Sanders should drop before the party is irreparably harmed

[SDANation]

Sanders is doing significantly worse than 2016. In some states 50% less votes. Yes he dominates the youth vote but the youth vote is historically flaky that’s why 65+ voting block is huge every election because they are reliable, consistent voters.

Bernie got smoked this Super Tuesday by Biden who had barely any spending in several states. Sure Bernie has huge rallies in MA and MN, but rallies don’t equal votes. Several polls had him winning handily. This Tuesday is an abject failure for his campaign. He splits delegate counts in every state he won. After next Tuesday it’s going to get further out of reach. If he can get past his ego and he truly cares about the party and left political advancement he should drop. Otherwise we all get screwed with a repeat of 2016 that will be much worse.

Maine for example: 2016 sanders 64.3 Clinton 35.5
2020 sanders 33.1 Biden 33.9

A 30 pt drop when you’ve been campaigning for 4 years?! That doesn’t exactly exude confidence for a victory.

[DarthDem]

2. If you add Bloomberg's total to Biden's

Sen. Sanders would lose CA by a huge margin.

Also, any Dem will win California in the general. I'd like to see someone with even broader appeal.

[CentralMass]

7. Then get Bloomberg to drop out.

[squirecam]

13. He may do so

Nt

[DarthDem]

30. I believe he's going to

[arthritisR_US]

47. Your right, get Bloomberg and Sander's to

drop out .

[hangaleft]

61. My right?

[MineralMan]

71. He did that this morning.

[SDANation]

10. But he didn't he lost.

[DarthDem]

31. I answered this already elsewhere

And since Chris Hayes said the same thing on air,I'm guessing it's a Sanders talking point. In any case, it's not relevant now.

[Stallion]

20. Plus Each and Every Bloomberg Delegate Will be in Biden's Column at Democratic Convention

Turn out the Lights the Party's Over

[arthritisR_US]

40. They will never realize reality and instead

determine to divide the party and destroy your country by giving your orange shitgibbon his second undeserved term.

[SDANation]

9. Just saying sanders didn't just underperform

He got destroyed. CA he had 23 field offices to Biden’s 1? If he wins by less than 20pts that’s a failure.

Maine for example: 2016 sanders 64.3 Clinton 35.5
2020 sanders 33.1 Biden 33.9

A 30 pt drop when you’ve been campaigning for 4 years?! That doesn’t exactly exude confidence for a victory.

[arthritisR_US]

41. Excellent points, I hope they don't fall on

deaf ears.

[SunsetDreams2]

11. You really think the Democratic Nominee

Won’t win California?

I agree with you though, Bernie should not drop out. Neither one of them should. It’s too premature.

[ProudMNDemocrat]

14. I will disagree with you.

Voters in the South are beginning to wake up. They see that under Republicans, things have not improved for them.

States like Georgia, SC, NC, even Florida, saw larger voter turnouts in 2018 for the Midterms. If Democrats can take these states in the General, Trump loses. The GOP loses.

[HarlanPepper]

15. Bahahaha

[Meadowoak]

24. +1000

[DarthDem]

32. I agree with you there

[ibegurpard]

37. yup it's gross

A lot of people are voting for Sanders. We are going to need every vote we can get.

[arthritisR_US]

42. I hope they are listening.

[ibegurpard]

43. A lot of them will

And many are lost causes. Can't let the lost causes allow you to write off everyone.

[arthritisR_US]

44. So very true my friend.

[wiley]

25. Biden won Texas, MN and Virginia and NC

Biden will win Texas, MN and Virginia and NC in November. It's not a crown. It's our only hope to save the country. Sorry Sanders was so badly disappointed tonight. It sucks to lose. I remeber 2016 very well. That won't happen again with Biden. Have a great night!

[AkFemDem]

53. California is dependably blue- we know how they will vote in a GE

The places that NEED energy and a strong base are the places Biden blew out last night.

Biden is the logical choice if you want Trump gone.

[bearsfootball516]

56. CA is being won by the Democratic nominee in November, period.

Joe won across the board last night. He won in blue states like Massachusetts, Minnesota and Virginia. He destroyed Bernie in purple states like North Carolina. If we want to win in November, we need a candidate that can win moderate votes in swing states.

Last night among those voters, Biden absolutely annihilated Bernie.

[StarfishSaver]

57. "Winning states that Trump will take in the general" is a baseless argument.

Just as meaningless as claiming a candidate winning a state that will go Democratic in the general is proof of their viability.

