This Bernie Supporter Demands All Sanders/Biden Supporters Be Nice To Others PERIOD

[DanieRains]

As a Bernie Supporter I know many of you are angry at lots of stuff my friends. I too am tired of being robbed blind by the 1% while they literally steal from my family in plain sight. It is tough watching the people who are not willing to stand up to the power of MONEY getting in our way as we try to create a more fair, and just country. Going against 50 Trillion In Wealth will never be easy. Not for us, and not for Bernie, or Elizabeth, Joe or anyone else.

The 1% own the Republicans, and their money has a huge influence on GOOD DEMOCRATS. Whether they are "the establishment" or not it doesn't really matter. You need 50 million dollars to run for the Senate and where do you get it? From the wealthy in wine caves. It isn't right, but it is the current system. No one can do anything good unless they get elected, and they can't get elected without money regardless how noble their goals are. It truly sucks.

Money / Establishment is complicated. My advice to all is get Democrats elected, and work tirelessly to get the influence of money out of our politics, and restore DEMOCRACY where the power is with the people not just the 1% or the wealthy.

Now go forth and be nice. Not all rude people are Bernie Supporters, and this message is to all. This primary will be a good fight. We can all be nice, stand up for our candidates, and our principles, and our ideals. If we are not nice it makes the work of others meaningless.

We can't take back the Senate or the White House if we are acting like idiots.

From this point forward I will consider all rude people Russian Agents....

Now please don't suspend my account for telling the truth. Democrats are better people. Period. I count Bernie as a real Democrat. A different kind of Democrat. A Roosevelt Democrat. Remember him? Social Security. Unemployment. New Deal. You get it right.

[still_one]

1. I agree with you, but unless the respective campaigns lead the way, it isn't going to happen

[FirstLight]

5. We can still try and do it here though

I've never attacked another DUer

Shouldn't I expect the same?

[Mister Ed]

62. "If the people lead, the leaders will follow". n/t

[Doremus]

65. Bernie has disavowed the nastiness several times. Has anyone yet apologized for the vitriol

his staff has endured? Crickets.

99% of Bernie's supporters are good people. Vilifying them for the actions of a few, most of whom are probably Russian agents, is stupid, childish and might just cost us enough good progressives to tilt the GE in the wrong direction.

Wake up people. I for one am sick to death of it.

[FirstLight]

2. THANK YOU!

I'm sorry that so many feel they have been dissed by Bernie or his people
But it's really not helpfully when every time I come here, I feel the vitriol and it's really disheartening.

I have taken breaks from DU before...But I don't like feeling like I can't even open my mouth without being trashed.
Bernie is my guy
...and he and US don't deserve the anger.

[Meadowoak]

4. +1

[Colo indy]

20. Thank you

+1

[Todd79]

25. True

Don’t take my calling out the candidate or saying that online supporters are coming unhinged as a personal attack on any supporters here.

[madaboutharry]

3. I am sure you are a nice person who is respectful.

The same can not be said about some who work in Sanders’ campaign or about some of his supporters. Watch Warren’s interview with Rachel. It doesn’t seem she is over the abuse.

[DanieRains]

8. I Am Not Condoning Bad Behavior By Anyone

I am just saying I understand why so many are angry, and see so little progress while the ice melts, the fires burn, and we are dying like flies from lack of healthcare. Then there is the untaxed rich.

The 1% are smart, and I am convinced many instigators work for the 1% to weaken Bernie's movement by pretending to be Bernie People. I have no proof, but it is what I suspect. I don't trust anyone in politics.

Anything for $$$.

This is America.

The good have to drown out the bad.

With the GOP there is nothing but bad.

[Paka]

9. And we all see things differently.

I have heard so many people denounce and rail against Nina Turner on DU, whereas I find her awesome and inspirational.

[Todd79]

27. Nina

Attacking Nina a Turner is not attacking you supporters. Nina is an official campaign rep whose behavior has hurt Sanders standing among a lot of people who don’t particularly want to bash him.

[lark]

43. Her working hard to make sure people didn't vote for Hillary is inspiring?

She worked hard to help drumpf (by helping RT's fave - Stein) and hurt Democrats all over the nation. How is that not bad and disqualifying? I think she's the worst of the worst - spreading hate and hurting Democrats because we don't meet her standards of purity. - She doesn't rail against drumpf the way she does against Biden & Democrats.

[DanieRains]

6. There Is A Reason Bernie Has Had More People Donate To His Campaign Than Anyone In History

And I wish more people understood why so many appreciate his ideas, and his voice.

There are a lot of angry people out there, and they should not be the story. Ever.

While we are being mean to each other, the Republicans are plotting the takeover of our entire government by any means possible.

We need to be united against THEIR EVIL.

All Democrats, and All Independents.

We are fighting evil.

Period.

[Chicago1980]

12. Yeah well...

That didn't translate to the most votes in history or any other way...

I'm just saying.

But yes, we all must unite in November.

[empedocles]

28. Anger is no small part of the many political campaign contributions, at both ends

of the political spectrum.

[beachbumbob]

55. one groups anger gave us trump

[Paka]

7. K&R

We are all fighting the same curruption, we just have different ideas how to do it.

[Gothmog]

10. sanders was asked to control his vetted delegates at the national convention and refused

Normally going to a national convention is a once in a life time experience. I have worked really hard inside the party on campaigns and voter protection issues for a very long time to earn this trip. Too bad that sanders and his vetted delegates ruined that experience and did their best to help trump. A candidate has absolute approval rights over their pledged delegates because these delegates can change their votes and these delegates represent the candidate and campaign. I helped vet Clinton delegates and I know that I was vetted. The Clinton campaign told us that we represent her and that our actions would reflect on her and her campaign.

In contrast, sanders sent one very weak text the Sunday night before the convention and then did little or nothing to control his delegates. It was nasty I was there when the sanders delegates booed Congressman John Lewis. I was warned about this stunt 30 minutes before it happened by the Clinton campaign whip. According to my whip, sanders was asked to stop this event and declined. That incident will be used against sanders by Russia to suppress the African American vote just as was done in 2016

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Russia will just run material showing sanders delegates booing John Lewis, Elijah Cummings and others to suppress the vote of African American voters and I feel that this tactic would be very effective

I was at the Texas delegation breakfast when a group of sanders delegates marched in and demanded that we condemn Clinton and change our votes to sanders.

sanders spoke to the Texas delegation the next morning and his speech was again solely about himself. There was a mini-riot due to his delegates the prior morning and the only thing that sanders talked about was himself. sanders did nothing to deal with the fact that his delegates were out of control and did nothing to try to help Hillary Clinton win the general election.

Finally a group of sanders delegates yelled at my daughter and called her the c-Word because she would not try to get me to change my vote. Again sanders was asked to tell his delegates to behave during the convention and sanders refused.

The conduct that I experience mirrors the conduct that Senator Warren experienced.

Link to tweet

The concept that it is okay for sanders and his supporters to engaged in this conduct but it is not okay to talk about this conduct does not work

[Thekaspervote]

11. Thank you Gothmog for your personal insight. U R right sweeping the facts under the rug isn't how

It should be handled. Bad behavior is bad behavior and there’s no excuse for it. Sanders and his supporters should be called out until those that have behaved so badly are literally driven away from the table.

In the long run, this bad behavior seriously backfired on sanders and drove voters away. Hopefully this will become discussion in the future of how not to run a campaign

[Gothmog]

35. Sanders wants to ignore this issue

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[betsuni]

13. +1

[Skidmore]

14. Instead of demanding,

perhaps asking.

[Croney]

29. My first thought too.

[LizBeth]

15. I have a tough time with 5 years of Sanders insisting I am not a progressive and I do not care about

all Democrats hold dear with trash talk from him. I have a tough time with Sanders telling me I voted for HRC merely because she is a woman. Nah, I want him to lose and lose big. i am not feeling cooperative with Sanders. He has once again done damage to Democrats, our party and has made our primary not fun and affected it in a manner that we are down to two because we all have to support one, and not let the natural process happen with our Democrats that we would be happy with any one of them. But no, we had to stop our primary and all get behind Biden, to stop Sanders who had little to no opposition because he was not splitting votes by five.

nah....

[Skidmore]

17. See above.

I went all passive aggressive and brief in my response but you very much said what I feel and believe.

[OnDoutside]

16. I feel your pain and embarrassment. My advice to you is to encourage Bernie supporters to move on,

because most people here are mild mannered and are happy to include people, but there's only so much accusations of Biden supporters being traitors, corporate lackeys and low information voters that they are willing to take. Draw a line in the sand and move on.

[Colo indy]

23. So how many votes can the Democrats lose?

If you truly dont want bernie supporters than I can respect that and move on.
Just how many votes can you lose?
I have 5 children and all want Bernie for president. The oldest is 32 the youngest 21. If you continue to insult them and say you dont want thier voices or votes. Do you honestly think they won't move to the green party.

So how many votes can the democratic party lose?

[OnDoutside]

24. If your 5 children are the ones crapping all over social media, I suspect there's nothing anyone can

say to them. They either want to vote against Donald Trump's Democratic opponent, or they don't. Considering the amount of Sanders supporters who voted for Trump in 2016, and how few young Sanders supporters actually voted for him in 2020, I personally think a better strategy to nominate a moderate, normal candidate who doesn't frighten all those suburban moms and independents. Those people vote, and those people voted in the 2018 midterms.

[ehrnst]

32. If your kids aren't doing the things being talked about, then how is it "insulting" them?

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Sounds like a case of the shoe fitting...

[Colo indy]

44. Would you like it to happen to you?

Actually no my children aren't the ones who are doing it. Quite frankly they don't have the time to get online and argue. They have to much they do in real life. You know jobs, wives, kids. Chores, etc.
However they do watch the news and all they hear is how bernie bros this and bernie bros that. I am an independent have been my whole life. I took my children to caucus in iowa for obama. In Des Moines. They all loved it (honestly the little ones loved the food) but it was something that got them excited.
I had to move back to denver to take care of my parents after an accident, so I couldnt get them involved further with the process. (You know life).
However as adults their politics is definitely left. Of course they all approved of Obama. Not one voted for Hillary, some weren't old enough to vote, one wrote in Sanders and the rest voted Jill. What I an saying is attacking these voters on the news. Young people who aren't involved in these things, but you through them all into the same pot. Will lose you votes, not just now but for the next 50 years as well. Is that smart?
Wouldn't a better way is to say, some supporters may go a little to far on occasion. However we understand and still want you on our team. And before you say anything I have had Biden supporters attack me saying that i was a lazy "boy" who needed to get off my ass and get a job. No apology when this semi retired grandma posted a picture of me and my grandbaby.
I have warren and especially Clinton supports accuse me of some very vile things simply because I would not vote for her. Every candidate has supporters that may be too passionate. To lump them all in one category and scold them is not doing the party any good. Maybe the party should listen to them.
Sorry, this may have rambled, I just woke up and need to go make my coffee.
I hope you all have a great day.

[ehrnst]

45. So why did you say that your "children were insulted" or "attacked?"

[Colo indy]

48. Because that's how they feel.

They feel insulted and attacked. they listen to the news. They listened to Warren last night and felt that she was saying all bernie supporters are included.
You can dislike all the people who are doing the attacking in all camps, however you have to do it in a way that doesn't alienate bernie supporters who just hope for a better future for thier
children.
They all feel bernie is that person. They want to vote for something, not against someone.
If biden is the person you want, then stop with the attacks on bernie and start listening to why the youth want him.
Why I want bernie. Try to bring them into the tent, not yell at them and tell them to move on. Warren could have said that I understand why they are passionate and here is why we want that passion, and show by example of how to include them. Not whine because she got snake emojis. yes call out all the people who are really insulting in all camps. But throwing all in one big bag and saying, shut up is not how to do it.
Talk about how you understand why they like the policies they like. Listen to them. You catch more flies with honey than vinegar.

[ehrnst]

52. About that 'youth vote.."

"Have we been as successful as I would hope in bringing young people in? The answer is no."

