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kentuck

(111,563 posts)
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 10:30 AM Mar 2020

Was Bernie always more of a "caucus" candidate?

He never did that well in the primaries.

He gained traction by organizing his base for caucus turnouts. He was able to win several caucuses and it gave a false reading of his overall popularity? Maybe so?

Several states where Bernie won big changed to a primary system and Bernie does not do as well in a primary.

I think that is a reality that Bernie supporters should accept as a possibility.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Was Bernie always more of a "caucus" candidate? (Original Post) kentuck Mar 2020 OP
He only won two states with closed primaries. All others were caucuses or open primaries. George II Mar 2020 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author democratisphere Mar 2020 #2
He'll never do it. LaurenOlimina Mar 2020 #6
I understand why he won't just fine. ehrnst Mar 2020 #8
Or had a heart attack... LaurenOlimina Mar 2020 #11
Or a fall. TexasTowelie Mar 2020 #12
Ouch! NurseJackie Mar 2020 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author democratisphere Mar 2020 #13
Ideologues can take over caucuses and small state primaries beachbumbob Mar 2020 #3
The decline in sanders turnout numbers amuses me Gothmog Mar 2020 #4
Sanders knows this and knows he won't win... yet he continues. Why? Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #9
If it was about us, not him, he would. ehrnst Mar 2020 #10
Hey New York Time has an interesting story this week el_bryanto Mar 2020 #18
I think that if was about "Us not Him" he would have quit after his heart attack ehrnst Mar 2020 #22
Post removed Post removed Mar 2020 #23
The ACA was a serious and successful push for health care reform. Look it up.... ehrnst Mar 2020 #24
You forgot VT dansolo Mar 2020 #16
You are correct. LaurenOlimina Mar 2020 #5
His ceiling DownriverDem Mar 2020 #7
Yes. Almost certainly. MineralMan Mar 2020 #15
Similar in some ways to how Jeremy Corbyn got elected Labour Party leader .... sudden influx of OnDoutside Mar 2020 #28
Intensity of supporters does not equal depth of support Amishman Mar 2020 #17
I thought that was always obvious. highplainsdem Mar 2020 #19
I think Bernie's messaging... LanternWaste Mar 2020 #20
In 2016 LiberalFighter Mar 2020 #21
Yes.... Happy Hoosier Mar 2020 #25
Yes. He always attracted activists and enthusiasts, the people who The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2020 #26
Washington state has always been caucus and BS won here last time....this year we have a primary.. samnsara Mar 2020 #27
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
1. He only won two states with closed primaries. All others were caucuses or open primaries.
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 10:33 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to kentuck (Original post)

 

LaurenOlimina

(1,165 posts)
6. He'll never do it.
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 10:48 AM
Mar 2020

...and you will never understand why.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
8. I understand why he won't just fine.
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 10:54 AM
Mar 2020

He wouldn't suspend his campaign even if he was in ICU.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LaurenOlimina

(1,165 posts)
11. Or had a heart attack...
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 10:56 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

Response to LaurenOlimina (Reply #6)

 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
3. Ideologues can take over caucuses and small state primaries
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 10:37 AM
Mar 2020

and larger state if there is an apathetic democratic voter base

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Gothmog

(149,151 posts)
4. The decline in sanders turnout numbers amuses me
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 10:44 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Thekaspervote

(33,448 posts)
9. Sanders knows this and knows he won't win... yet he continues. Why?
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 10:55 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
10. If it was about us, not him, he would.
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 10:56 AM
Mar 2020

But he won't.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
18. Hey New York Time has an interesting story this week
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 11:11 AM
Mar 2020

About how working class Americans's lives have gotten more and more tough under both Trump (who I will definitely vote against) and previous neo-liberal policies. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/06/opinion/working-class-death-rate.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

Worth looking at for why Sanders might want to continue his challenge.

Bryant

If I were to vote in a presidential
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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
22. I think that if was about "Us not Him" he would have quit after his heart attack
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 11:59 AM
Mar 2020

and put his full support behind Warren.

Sanders is challenging Biden. Both are working to overturn the damage Trump is doing.

How does that article promote Bernie over Biden on anything?