Winning or losing a primary in which only Democrats vote says nothing about how a candidate will fare in a general election when facing a larger electorate. Suggesting the former is a predictor of the latter makes no sense.

I wish people would stop making this argument. It makes them sound unserious.

[TwilightZone]

66. "won states that Trump will take in the general"

That myth and its thinly-veiled bigotry died last night with Biden's wins in MN, MA, VA, and NC.

[Celerity]

69. Biden beat Sanders in same day voting in CA. The big issue

was the early voting that was sent in bedore SC. I myself had it happwn to me.

Bernie has zero path and needs to drop out ASAP. To carry on is simply divisive, churlish, and spiteful.

[pampango]

77. "Democrats fall in love, republicans fall in line."

I don't see the need for our primary to be effectively over in the first week of March. The GOP decided to not have a primary at all and just 'fall in line'. We don't have to be almost like them and close down our primary when one candidate or another had a good day.

[jimfields33]

80. Good grief

Biden's basically worked 3 days. Let’s see if he can maintain this.

[we can do it]

75. 😹😹😹😂😂😂😂😂

[LovingA2andMI]

3. It's Time...

#DropOutBernie

[LovingA2andMI]

6. It's Past Time....

For #DropOutBernie and before you ask, Elizabeth will leave the race tomorrow and support a Real Democrat named Joe Biden.

[Raine]

16. How do you know she's leaving

tomorrow, where did you hear this? I'm so tired of everyone of my choices dropping out.

[SDANation]

17. I don't see how she can keep going, I like warren,

A lot! But she and Bloomberg are gone tomorrow

[fleabiscuit]

5. Drop out BS. nt

[HarlanPepper]

18. Nah

schadenfreude.

[SDANation]

19. Hahaha!

[HarlanPepper]

68. Yeah.

[USALiberal]

60. Why the snark? Nt

[HarlanPepper]

70. Because it's deserved.

[USALiberal]

72. Not really, but seems to be the behavior here! Nt

[Shrike47]

22. Why would Sanders care if the Democratic Party is irreparably harmed? Seriously.

And any harm suffered will be repairable. Really.

[SDANation]

23. Not if he carries that fight all the way to the convention

We already face an uphill battle against trump and the longer it goes on the longer the “rigged” conspiracy theory goes on. Cause if his followers conclude they got “robbed” twice. It may cause a fracture with in the party. And if that happens his voters stay home and boom 4 more years of trump.

[RockRaven]

26. Can someone point us to an example of Sanders caring if the Dem Party is irreparably harmed?

Serious question. A historical example of Bernie Sanders prioritizing the Democratic Party's future over other concerns. Anyone? Your best example of him doing something substantive in that vein where it wasn't just sound and fury...

[Mike Niendorff]

27. Nonsense.

Sanders has single-handedly done more to right the ship of the Democratic Party than anyone else in the last 20 years.

He is essentially an FDR Democrat, operating in an era characterized far too much by center-right capitulation and abdication of critical regulatory responsibilities.

His voice is important and genuine, and he speaks for many, many people. Myself included.

And at the end of the day, whoever is the nominee will get my support 100%. I trust everyone here can say the same, and that if Bernie is the nominee that will likewise hold 100%.

MDN

[Luciferous]

62. Thanks, I get really tired of all the Bernie bashing around here. These Biden supporters

should remember that they need Bernie supporters to support Biden in the GE, or it will be 2016 all over again.

[vercetti2021]

28. Nope

His ego won't allow that.

[NanceGreggs]

29. I won't ever hold my breath ...

... waiting for Bernie to do anything other than look out for Bernie.

[Crowman]

33. OK, fine, do that...

.... but Bernie isn't going anywhere except to carry on his crusade for real change for all Americans everywhere. Joe can keep doing whatever.

[NanceGreggs]

36. Yes, Bernie will continue ...

... to carry on his crusade for himself, regardless of how many people reject his alleged "real change for all Americans".

[ibegurpard]

34. why?

trying to push him out is just going to antagonize and anger people. I see his path as even less certain than it was four years ago. He lost states today he won in 2016. Let it play out and work to try and reach out to the people attracted to his message. We are going to need them.

[helpisontheway]

35. Sanders does not care about the party. He would rip it apart

and burn it down to get what he wants. He likes to use the Democratic label to run. Then attack Democratic Party. Then switch back to independent after he loses. He wants to win.

[NanceGreggs]

38. A man stupid enough ...

... to bash the Democrats whose support he would need if he were elected is obviously too stupid to be elected in the first place.

