Rachel: Is Obama part of the Democratic establishment? Bernie: No

[AGeddy]

Bernie is getting desperate.

If there is such a thing as the "Democratic Establishment", Barack Obama is the grand poobah of it.

[Thekaspervote]

1. This!

[msongs]

2. would I use him and his good name in my ad if he was? hmmm nt

[TwilightZone]

3. Pete is part of the establishment, but Obama isn't?

Uh, what?

[relayerbob]

33. LOL

[AlexSFCA]

4. wow, then Biden is not either

BS is the establishment

[dawg day]

35. Well, BS has been in Congress for decades....

Compared to, say, Young Mayor Pete who has been alive about that long.

Someone who has been an elected official in the highest legislator body that long kind of is "the establishment."

Certainly more than elderly Democratic precinct committeepersons in South Carolina, as he keeps implying.

[Cha]

5. So by that logic.. Neither is Biden.. you

heard it here first, folks!

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

6. I guess Bernie gets to define "the Democratic Establishment"

in whatever manner seems convenient at any given time. Mostly it's people who don't want him to be the nominee (and that probably includes Obama).

[TwilightZone]

8. He should be asked for a list of examples every time he says it.

Name the names, Bernie. As you name them off, you'll lose support from people who they represent and/or who respect them.

[Ferrets are Cool]

15. This

[relayerbob]

32. Sounds good

[OnDoutside]

45. Well said. It's his typical sweeping statements, and NO ONE challenges him on it.

[DrToast]

9. Lol...it's a very fluid establishment!

[uponit7771]

20. +1,

[iluvtennis]

21. Ding, ding, ding...correct. nt

[George II]

7. The "establishment" is a figment of someone's imagination.

[mcar]

10. Did he think Obama was establishment when he wanted him primaried

Really lame, Bernie.

[yardwork]

11. Ok, that's funny.

[William769]

14. +1

[blm]

12. And his supporters wanted THIS talktalker instead of a DOer.

What kind of a bizarro world reward system does one have to vote for a talker instead of a person of action with major accomplishments that benefited working families?

[AGeddy]

13. Bernie and Barack - like Thelma and Louise, just two outsiders taking on "the Man"

[showblue22]

16. Obama is not the establishment but his VP is?

[AGeddy]

17. Bernie is about 2 days away from blaming everything on George Soros

[relayerbob]

31. Hahahahahahah

I said to my wife when she got home: "I'm waiting for him to blame George Soros for this!" and she said "Yeah, where's our check from that guy" hahaha

[madaboutharry]

18. I think the Super Tuesday results rattled him.

He thought he was on a clear trajectory towards the nomination and then out of nowhere...whoosh...along came Joe Biden who snatched it away. In a matter of hours Bernie’s front runner status evaporated. This revealed something: Bernie is not a planner. He doesn’t think strategically. It’s all emotion on the surface. Bernie’s revolution is a mile wide and an inch deep.

[Vivienne235729]

19. Well, that's what you have to say when you are stuck between a rock and a hard place.

He may need Obama in the future. So can't burn that bridge. This is kinda hard to spin into his narrative/movement. DAMN. Rachel Maddow is REALLY good at what she does.

[mopinko]

22. i dont know about others, but i have had enough of alternate realities.

rly. can we fight this on earth one?

[docgee]

23. How does he maintain 13% on this site saying such things?

[patphil]

24. The problem is that Bernie is running against the Democratic Establishment...

and that includes a strong majority of all Democrats.
He needs to open up the flaps of his tent a bit and stop with the anti-establishment rhetoric.
He could just as easily hold all the positions he now does, but not make it an us vs them proposition.
I realize he is charging up his base, but the price may be too big to pay in November.
It's going to take all of the Democratic voters to get the job done. I don't want to see a group of disgruntled, sour-grape voters staying home rather than vote for the guy who took their guy down in the Democratic nomination process.
The stakes are far too high for that kind of stuff.

[frazzled]

29. He's running inside the Democratic establishment structure

He would have no platform whatsoever if he didn’t run in the Democratic debates and races. He’s using it for his benefit, even as he condemns it. That, in the common parlance, is what we call hypocrisy.

He really should have embraced his independent bona fides and run as an independent.