What "neoliberal policies" are you referring to?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to ehrnst (Reply #22)

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
24. The ACA was a serious and successful push for health care reform. Look it up....
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 12:24 PM
Mar 2020

When a building is on fire you don't throw a few cups and call it a day - you use a firehose - while yes, Obama and Clinton were better than the people they ran against, they made few improvements - making life harder and harder for the working class.


How did Clinton and Obama "make life harder and harder for the working class?" Obama (with Pelosi) got millions covered by health care that were not previously covered or coverable. Perhaps one who is privileged enough not to have been one of those people, one might dismiss the ACA as a "Few cups of water.."

Perhaps if one is a straight white male, one has the privilege necessary that many improvements in the Obama era didn't affect you directly, but that doesn't mean they didn't exist.

Hillary (with Ted Kennedy) actually got free health care into existence for working class and low income kids with CHIP. What has Bernie done to equal that? Perhaps if one has the privilege to not have been one of those kids, one didn't see that health care reform, but that didn't mean it doesn't exist.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

dansolo

(5,378 posts)
16. You forgot VT
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 11:09 AM
Mar 2020

He got barely over 50% in his own state

If I were to vote in a presidential
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DownriverDem

(6,354 posts)
7. His ceiling
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 10:53 AM
Mar 2020

is in the 30s. He's not a true Dem. His supporters prove they aren't either.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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MineralMan

(146,575 posts)
15. Yes. Almost certainly.
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 11:07 AM
Mar 2020

Since most caucuses actually have statistically small turnouts, it's much easier to flood a caucus with supporters than it is to flood a primary election. That happened here in Minnesota in 2016, when we still used caucuses to determine delegates to the Democratic convention. Sanders supporters turned out in large numbers at the caucus meetings, including the one in my precinct. I was the caucus convener and chair. The result was clear even before the vote. Many of the Sanders supporters wore Sanders campaign gear. There's no rule against electioneering in caucuses. Sanders won 60/40.

Later, at our state's primary election, presidential candidates were on the ballot, too, although it didn't count. Hillary won in that useless primary, 60/40.

Flooding of caucuses with a candidate's supporters is one of the reasons that caucuses should be eliminated for delegate selection in presidential primary races. They are unfair and inaccurate.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

OnDoutside

(20,108 posts)
28. Similar in some ways to how Jeremy Corbyn got elected Labour Party leader .... sudden influx of
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 12:32 PM
Mar 2020

members when they reduced the membership fee to about $15. The Corbynistas took advantage of the stupidity.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Amishman

(5,640 posts)
17. Intensity of supporters does not equal depth of support
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 11:11 AM
Mar 2020

Over time that intensity can become a negative.

My choice in 2016 was Bernie. I berned out and want stability and incremental progress now.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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highplainsdem

(50,078 posts)
19. I thought that was always obvious.
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 11:14 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
20. I think Bernie's messaging...
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 11:15 AM
Mar 2020

" fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth"

If I were to vote in a presidential
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LiberalFighter

(52,623 posts)
21. In 2016
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 11:30 AM
Mar 2020

Caucuses or Primaries won (Clinton - Sanders)

Closed Primaries (12-1)
Open Primaries (9-5)
Modified Primaries (5-4)
Closed Caucuses (4-5)
Open Caucuses (2-5)
Modified Caucuses (0-2)



If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Happy Hoosier

(7,664 posts)
25. Yes....
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 12:26 PM
Mar 2020

he has a passionate, but narrow base. He was never in a position to get majority support of the party, and never will be. The Progressives had a much better standard bearer in Liz Warren, but the cult of personality around Sanders killed her run.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

The Velveteen Ocelot

(117,534 posts)
26. Yes. He always attracted activists and enthusiasts, the people who
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 12:30 PM
Mar 2020

not only attended caucuses but dominated them. Fortunately, caucuses are going the way of the button hook.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

samnsara

(17,865 posts)
27. Washington state has always been caucus and BS won here last time....this year we have a primary..
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 12:32 PM
Mar 2020

...for the first time. It will be interesting to watch the results. Last time I couldnt go to the caucus cuz my fathers 90th bday party was the same day. Now we are ALL mail in..pre stamped even.. so will be interesting results.


Probably with that virus going around best not go to polling places anyway....even if we had any!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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