[arthritisR_US]

49. Absofeckinglutely!

[betsuni]

52. +1

[Luciferous]

63. He wants to help the American people who have been fucked over too many

times. He doesn't want to rip apart the party, he wants to change it and make it better.

[beachbumbob]

39. sanders personalty doesn't allow himself to drop out, and whether or not it damages the

democratic party and helps trump win in Nov is simply not important to him and the majority of his supporters,


Makes all the pressure on us to do all we can for Biden.

[Mister Ed]

45. I don't want him to drop. I want his campaign to drop the divisiveness.

The nation and the world face a dark future if Trump's drive toward dictatorship is not thwarted. In a battle this desperate, we cannot afford to attack and wound our allies.

[BeyondGeography]

54. Yes, run against Trump, promote your policies, lay off Biden personally

He won’t do that though. And even if he shifts his focus ever so slightly his army of krystal balls will keep poisoning the well.

[man4allcats]

46. Yo' momma. n/t

[arthritisR_US]

48. Reality bites, when will they realize it and

at whose peril?

[zackymilly]

51. It's time for Sanders to go back to independent living. n/t

[MFM008]

55. I think

He doesnt care.

[Hav]

58. It looks he's rather going more negative to somehow save his crumbling campaign

But I'm not sure why it's even worth it to argue whether he cares about the party. He clearly does not. He cannot look beyond his own personal interests. It's one reason for his inability to form coalitions that not only doomed his campaign but also affected his legislative achievements.

[NurseJackie]

59. I'm thinking that Hillary's recent comments on Hulu were valid...

... regarding Bernie's accomplishments and how others feel about him, and his inability to "work well with others". Many here and elsewhere dismissed her comments on Hulu and characterized her as being bitter or "lashing out", but as time goes on and as the vetting continues, I'm more and more convinced at how right she was. Very insightful... plus... she'd obviously been talking to many others, privately, who had not shared their opinions in writing or in any sort of interview.

[Faux pas]

64. Why?

It's amazing that the bidenites can demand what others should do and bitch about Bernie endlessly? How the F does that create party "unity"? Sheesh and

[d_b]

65. Lol Bernie's not going anywhere

That’s funny though.

[redstatebluegirl]

67. He doesn't care if he destroys our party, that is what he wants to do.

[democrattotheend]

73. I'd like the chance to vote, please

My state doesn't vote until late April and I would like the chance to have a say. And I think calls for Bernie to drop out are pretty ironic coming from supporters of a candidate who was left for dead less than a week ago. How about we let everyone vote unless someone gets to 1990. I wasn't planning on supporting Bernie this year, but if Warren drops out I just might. And posts like this are making me more inclined to do so.

That said, if neither gets to 1990 but Biden has a plurality, I hope Bernie will stand by what he said at the last debate and step aside.

[Wounded Bear]

74. Sanders whole plan is to "wreck" the party...

it's a hostile takeover bid.

[LaurenOlimina]

76. What gets "irreparably harmed"?

I think he should stay in and drag the party left again.

[grossproffit]

78. He won't. We're going to see a repeat of 2016.

[redstatebluegirl]

79. I am ready to just ignore him.

I think ignoring him is the trick here. He is going to keep poking the bear all the way to the convention and try and disrupt it again. Get into the platform meetings and act like a jerk. I hope the party is ready this time.

[CentralMass]

81. If Biden wins the nomination I'll vote for him because I have to not because I want to.

[Zing Zing Zingbah]

82. Yeah, that's a big popularity drop for Sanders in Maine

Not a good sign that he is losing support in New England.

[lindysalsagal]

83. Yes. Said here in a great wapo OP ed

"But now they have a different predicament. Democrats find themselves in a bit of a rerun of the Sanders-Clinton race of 2016. Whatever happens in the rest of the primary season, Sanders will have substantial support — and a large number of delegates. If he loses to Biden and doesn’t embrace the Democratic ticket, his supporters might stay home in November, handing victory to Trump."

Dana Milbank: The Sanders Revolution Has Stalled. Wapo

.https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/03/03/sanders-revolution-has-stalled/

[Martin Eden]

84. Sanders should keep fighting as long as he has a viable path to the nomination

… and he should never stop fighting for what he believes in. It would be a disservice to all his supporters who put their hearts and souls into his campaign.

Sanders should drop out when he is no longer viable for the nomination, at which point he must put his heart and soul and his followers into the campaign for defeating Donald Trump -- the existential threat to our democracy and all the issues WE ALL care so very much about.