously? That was 31 years ago. The WORLD was a different place.
It's just plain dumb to take some statements a person made 30 years ago and try to evaluate them as current in today's world.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
tinrobot
(10,927 posts)But they did, and they also supported Bernie.
It is highly relevant.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bitterross
(4,066 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
tinrobot
(10,927 posts)WASHINGTON It turns out Donald Trump wasnt the only candidate the Russians allegedly tried to help during the 2016 presidential campaign.
A 37-page indictment resulting from special counsel Robert Muellers investigation shows that Russian nationals and businesses also worked to boost the campaigns of Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders and Green party nominee Jill Stein in an effort to damage Democrat Hillary Clinton.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/02/17/indictment-russians-also-tried-help-bernie-sanders-jill-stein-presidential-campaigns/348051002/
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bitterross
(4,066 posts)Did the indictments implicate Sanders or his campaign as having colluded with the Russians on that? Did the indictments indicate there was knowledge of this in the Sanders campaign and they could have done something pro-active to stop it and did not do so?
I think Reynolds Wrap is still the best for conspiracy theories.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
tinrobot
(10,927 posts)Figures.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bitterross
(4,066 posts)Did I miss a whole line of stories somewhere about how current and former associates of Sanders were meeting non-stop with Russians and lying about it?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)That's not a smear or a swipe, it's just a known fact. And obviously I don't mean while working on Sanders campaign.
It's perfectly understandable to have concerns about some of these coincidences.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Trenzalore
(2,331 posts)Fair or not.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
bitterross
(4,066 posts)If you do, I'd be curious to hear the answer to your question about whether or not they think it's fair.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Trenzalore
(2,331 posts)My neck of the woods they would probably get the socialism and communism confused and this wouldn't help his case.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)& I live in PA - although I may have visited Russia
We have to get the Independents out.. non voters out - the party lines are already drawn, we need the new voter.. the youth, we need to energize & excite... if Dems put up a ho-hum down the middle typecandidate - PA is not happening..
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
CrossingTheRubicon
(731 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)In PA - too close to call..
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
CrossingTheRubicon
(731 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)If you don't draw in NEW voters - ppl that sat out 2016, YOUNG voters engaged by Climate Change & gun reform... Independents that are tired of the same ole same ole - which unfortunately is Biden personified.. PA Republicans r motivated, they don't care how bad Trump is, in fact the worse he gets the more they support him.. it's disturbing really.
I just see it being a close race again.. close is not a good omen IMO
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
brooklynite
(94,948 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
WordsMatter
(80 posts)Note to candidates: Don't you ever dare to comment on other countries...past or present!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)Those chandeliers are such a great display of social progress. The video is actually kind of funny in a sad way.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
honest.abe
(8,688 posts)should Bernie win the nom.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)You think they had fun with "emails"??? ... this would be an endless and perpetual goldmine!
There's no way that Bernie could defeat Trump.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dogman
(6,073 posts)There was a time that citing RW sources was not accepted. I guess if it's Bernie, anything goes.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Go Vols
(5,902 posts)Mayor Sanders and others Q&A
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
dogman
(6,073 posts)In what world is this a thing other than with the GOP?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
melman
(7,681 posts)how the same crowd that's been howling about edited videos for the last three days...
...suddenly has no problem with edited videos.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Go Vols
(5,902 posts):/
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)And hypocritical and disgusting that democrats are using GOP opp research bullshit talking points!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Devil Child
(2,728 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
pangaia
(24,324 posts)They are absolutely right.
They are talking, in this clip at least, mostly about the extraordinarily high level of culture in the former Soviet Union, particularly in cities, a level which continues to this day, and the importance that is placed on culture in society- an importance that puts culture in America to shame. And that it was and is strongly supported by the government.
So for you to say that, in this clip, Sanders is "praising the Soviet system" is disingenuous.
I have no idea what else was said at this event, but in these few seconds I agree with him..
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Devil Child
(2,728 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
IluvPitties
(3,181 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)Only a RWer would think this has any negative connotation or significance.. my goodness, keep scraping the bottom of the barrel I guess...
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Go Vols
(5,902 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Devil Child
(2,728 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,355 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
flotsam
(3,268 posts)Oh yeah,that's right-the clip is so fucking old she wasn't born yet!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hav
(5,969 posts)I grew up in East Germany. The things he mentioned were very true for East Germany as well. Good public transportation, support of culture, programs of all kinds for kids. Learning an instrument, for instance, was incredibly affordable. He didn't mention the negatives, which is of course crucial, but what he said was so mild that it's ludicrous to make an issue out of it.
It's hard for me to believe that praising nice train stations (some stations in Russia are actually stunning) or affordable ticket prices is something that will have any impact.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
CrossingTheRubicon
(731 posts)Which, as you also said, is crucial.
When one leaves out things that are crucial, to focus only on the positive, one becomes an apologist.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
forklift
(401 posts)I believe and I know Bernie to be a progressive who will provide free education, free health care and tax free existence to poor people by taxing the rich people instead.
As long as people making under 50,000 are not taxed at all who cares what Bernie said way back when?
My faith cannot be easily rattled. Bernie is the only person who can save the world.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Lazy Daisy
(928 posts)and I know it can be difficult around here as a Sanders supporter so please take this from where it's coming. But......your post is making you look like a plant and not the green leafy type. It's over the top. Nothing is "free" I hope you understand that.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
forklift
(401 posts)Of course nothing is free in the plan except college tuition on the part of the students.
Same thing with healthcare which will have a sliding scale with zero to low out of pocket to low incomes and then supplemental insurance for those who can afford it.
Taxpayers will be paying for the programs, hopefully by higher taxes on people with very high incomes and by savings from cuts in the military budget and corporate welfare.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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progressoid
(50,012 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ZeroSomeBrains
(638 posts)Watching all the anti-Bernie people reach for anything they can to attack him is rather entertaining.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
James48
(4,444 posts)The public transportation systems in just about EVERY European nation are far superior to the public transportation I. Most US cities.
Hell, I live outside Detroit, and there IS NO Public transportation where I am.
When I lived in Germany in the US Army, I could travel to almost any town or even village using trains, streetcars and buses.
You cant do that here in most cities.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided