Morning Joe Trashing Bernie Getting Old

[DanieRains]

How come America can't afford what everyone else has?

30 or 40 trillion dollar pricetag!

Ok Joe let's just let the sick die like now. We can save all that money.

Red Scare. Red Scare. Red Scare.

Absolutism.

How come it costs us 40 trillion and no one else?

Bashing Bernie with lies. Again.

Hey Joe who is gonna pay for the carbon melting the ice?

Crickets.

[LexVegas]

1. ...

[wyldwolf]

2. you can always listen to the Young Turks.

[DanieRains]

4. Billiomaire Owned Media

Should do right?

Taxes are for the little people.

[wyldwolf]

7. What does that even mean?

[NurseJackie]

6. Ha!

[DanieRains]

3. Tax Wealth Not Workers

And stop the pillaging by pharma.

Paid for.

It's not that hard.

[LaurenOlimina]

5. MSNBC was downright gleeful on Saturday. Their bias is pretty obvious.

[wyldwolf]

8. they were downright gleeful at having something newsworthy to report.

[DanieRains]

12. The 1% Were Freaking Out About Possibly

Having to pay taxes for once.

THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN!!!!!

[TwilightZone]

20. Biden's tax plan raises taxes on the wealthy and corporations, to the tune of $4 trillion.

Your assertion is false.

"Tax proposals by Democratic presidential contender Joe Biden would raise about $4 trillion over a decade, largely due to increased rates on high-income households and businesses, according to a new Tax Policy Center analysis."

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/05/joe-biden-tax-increases-122199

[DanieRains]

35. The Don't Make Income They Grow Their Wealth

4 trillion doesn't cover the 10 trillion dollar deficit.

Joe's math is worse than Bernie's.

Sorry.

[William769]

42. Add Sanders 20 trillion folly to the 10 trillion deficiet

Say Goodbye to America.

[TwilightZone]

51. No, it's not.

Biden's math doesn't have a $20 trillion shortfall.

[DanieRains]

62. He Doesn't Provide All Americans With Healthcare

So thousands keep dying because they weren't born on the right side of the tracks.

Incremental death.

Not good enough.

"But we can save some" isn't good enough.

[ehrnst]

64. So anyone who isn't supporting Sanders' MFA proposal is promoting "incremental death?"

That's insulting, especially to those who finally got care due to the ACA.

You need to start following your own advice about "being nice, PERIOD"

[ehrnst]

63. Um... no, Bernie isn't the only candidate who is proposing Taxes on the wealthy...

[LaurenOlimina]

18. You are right of course.

Biden's campaign hadn't been very newsworthy up until that point. It remains to be seen if these victories translate into some vigor on the part of his campaign or amounts to no more than Pete and Klobuchar playing "weekend at Bernies" with him. On Tuesday night they were even commenting on how dejected and listless the Bidenevents had been but now they saw the happy warrior again. So you are correct, I don't doubt they were pleased to have anything newsworthy to say about Biden.

[TexasTowelie]

9. Gee, it feels like autumn. nt

[grantcart]

40. It's beginning too look a lot like Christmas 🎅

[William769]

45. ROFLMGAO!

[greatauntoftriplets]

66. ...

[helpisontheway]

11. That is not true. They were absolutely stunned. nt

[Skya Rhen]

13. MSNBC wasn't gleeful - they just accepted reality and chose not to be accused of being delusional.

[NurseJackie]

14. Being neutral when reporting good news isn't bias. Not openly grieving at Bernie's losses isn't bias

FFS!

I get that you're upset and disappointed... but these ridiculous pity-parties are just over the top. The only person who's to blame for Bernie's losses is Bernie himself. It's not the fault of MSNBC or CNN or the debate moderators, it's Bernie. He's being rejected by Democrats for a reason. I'd venture to guess that a large part of the reason that Democrats are rejecting Bernie is because Bernie rejects Democrats. Just think about that for a minute.




Joe/Kamala or Biden/Harris 2020!!
Jump on the Biden Bandwagon & abandon the revolution!!

[LaurenOlimina]

24. Gleeful - Huge smiles - visible relief - not neutral - very obvious

...and I was still behind Warren at that point.

