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Laelth

(32,017 posts)
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 12:09 PM Mar 2020

THE WHOLE CHICKEN

THE WHOLE CHICKEN (Part 1)

Way back in 1928, Herbert Hoover's surrogates bragged that Republican policy had delivered to America the greatest prosperity the nation had ever seen--a chicken for every pot and a car in every garage. Democrats, led by Al Smith, responded by noting that Hoover's wealthy friends all had chickens in their pots and cars in their garages, but that America's newfound wealth was not being equally distributed. The working class was not getting a fair share of the national wealth, these Democrats argued.

Welcome to modern, American politics. This debate from 1928 remains at the heart of our political discourse.

The "original recipe" chicken story is older. King Henry IV of France wanted to insure that every peasant in his realm would have a chicken in their pots (on Sundays, at the very least). He didn't want his people to be any poorer than that. Suffice it to say that the working people of the Western world have been looking for that chicken ever since. We were promised it. We haven't gotten it yet--not by a long stretch, especially not in the United States.

Those of us who voted for Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders in the 2020 Democratic primaries voted for these politicians because they insisted that the working people deserve THE WHOLE CHICKEN. It didn't matter to us whether or not these politicians could actually deliver THE WHOLE CHICKEN. We were simply pleased to know that they agreed that the American people deserve THE WHOLE CHICKEN. We voted for Bernie and for Elizabeth because they were willing to fight for THE WHOLE CHICKEN ... for the American people.

Here's THE WHOLE CHICKEN:



That, my friends, is THE WHOLE CHICKEN that most Americans want in their pots! It's what the American people need, and it's what they deserve. We know that we're the wealthiest nation on Earth. We also know that we're the hardest-working people on Earth. The primary purpose of the Democratic Party is to give the people some economic justice--to spread the wealth and to make capitalism work for all of us and not just the rich folks.

If the Democratic Party can just give us the neck (Eliminate the Filibuster), I have every reason to believe that Joe Biden can and will be a transformative, liberal President. So I hope. Give us the neck, and we can make some Real Democratic Soup that will lead us to THE WHOLE CHICKEN. Go JOE!

If you're with me, simply respond (here and elsewhere) by saying:

I WANT THE WHOLE CHICKEN.

The American people deserve it.



-Laelth

Part 2 will follow with a careful examination of each part of the chicken and why the American people deserve THE WHOLE CHICKEN and not just the bits of chicken that the Democratic Party has served up since the Age of Reagan.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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THE WHOLE CHICKEN (Original Post) Laelth Mar 2020 OP
I'd like the whole chicken too. Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #1
The whole chicken will take 8 years of Dem rule onetexan Mar 2020 #3
8 years of Dem rule wouldn't bother me. Laelth Mar 2020 #6
long as Dem party doesn't morph into something as ghastly as the GOP i'm good for perpetual Dem rule onetexan Mar 2020 #9
Us? Morph into some kind of Nazi-tyranny party? Laelth Mar 2020 #29
LOL i hope that is the case, that Dems remain true to our ideals as Dems onetexan Mar 2020 #32
I'd be more worried about COVID-19. Laelth Mar 2020 #33
You're saying, "Yes, we can." Laelth Mar 2020 #4
Well done! PatSeg Mar 2020 #2
I did. Thank you. Laelth Mar 2020 #5
That was so impressive! PatSeg Mar 2020 #7
I'll take one part at a time. Laelth Mar 2020 #13
Exactly PatSeg Mar 2020 #16
Change comes in rapid bursts ... Laelth Mar 2020 #22
I see it similarly. PETRUS Mar 2020 #23
Excellent point. Laelth Mar 2020 #28
Sure! PETRUS Mar 2020 #30
Yes PatSeg Mar 2020 #24
You're not getting any argument from me on that. n/t Laelth Mar 2020 #25
Funny you should mention it. These came with our recent purchase. LakeArenal Mar 2020 #8
You've got some GREEN NEW DEAL. Laelth Mar 2020 #11
That whole chicken born without a head? MyNameGoesHere Mar 2020 #10
Argh! Laelth Mar 2020 #12
You voted for Bernie as per your daughter, but now you're for Biden. zackymilly Mar 2020 #14
I am a team player, even if Bernie isn't. Laelth Mar 2020 #17
The whole chicken? Don't come crying when you don't get the Vegan vote! zackymilly Mar 2020 #15
LOL. You got me. Laelth Mar 2020 #18
I want the whole chicken... wyldwolf Mar 2020 #19
Right on! Laelth Mar 2020 #20
YOU RIGHT FAM!! LaelthsDaughter Mar 2020 #21
Thank you, my daughter. n/t Laelth Mar 2020 #31
I WANT THE WHOLE CHICKENCHILADA! Beartracks Mar 2020 #26
That's the spirit. n/t Laelth Mar 2020 #27
 