[patphil]

50. Yes, he's running within the Democratic establishment structure as a non-Democrat.

That's what I see as his ultimate limiting factor. He wants to revolutionize the Democratic Party, but hasn't seen fit to join it.
That's why I feel he should drop this whole anti-establishment crap.
The gains he gets from the far-left are outweighed by what he loses from the traditional Democrats in the middle, including most of the black community.
Bernie is polarizing the party with an us vs them message.
A party he doesn't even belong to.
It's fine to be an independent, but then what is he doing in our primaries?
Come on Bernie!
Declare yourself a Democrat and open up your tent to include all Democrats, not just the far-left.

[Mme. Defarge]

25. "Establishment"

is so 1960’s.

[wnylib]

40. I was about to post the same thing

after reading through the thread first. Then I saw that you had already done it.

All this establishment talk feels like a time warp or an attempted resurrection of the1960's. Is Sanders trying to relive his 20's and 30's?

[Mme. Defarge]

46. He doesn't seem to have outgrown them.

[wnylib]

49. Yes, like he's still living his college

and early post college years. He's almost a decade ahesd of me, but I remrmber a lot of talk about a socialist revolution back then. The Beetles responded with the lyrics to Revolution.

[doc03]

26. Hasn't Bernie been in a government job for like 50 years? Oh I forgot

he is not a Democrat unless he is running for president.

[LexVegas]

27. He has no shame. nt

[relayerbob]

28. NFW!!!

He said that???

I need to see that. OMG

[Historic NY]

30. He's running a bunch of Obama suckup ads in Florida...

my niece just called me while we were talking there were at least three I heard on the tv in the background.

https://nypost.com/2020/03/04/bernie-sanders-on-obama-im-not-going-to-say-he-and-i-are-best-friends/]

https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/watch/symone-sanders-new-sen-sanders-ad-is-an-attempt-to-wrap-himself-in-the-cloak-of-obama-80028229568]

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/03/04/sanders-obama-ad-super-tuesday-results-lead-vpx.cnn]

fact check
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/04/politics/fact-check-sanders-ad-obama/index.html]

[relayerbob]

38. ok, that's freaking me out a little

as I say elsewhere, do we need another President who needs to be fact checked?

[wnylib]

43. Is Sanders trying to appeal to more

AA voters after the results of Super Tuesday? Trying to rewrite recent history to create an alliance with Obama's political views that does not exist?

When did Obama endorse socialism? Or "democratic socialism"? I must have missed that.

[honest.abe]

34. I would bet dollars to donuts his supporters would answer that yes..

emphatically.

[C Moon]

36. Ouch.

[relayerbob]

37. Obama's so out of the loop

that virtually the entire world, left and right, hangs on his every word like tea leaves.

This is truly scary messaging. Do we need another President that has to get fact-checked on a regular basis?

[BootinUp]

39. This is the same kind of cognitive dissonance

I’ve seen from Senator Sanders before.

[HarlanPepper]

41. Tactically this is both smart and not so smart

Smart in that it’s an attempt to cling to the most popular black public figure since MLK. He thinks it’ll help with black voters. I tend to think it will be viewed as transparent.

The not so smart part is he risks provoking Obama to “clarify” who he’s backing, which would all but end Bernie’s campaign. I doubt that’ll happen. I don’t expect him to weigh in before the very end. But why tempt fate.

[wnylib]

44. You just expressed my thoughts

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on this exactly.

Obama has said that he will not endorse anyone or comment on the primary campaigns. He will wait until voters make their choice and then back the nominee.

He could make a public clarification comment, in ight of the Sanders ads that he (Obama) has not endorsed anyone.

[rusty quoin]

42. So I go to the bottom of responses and say that Bernie has more to do with FDR than most.

It’s fact. If you like post Reagan and money in our elections, we’ll that’s you.

I think that the money is corruption like it was the 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, and then the citizen united thing really changed the game.

I like Bernie’s thinking over Democratic Establishment because it’s no different than FDR. I’m old school...really old school.

[uponit7771]

47. Sanders doesn't get to define who any establishment is so the last sentence makes no sense.

Sanders ... IS ... establishment and FDR understood his voting block at the least, Sanders hasn't shown this.

Sanders is now sucking up to Obama by Sanders own definition is the epitome of establishment ... he's all over the place

[LanternWaste]

48. Making up one's own definition is not "fact", it's creative, it's imaginative, it's hip...

but it ain't "fact." Truth be told, pretending our own definitions of words are facts are antithetical to actual facts.



So yeah... I guess you actually did go the 'bottom of responses', but certainly not in any literal sense.