I don't expect Bernie to win the nomination. He is too much of an outsider. He does not play well with insiders.

[redstateblues]

79. MSNBC is back to bashing Biden. They are giving Bernie

All the air time he wants

[LaurenOlimina]

80. Its a two man race now.

Who else would they interview?

[oasis]

16. MSNBC's goal is to smash Trump. nt

[DanieRains]

26. And Keep The Gravy Train Rolling

Down the tracks!

Lobbying jobs for sale!

[NurseJackie]

28. What does that even man?

Ridiculous.

[oasis]

39. Defending Bernie is not an easy task for his supporters, so "offense is

the best defense".

[DanieRains]

54. Some Of Us Know When We Are Being Robbed

Blind.

[ehrnst]

60. So those who don't support Sanders don't "know when we are being robbed blind?"

[oasis]

65. BLIND DEVOTION is the remedy. DO NOT RESIST.

[ehrnst]

68. I guess that whole "Biden/Sanders supporters need to be NICE STARTING NOW"

demand doesn't apply to everyone...

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=638150

[greatauntoftriplets]

78. I dunno either, but I like gravy!

It enhances the flavor of turkey stuffing so well.

[oasis]

32. Not one MSNBC anchor is equipped to defend Bernie should he

become the Democratic nominee.

Not one.

[DanieRains]

37. Because They Work For The 1%

You are correct.

[ehrnst]

61. Bernie is the 1% now, remember that.

He earned that money selling books on Amazon and at WalMart, so you may want to be careful demonizing all those who make millions.

Everyone who works for him is, by definition, working for someone in the 1%.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

83. WOOOOOOHOOOOOOOO!!!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[njhoneybadger]

57. Why shouldn't they be, 85% of Americans think tRump will beat Bernie.

[LaurenOlimina]

58. Polling doesn't reflect that.

Then again, polling said Bernie was going to win big on Tuesday.

[democrattotheend]

91. CNN was more fair, IMO

They had a Bernie supporter on their Super Tuesday panel and their other panelists were pretty fair to him too.

[The Wizard]

10. Can someone tell me why

we give foreign aid to countries with universal healthcare and say we can't afford to have it here?

[TwilightZone]

15. This is probably what they're referring to.

"his plans would still result in a $20 trillion budget shortfall over 10 years"

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287638623

[DanieRains]

19. Only If We Pay The Ransom To The 1%

Other countries don't pay.

[TwilightZone]

21. That doesn't make any sense.

Sanders' plan raises taxes on the 1%. That's already factored in.

[DanieRains]

23. Barely Scratches Them

Taxing avoided income. Not actual wealth.

Bezos can pay for millions all by himself.

Won't happen.

[TwilightZone]

55. All of that is already included.

You're intentionally evading the issue here. Everything you're talking about is already included in Bernie's plan, and he's still $20 trillion short.

If Bernie's plan does nothing to address your issues, why are you plugging it?

[grantcart]

43. Numbers those damn numbers, lol

[DanieRains]

22. How Does A $100 Asprin Taste?

With a $1,000 water IV bag?

It's called someone is getting paidcare not healthcare.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

17. Chirp! Chirp!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[Atticus]

25. Not really a Morning Joe fan, but what exactly did he "lie" about? Realism does

not equal mendacity.

[DanieRains]

29. 40 Trillion Dollar Pricetag

Ransom other countries don't pay.

Billionaires don't run their healthcare systems.

At $100 per asprin it adds up to 40 Trillion.

Without insanity it costs half as much.

1/3 of healthcare is now overhead.

Today it is 40 trillion without Bernie / Liz.

[Atticus]

34. You cannot disprove the 40 trillion dollar figure and the current system does not

provide $100 aspirins beyond some anecdotal anomaly. Does that make you a liar? It does not.

You have opinions; others are entitled to theirs. Some seem reasonable. Some do not.

[DanieRains]

38. I'm Just Saying It Doesn't Cost 40 Trillion

Without 30 trillion in profit to our owners.

Other advanced nations don't pay the ransom.

[Atticus]

52. "Pay the ransom" is a cute phrase, but how accurate is it? Do your "cost savings" take the

tax increases into account?

Most all of us want the things Bernie wants. But most of us do not see how, in the real world, he can deliver them.

Trite but true: "Half a loaf is better than none". We can discuss which half of the loaf we prioritize, but insisting that we can have it all NOW will give us four more years of Trump and whoever he chooses beyond that.

[DanieRains]

67. Other Countries Have Them

Why are we screwed?

Please someone answer.

[ehrnst]

70. This has been answered many times on DU.

They started a lifetime ago, from scratch, and upending not a baked in system like we have now.

They took decades to develop, control costs, and expand with technology, and didn't do it in two years, like a politician is promising to get elected...

They do it in different ways - the vast majority of them use hybrid systems that contract out services and administration to private entities, and are not single payer.

If someone in Boston said, "Look, Chicago has this nice flat grid street layout. It's way easier to plow, easier for first responders to get where they need to be... They did it, why can't we??? Traffic is HORRIFIC.. Why the hell are we waiting for the Big Dig to finish, it's expensive and incremental - we need this NOW!! There's a politician who says we could have the grid system Chicago has in two years and not spend nearly as much as the Big Dig! Why are we screwed???" you'd understand that they didn't know what it involved in upending an entire street system in two years, wouldn't you?

Here's some reading on this, if you're more interested in understanding the answer to your questions than accusing anyone who doesn't show Bernie at the bottom of their signature line of being against health care for everyone....

https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2017/9/8/16271888/health-care-single-payer-aca-democratic-agenda

There is an saying that applies to any project - Price, Speed, Quality - pick two. There is no way to accomplish one's wishes in all three.

Health care reform has many moving parts, and there is no way that changing one part of it - especially very quickly - won't have a negative impact on some part of health care delivery. Like when ranchers wiped out wolves in areas of the Northwest. They thought that they were simply getting rid of a predator, but failed to understand that there is an ecosystem of which wolves were a part.

The healthcare system is not a hierarchy with the bad guys at that top, any more than our economy is a hierarchy with "job creators" at the top. Both are ecosystems. There are many other parts of our economy baked into the health care system, not just evil CEO bonuses.

Anyone promising a cheap, fast solution that doesn't disrupt health care delivery is making a hollow promise.

LBJ had to lie about what Medicare and Medicaid would cost to get it to pass - you can't do that now with the CBO.

Hillary, Ted Kennedy and Nancy Pelosi actually got free and low cost health care to millions more people, via CHIP and the ACA.

What has Bernie accomplished in all his decades on the Hill to get anyone but his family and staffers health care?

[ehrnst]

69. Well, if we had a time machine, we could start 70 years ago,from scratch, like they did...

[ehrnst]

71. What is your source on these numbers? (nt)

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

84. There are more billionaires per capita in Sweden and Norway

than there are in the United States. Those countries have universal health care - and very high taxes (on the middle class, not just the wealthy), plus a VAT, at rates that Americans would not tolerate. So what's the correlation between billionaires and health care?

[beachbumbob]

27. facts matter. What country of 300 million+ have it so great???

we have MAJOR tax code ISSUES and that should be the discussions instead of all the free nonsense

sanders has no traction because of this nonsense and Morning Joe is perfectly correct to point it out

[DanieRains]

31. When Has Joe Mentioned The 50 Trillion In Wealth

The untaxed 1% has now?

Crickets.

We are being scammed and robbed.

Some of us get it my friend.

Your taxes go straight into their bank accounts.

Google KBR.

[beachbumbob]

36. what bernie should have campaigned on is taxcode fixes and I hear crickets outside of rasing

taxes on the rich. That doesn't address the much need taxcode OVERHAUL.

How about the first thing he would do is set up a blueribbon committee who would have 90days to review and come up with a new taxcode, free of all special interest influence?? Why not start there? I will tell you why, its process and takes more than a sound bite of "free________"

How about 2nd thing to do is set up a panel to review what can be done to IMPROVE the ACA? We know a lot what can be done, have a panel come up it. Why not start there? I will tell you why, its process and takes more than a sound bite of "free________"

How about the 3rd thing to do is to set up a panel to review US energy policies and come up with a plan of transitions and investments? Why not start there? I will tell you why, its process and takes more than a sound bite of "oil is bad, coal is bad"

Morning Joe is doing this country a great service to focus on BS bullshit

[DanieRains]

41. Distracting Us With Strawmen While We Are Robbed Blind

By oligarchs and monopolies.