Turin_C3PO

(13,967 posts)
1. I'd like the whole chicken too.
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 12:12 PM
Mar 2020

But it’s going to take time and coalition-building for us to get it. We need strong majorities in the House, Senate, and, of course, we must have the presidency. I think Biden will set us on the right track for getting the whole chicken.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

onetexan

(13,037 posts)
3. The whole chicken will take 8 years of Dem rule
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 12:28 PM
Mar 2020

We need another 4 years after this one to accomplish all that + green new deal. First term focus on the chicken; 2nd term focus on Green New Deal.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
6. 8 years of Dem rule wouldn't bother me.
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 12:38 PM
Mar 2020

I'll even up the ante on you. 20 years of Dem rule would be quite nice.



I WANT THE WHOLE CHICKEN!



-Laelth

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

onetexan

(13,037 posts)
9. long as Dem party doesn't morph into something as ghastly as the GOP i'm good for perpetual Dem rule
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 01:06 PM
Mar 2020

it's very doable to achieve the whole chicken, but need to be spread over 2 terms. We need to forge on but with patience. Just reversing the damage this horrendous administration has inflicted will take much longer to get back to normal.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
29. Us? Morph into some kind of Nazi-tyranny party?
Sun Mar 8, 2020, 12:22 PM
Mar 2020

Not likely. We’re not organized enough—never have been and, one imagines, never will be. Our “big tent” is chock full of contrarians. We usually fight amongst ourselves harder than we fight against Republicans.

“I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat.” - Will Rogers



For better or for worse ...



-Laelth

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

onetexan

(13,037 posts)
32. LOL i hope that is the case, that Dems remain true to our ideals as Dems
Sun Mar 8, 2020, 03:25 PM
Mar 2020

And dont lose sight of the fact that we put country first.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
33. I'd be more worried about COVID-19.
Sun Mar 8, 2020, 05:33 PM
Mar 2020

The Democratic Party has done its job, to the best of its ability, for a long time. Nearly all of us are devoted to putting the people first. We regularly disagree, however, about the best way to do so.

Our first and foremost duty is to ensure that capitalism works for all the people and not just the rich people. If we can't do this, we're useless as a party, and there's no reason for the people to vote for us.



-Laelth

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
4. You're saying, "Yes, we can."
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 12:30 PM
Mar 2020

And I thank you for it. That's way better than saying, "No, we can't."

It may take a while, but as long as we can honestly tell the American people, "Yes, we can," we will actually have a shot at getting THE WHOLE CHICKEN. If we say, "No, we can't," there's no reason for the American people to vote for us.



-Laelth

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

PatSeg

(47,418 posts)
2. Well done!
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 12:28 PM
Mar 2020

Did you write that? Great overview. Look forward to Part 2!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
5. I did. Thank you.
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 12:31 PM
Mar 2020

Here's to THE WHOLE CHICKEN.





-Laelth

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

PatSeg

(47,418 posts)
7. That was so impressive!
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 12:40 PM
Mar 2020

Yes, to the whole chicken, even it is one or two parts at a time!!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
13. I'll take one part at a time.
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 01:26 PM
Mar 2020

So long as we are working to give the American people what they want and what they deserve, we are doing our duty. When we don’t, we’re useless, and there’s no incentive for the people to vote for us.

No?

-Laelth

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

PatSeg

(47,418 posts)
16. Exactly
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 01:39 PM
Mar 2020

Government's role is to serve the people. Those who end up just serving themselves, need to be voted out.

I know people get impatient with one or two parts at a time, but if we look back, we can see the progress of those individual steps. Progress comes with persistence and patience, and acknowledging how far we've come, while looking ahead to more progress.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
22. Change comes in rapid bursts ...
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 09:02 PM
Mar 2020

... punctuated by long periods of dormancy and regression. Our last period of rapid change occurred under LBJ in the 1960s. We have been slowly regressing (on the economic issues) since then.