After 14 states held primary contests on Super Tuesday, Sanders acknowledged to reporters that he'd been "disappointed" with the results.

"Have we been as successful as I would hope in bringing young people in? The answer is no," Sanders told reporters at a news conference at his Burlington, Vt., headquarters. Sanders went on to acknowledge the undeniable challenge that any candidate banking on the support of younger voters faces: They do not vote in high numbers, compared with other groups.

"I think that will change in the general election, but I will be honest with you, we have not done as well with bringing young people into the process," Sanders said. "It is not easy."

https://www.npr.org/2020/03/06/812486517/bernie-sanders-call-for-young-voters-isn-t-working-out-the-way-he-planned

[democrattotheend]

46. Because people lump all "Bernie supporters" together and treat them as a monolithic bloc

And often assume that anyone who does something obnoxious is a Bernie supporter even when it's not true (such as the dairy protesters who interrupted Biden's speech the other night).

At least Bush, for all his faults, made a point of saying after 9/11 that the attacks were not a reflection on the vast majority of law-abiding patriotic Muslims in this country. Many of the people on here who trash "Bernie supporters" lack the courtesy to do the same. I left this forum for a while after 2016 because I felt like I was being blamed for Hillary's loss because I supported Bernie in the primaries, even though I voted and campaigned for Hillary in the general.

[LakeArenal]

57. I supported Sanders, too.

Then time passed and I realized his message is okay, he, though, is very tyrannical and quite narrow minded.
Supporters call it consistent.
I disagree.

[democrattotheend]

63. That's part of why I'm not so enthused about him anymore

I also didn't like how long he took to endorse Hillary in 2016. I felt that she deserved better after she was such a class act after conceding in 2008.

I'm glad he ran in 2016 and I am proud to have been a part of it. I think he changed the party for the better by showing that a candidate who relied entirely on small donations and was unabashedly progressive could mount a serious challenge, and not just a fringe annoyance a la Kucinich or Ralph Nader. He also pushed for reforms to the nominating process that I agree with, like no superdelegates on the first ballot. But I wish he had passed the torch to Warren this time instead of running again and dividing the progressive vote. That's what he wanted initially in 2016 - he wanted her to run instead of running himself. But sadly, I think the crowds and the attention and the power he gained went to his head, which is understandable after being on the sidelines for so long but also selfish.

But my post wasn't even about Bernie himself. It was about the way all Bernie supporters are lumped together by his critics, and were all collectively blamed for Hillary's loss in 2016. It makes people like me feel alienated from the party even though I don't even support him this year (although I may end up voting for him now that we are down to 2 choices and he's unlikely to win).

[LakeArenal]

66. But in the end it's Sanders not his supporters.

If the supporters steal the narrative that’s on Sanders.
When he doesn’t separate himself from the crud, it covers all the supporters.

[beachbumbob]

18. personally I hate being told what to do and that is what irrates more than anything else, when

sanders can get all his supporters under control, then I may become "nicer", until then, its gloves off, game on

[cannabis_flower]

47. No one..

Not Bernie Sanders, Donald Trump, Elizabeth Warren and yes, even Joe Biden has "control" over all their supporters. So basically what you are saying is you will never be "nicer" to Sanders supporters.

[beachbumbob]

49. why should I? I saw what they did to the democratic FEMALE candidate for office her in Illinois

bernie has yet to apologize.

[cannabis_flower]

50. Please enlighten me

I don't know what you are talking about

[beachbumbob]

51. why would you, bernie does no wrong

google Betsy Londrigan, sander supporters encounter

[cannabis_flower]

56. Surrounded her car and stopping her from leaving..

Was out of line.

But I think the post you just made about me is out of line also.

I believe there is a rule against personal attacks and flaming.

[beachbumbob]

58. what was out of line? did I surround your car, screaming and yelling where it terrified you?

thats out line

[cannabis_flower]

59. You characterized me

As someone who thinks Bernie and his supporters can do no wrong when I hadn't even heard about the incident you were talking about. You don't know me and you don't know what I think.

[ehrnst]

53. [phone].

[dawg day]

19. Sorry, but that wasn't all that nice...

With the crack about wine cellars.