Distraction is the name of the game.

When has Joe mentioned the 50,000 deaths from no healthcare each year?

Joe is steering not doing news.

[beachbumbob]

47. what about the 50,000 deaths a year from car accidents? what bernie's solution to that

or the deaths by suicide? Or whatever. No one is advocating ignoring the situation but the path is under debate. sander's solution is just make it free to all. Why? Why should we subsidize healhcare for those who can afford it? This is what irks most people. Direct the help to those in need. Sanders sounds like an idiot with his proposals. Ameircan people will NEVER go along with it as we have seen.

The answer is not a dismantling of our systems.

[Sloumeau]

30. Joe Scarborough was a Republican.

Republicans usually hate government spending. Of course, Joe is going to complain about the Medicare4All price tag. That's what people who think as he does do.

Does anyone remember how people freaked out about the ACA's individual mandate? Does anyone remember all of those House seats the Democrats lost in 2010 because people hated paying for the individual mandate that was part of Obamacare? What do Sanders' supporters think would happen if Sanders got M4All passed and people had to start paying those taxes? Do they think that we could hold the House then?

Bernie Sanders would never win a General Election against Donald Trump. He would lose on Medicare4All alone. He also would lose just because he is a self-declared Socialist. Even if he miraculously managed to win, Medicare4All would never get passed because Republicans would not vote for it, and neither would enough Moderate Democrats. Finally, even if it got passed, people would hate the taxes so much that there would be a massive backlash--even bigger than in 2010.

Voting for Bernie Sanders would be a lose, lose, lose proposition. That is why Joe Scarborough is "trashing" Bernie Sanders.

[DanieRains]

33. Self Fulfilling Prophesy

Bernie would have to run against the billionaires who own the media and our government.

Yer probably right.

Let's just keep on getting robbed blind!

We don't need no future.

[Sloumeau]

44. Bernie has been running against the billionaires.

He is not getting anywhere, and he won't get anywhere. He wins elections in blue Vermont with this stuff, so apparently, he thinks it works on a national level. It does not.

Let's look at just one thing, the fact that Bernie runs as a Socialist. Many Bernie supporters like to talk about how Bernie is running on the same ideas as FDR. However, FDR was smart enough not to run as a Socialist.

FDR never called himself a Socialist, and he never wanted to be called a Socialist. He also never referred to his programs as Socialistic programs. He referred to his programs as government programs that help people. This is because by the time he became President in 1932, the word "Socialist" had been so smeared that it scared people. So, he got all of these things done without ever using the word "Socialist". FDR was just being practical.

Since then, not that much has changed. We only have 1 out of 100 Socialist Senators, and 3 out of 345 Socialist members of the House of Representatives. All 4 of these politicians are in very blue areas of the country. This is the only way that Socialists get elected in this country. If Bernie really wanted to change things on a national level, he would realize what FDR realized, that the word "Socialist" is the kiss of death in the United States. FDR wanted to make lives better for Americans. He was more than willing to avoid using the words "Socialist" and "Socialism" in order to make the changes needed.

People praise Bernie Sanders for never changing. However, if one is unwilling to make the changes needed in order to get the job done, is one's unwillingness to change a good thing or a bad thing? This is the difference between FDR and Bernie Sanders. One was willing to do what was necessary to get the job done, and the other is not.

[DanieRains]

49. With 29% Unemployment

Things happen.

It's coming.

Ask anyone who understands unsustainable deficits.

Then there is the IT WILL BE 10 DEGREES HOTTER WORLDWIDE SOON.

We nead real change not changing deck chairs on our planetary Titanic.

[ehrnst]

59. So if one doesn't support Sanders for the nominee, one doesn't understand "unsustainable deficits?"

And doesn't want real change?

That's a passive insult, and doesn't quite mesh with your "demand that Biden/Sanders supporters be nice to each other."