We’re overdue for a liberal correction.

-Laelth

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

PETRUS

(3,678 posts)
23. I see it similarly.
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 09:36 PM
Mar 2020

Rapid change is also almost always preceded (or perhaps "precipitated" would be a better word here) by years of activism involving highly visible - and often disruptive - people's movements. There have been spikes of activism in the last decade (including more vigorous labor activity, BLM, Occupy, etc.), but I'm not sure the bottom-up pressure has built to the point it needs to. My perception (which could be wrong), is that the general response to dissent and discontent is to "manage" it, rather than grant many (if any) meaningful concessions.

Your OP is cool, btw.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
28. Excellent point.
Sun Mar 8, 2020, 11:59 AM
Mar 2020

I am not sure, either, that the bottom-up pressure you describe is at a level yet where it can be usefully harnessed, but I certainly hope it’s getting close.

Thank you for the kind words.

-Laelth

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

PETRUS

(3,678 posts)
30. Sure!
Sun Mar 8, 2020, 01:33 PM
Mar 2020

What worries me is that history isn't a linear narrative of "progress," even though it's sort of taught that way. What comes next could be a revival of New Deal-style answers (or some kind of left-leaning politics), but it could just as easily be an authoritarian nightmare or a social/political collapse. I'm cautiously optimistic about the near to medium term future, but far from certain.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

PatSeg

(47,418 posts)
24. Yes
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 09:56 PM
Mar 2020

It definitely feel like we've regressed a lot on economic issues and the income inequality just keeps getting worse. We are overdue and what we really need is Democratic control of the White House, the senate, and the house for a prolonged period of time. Democrats need to pay more attention to down ballot races and always vote in the midterms.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
25. You're not getting any argument from me on that. n/t
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 11:04 PM
Mar 2020


-Laelth
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LakeArenal

(28,817 posts)
8. Funny you should mention it. These came with our recent purchase.
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 01:02 PM
Mar 2020

Never happened before:

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
11. You've got some GREEN NEW DEAL.
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 01:21 PM
Mar 2020

Be careful with those parts of the chicken.



-Laelth

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MyNameGoesHere

(7,638 posts)
10. That whole chicken born without a head?
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 01:19 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
12. Argh!
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 01:23 PM
Mar 2020

I couldn’t find a good image with the head, but I can assure you that I want the head too.

I WANT THE WHOLE CHICKEN!





-Laelth

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

zackymilly

(2,375 posts)
14. You voted for Bernie as per your daughter, but now you're for Biden.
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 01:33 PM
Mar 2020

I told you about letting your kids run over you!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
17. I am a team player, even if Bernie isn't.
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 01:51 PM
Mar 2020

Democratic voters spoke on Super Tuesday, and they spoke loudly. I heard them, and I followed the team.

As for my daughter, she hasn’t posted for days. If you see her online, be kind, please.

She isn’t taking the party’s rejection of Bernie well.

She wants THE WHOLE CHICKEN.

-Laelth

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

zackymilly

(2,375 posts)
15. The whole chicken? Don't come crying when you don't get the Vegan vote!
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 01:34 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
18. LOL. You got me.
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 01:53 PM
Mar 2020

I am CERTAIN that I just alienated the vegan and the vegetarian vote.

Mea culpa.





-Laelth

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

wyldwolf

(43,867 posts)
19. I want the whole chicken...
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 01:58 PM
Mar 2020

... between two glazed doughnuts.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
20. Right on!
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 02:06 PM
Mar 2020

But what are the glazed doughnuts?

I probably want them too.



-Laelth

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LaelthsDaughter

(150 posts)
21. YOU RIGHT FAM!!
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 07:26 PM
Mar 2020

Agreed! I want my WHOLE chicken and I’m mad at the possibility that I will not in my life time get my chicken.

To all the scaredy cats, bok bok!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
31. Thank you, my daughter. n/t
Sun Mar 8, 2020, 01:38 PM
Mar 2020




-Laelth
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Beartracks

(12,809 posts)
26. I WANT THE WHOLE CHICKENCHILADA!
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 11:30 PM
Mar 2020


I think there's a whole chicken in there for everybody.

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If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
27. That's the spirit. n/t
Sun Mar 8, 2020, 09:09 AM
Mar 2020


-Laelth
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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