[LexVegas]

21. ...

[wyldwolf]

22. It's an odd proposition.

It's hard to be nice to bullies. And it's difficult to sympathize with someone who tells people "try to get along" instead of addressing the actual issue.

Sorry, I refuse to coddle petulant people.

[TwilightZone]

26. Here's the problem...

One side of the equation has no interest in doing so, and it's by design.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287637715

[Peacetrain]

30. Well you are a day late and a dollar short as my old Da used to say...

When the Bros were attacking the union reps in Nevada (an example).. people are mad now.. and telling them to calm down is only going to make it worse... Bernie has not lead on this.. a what aboutism does not cure an anger that feeds on itself..

[ehrnst]

33. You could start by editing your own OP...PERIOD.

Much of your post is telling supporters of other candidates to be nice, while passively insulting any candidate who isn't Bernie.

It is tough watching the people who are not willing to stand up to the power of MONEY getting in our way as we try to create a more fair, and just country.

Anyone who is not Bernie is not standing up for the people.

Money / Establishment is complicated.

You've made it clear you equate "Establishment" democrats with "Wealthy in wine caves."

I count Bernie as a real Democrat. A different kind of Democrat. A Roosevelt Democrat. Remember him? Social Security. Unemployment. New Deal. You get it right.

So if one isn't supporting Sanders, then one isn't supporting any of action on Social Security, Unemployment.

Message received, loud and clear - you get in your digs, then you demand that everyone else "be nice" or you'll "consider them a Russian agent."




Crickets.

[ehrnst]

34. You might want to talk to this DU'er in particular...

They keep passively insulting those who don't support Bernie, and any candidate who isn't Bernie...


https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=638840

DanieRains (813 posts)

62. He Doesn't Provide All Americans With Healthcare

So thousands keep dying because they weren't born on the right side of the tracks.

Incremental death.

Not good enough.

"But we can save some" isn't good enough.

Yes It Is Sad So Many Angry Supporters Of Bernie Know The Pillaging Of Their Families Will Continue

As the oligarchs WHO RUN THE PLANET will be practically unopposed.

Very few people have the gumption to stand up against their wealth and their power.

Few non Sanders Supporters understand why anyone would be angry about seeing the fruits of their labor being eaten by stockholders, and not their families.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=638711

DanieRains (808 posts)

31. When Has Joe Mentioned The 50 Trillion In Wealth

The untaxed 1% has now?

Crickets.

We are being scammed and robbed.

Some of us get it my friend.

Your taxes go straight into their bank accounts.

Google KBR.

Crickets.

[Sunlei]

36. I'll post the "quote" and say it in Bernies voice...you bet we're angry and you should be too!

I'm angry because multi-millionaires like you and Trump have rigged our economy at the middle class' expense.

I'm angry because millions are living paycheck to paycheck.

I'm angry because 34 million Americans are uninsured.

Why doesn't that anger you?

Bernie Sanders July 2019@Mittens Romney

[Happy Hoosier]

37. It does anger me. I just don't think you're the guy to lead that fight, Bernie. NT

[Sunlei]

39. We will be 'ok' if Biden leads because Joe Bidens a great listener!

We're all on the good guy team

[Happy Hoosier]

40. Well said.

If Bernie gets the nom, he has my vote, for sure.

[Gothmog]

38. Warren is not endorsing sanders due to the conduct of sanders supporters

sanders has refused to deal with the bad conduct of his supporters and this refusal has consequences

Link to tweet

[Sunlei]

42. The same twitter account that has Hillary with a noose on his main page.

I love Senator Warren and Senator Sanders and I wish you would too. They're on our team and both have thick skin & will remain on our team.

[Squinch]

54. .

[Mister Ed]

60. K & R. Thank you. n/t

[elleng]

61. 'I count Bernie as a real Democrat. A different kind of Democrat. A Roosevelt Democrat.

Remember him? Social Security. Unemployment. New Deal.'

[kcr]

64. Not helpful

[Gothmog]

67. MSNBC Says Chris Jansing 'Felt Threatened' By Bernie Supporter

Link to tweet