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

81. Never forget that...& that the corporate establishment contributes to candidates on BOTH sides...

There's a reason, however, that Bernie gets left out... and PRECISELY why I'm voting for him!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[DanieRains]

46. The 1% Could Pay Off Our Entire National Debt

And not even miss the money.

According to Credit Suisse.

We are being scammed.

Some of us can count.

It's not really that hard.

When you point out this fact they release the hounds.

No one fighting for true economic fairness has a chance against 50 trillion and billionaire owned media.

Get used to paying the 1% half your paycheck. As always.

[Hav]

72. Jeez, you need to relax

You are making the same mistakes that BS does and that are some of the reasons why he always fails:
- Only following a narrow path while either not seeing or dismissing other options to solve a problem
- Seeing enemies and conspiracies everywhere

Bitching and moaning about the 1% doesn't help when one only sees extreme options. You compared their wealth to the cost for BS' healthcare plan. Great, take away all their assets, liquidate it with a loss but after 10 years that's gone. Same with his promise of cancelling debts to get voters. Just take the money from the same source.
It's the tax code that needs to change as a major first step. Another poster suggested that and you just dismissed it as not far enough because you only concentrate on the abstract "wealth". You argue against steps in the right direction because it doesn't "punish" the 1% enough.

Healthcare for all is an absolutely worthwhile goal. All those plans need to have a sound financial foundation and you seem to be a bit unwilling to contribute to that yourself. Just pointing at the 1% is simply not enough. If you want to make comparisons how other countries can afford it, then also look at how they pay for it and their tax code. I'm pretty sure that you will often see that these programs are paid by all the people, not just one tiny group. Because that is the responsible thing to do to keep these programs alive.

[DanieRains]

96. I Am The 1%

Sorry.

It's not what I pay in taxes, it's what I get for my money.


Now what I get is the wealthy wealthier while I pay more for less.

[Gothmog]

75. LOL-you do know that the national debt is $22 trillion

There are not enough billionaires out there to pay off the National Debt in the real world

[DanieRains]

86. Yes There Are

CNBC

[AncientGeezer]

93. How...the ND is over $22 t....the top 1% total worth is $10ish t

[ehrnst]

77. So you think anyone who doesn't back Bernie "doesn't support fighting for true economic fairness"

That implication is insulting, and certainly not " being nice."

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=638150

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

82. This really is our one & only chance. I still believe Bernie, the PEOPLE'S champion, comes thru

the alternative is just too hard to contemplate.


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[AncientGeezer]

89. "The 1% Could Pay Off Our Entire National Debt"

How...the ND is over $22 t....the top 1% total worth is $10ish t

[samnsara]

48. which joe?

[DanieRains]

50. Morning

[William769]

53. Note to self

Need to start watching Morning Joe.

[Happy Hoosier]

56. Bernie managed to piss off his natural ally.

Bernie should have had a natural ally in Liz Warren.

So what did he do? What Bernie ALWAYS does: Refuse to admit any fault.

He refuses to take responsibility for his abusive cultists.


And So Liz Warren won't endorse him.

Wanna know why so many people trash Bernie? It's because he's kind of a jerk.

[Hoyt]

73. Warren says it will cost $52 T. And, we'll get there faster going Public Option with Dem Prez.

[Gothmog]

74. Sanders has yet to explain how he'll pay for half of his agenda

Link to tweet

[Happy Hoosier]

76. Imagine how old it's getting....

for everyone else getting trashed by Bernie and his Bros.

Karma.

[stopbush]

85. All it takes to raise the average income of a room full of Americans

is for Bill Gates to walk in.

Republican logic.

[LongtimeAZDem]

87. Not as old as Bernie's trashing of the Democratic pary

[Demsrule86]

88. What I heard when I watched it was...you can't be the Democratic nominee without winning the AA

vote. And it is true.

[brooklynite]

90. Your continued viewership is appreciated.

[NCProgressive]

92. I feel your pain

[Luciferous]

94. I quit listening to them because it's the same crap every morning.

[LongtimeAZDem]

95. Biden introduced the Global Climate Protection Act in 1987, when Bernie was making a folk album