Bernie is gonna screw up this election................

[MRDAWG]

just like 4 years ago.

[rzemanfl]

1. Uh-huh agreed....

[Celerity]

19. [phone]

2002 vintage.

[Kahuna7]

49. +1 nt

[LaurenOlimina]

2. Bernie is doing great.

He has telegraphed his issues to Joe. Joe needs a good debate performance. This should be it. I can't wait.

[HarlanPepper]

5. Can't wait to move the goalposts?

What if Joe doesn’t say everything you want to hear? Are you keeping a list?

[True Blue American]

26. Bernie said he was going to force Joe

To answer his questions. Good luck with that. Joe had a very detailed list today on what needs to be done and questioned getting rid of those who should be there now.

[empedocles]

30. BS could best disappear

[karynnj]

39. The problem is the list is NOT a list of questions

It is a list of Democratic principles that BOTH believe in and have for generations. However, they are phrased just as to represent Sanders position rejecting any other plan.

Some are ridiculous - probably the worst is his point on climate change. I know that many activists reject anything but the Green New Deal, which Sanders supports. His explanation of how he would get this - and other things passed - is to refer to his revolution. That revolution was MIA last Tuesday and the Tuesday before. It also is a strawman that needs to be rejected because it attacks most of the people who have worked hard on this issue - including the Obama administration.

I would suggest that Sanders should listen to any John Kerry speech on this. He is every bit as concerned as the most concerned activist, but he is far more knowledgeable on solutions because he has worked with the scientists on this for decades. (Dr Moniz did not meet him when they were both in Obama's cabinet - he was a 2004 and before Kerry adviser.) In addition, he was an essential person in getting the Paris Accord. He admitted before it was signed that it was not enough, but the hope was it would get the entire world moving in the right direction and not stronger could be agreed to. Frankly ALL Biden would need to do to convince me on this issue is for him to list people like Kerry, Moniz, Gina McCarthy and Lisa Jackson(Obama EPA) AND Ed Markey, the Senate sponsor of the Green New Deal.

[MyNameGoesHere]

11. Joe listens to his voters

And is not swayed, or coerced by the Independent Senator from Vermont.
In fact, if history has taught us anything, depending on the followers of the Independent Senator from Vermont to cast a vote for the Democratic nomination of the loyal and true Democrat, Joseph Robinette Biden, Jr. is folly.
I personally do not count on their support.

[Codeine]

14. Why does Joe need a good debate performance?

He’s no longer running against Bernie; the primary is over and the general election has begun.

[LaurenOlimina]

20. He needs to look good vs Trump.

People need to see him as Presidential, not shouting down a mob.

[LanternWaste]

22. he looked damned presidential this afternoon.

And didn't shout at anyone... thereby denying the lowest common denominators any bait to sniff.

[LaurenOlimina]

23. looked great

[Codeine]

25. His overwhelming trouncing of Sanders

tells me his perceived Presidential stature is in fine fettle.

[True Blue American]

27. They did that today!

[emmaverybo]

34. Joe needs? Or what--Bernie will suddenly conjure up a revolution? Bernie needs a miracle and

to stop discrediting himself and supporters to be able to leave a dignified legacy.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

54. Yes he is... Bernie just needs a great debate performance, which I do expect he will have.

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[Evergreen Emerald]

57. Unfortunately that bandwagon leads directly to Trump

and a destruction of our Democracy.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

61. Yes, because letting voters vote for their preferred candidate destroys democracy...

Now I get it!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[Evergreen Emerald]

64. awww, you don't get it! Attacking the winning candidate--instead of uniting the party

destroys democracy.

[Sneederbunk]

3. Only with foreign assistance.

[madaboutharry]

4. I don't think so.

4 years ago the politics of the election were very different. Bernie got a lot of mileage because of the negative view so many (unfairly) had about Hillary Clinton. 4 years ago the country had not had a front row seat to the utter incompetence and madness of Trump. It is very different now. People are afraid of Trump now. And Bernie has worn out his welcome with voters, even with some who voted for him in 2016.

[Butterflylady]

7. This........

[Blue_true]

40. You nailed it. nt

[amuse bouche]

6. I don't see how. Tell me

[Dream Girl]

8. Does his want the destruction of democracy to be his legacy?

He really will willing to enable Trump’s re-election?

[world wide wally]

9. He's going to give it his best shot anyway

[LizBeth]

10. Ya well, I think more of us are on board to stop it in its tracks. I certainly agree that Sanders is

trying.

[ibegurpard]

12. No he won't

There was a cottage industry built up over decades based upon hating Hillary Clinton. Biden doesn't have that against him although repukes will try.
This won't be a 2016 repeat. Everyone still needs to be all hands on deck though. It's not easy ousting an incumbent.

[empedocles]

13. Wonder how many BS supporters here on DU, have a sense of the 2016

election campaigns, and the damage caused by BS?

[NJCher]

60. my guess is

they don't see it that way--i.e., that had they voted for Hillary, we wouldn't have trump.

Indeed, there are even electoral studies that show that would not have been the case, but that's irrelevant in the face of the emotional need for a scapegoat.

I think some BS supporters might see that the party failed to learn a lesson and all indications are they are going to fail a second time. There are a certain percentage of these supporters that will not do what Bernie will ask of them, which is to vote for whomever is the nominee.

Long term, this most likely is going to end with a third party being formed. That is if the two parties fail to survive past the meltdown of the corona virus, which is a distinct possibility. Even if the third party is not successful in its first efforts to elect a president or gain seats in the Senate or House, it will still have considerably more clout than operating within the Democratic party.

There's yet another possibility, and that is that the Democratic nominee will enact Bernie's programs. Whether it happens soon or down the road, it's inevitable.

[treestar]

15. We didn't expect the close swing states last time

Now we know what can go wrong, there is no excuse to not pound on those states.

[Blue_true]

41. Biden is showing me that he is up for putting in the shoe leather that we need

to have our nominee prevail. In 2016, I felt that Hillary took time off the campaign trail at critical moments, and didn't go to places that held enough democratic votes to help her prevail for the entire state.

[treestar]

42. And he is already liked in the swing states

Part of the argument for him was that he could bring in those states.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

62. Leave Hillary alone... she took responsibility. Isn't that enough?

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[Blue_true]

67. You make a good point. It is just that loss gnaw at my soul for several reasons.

The fact that we have a complete incompetent leading us now hurts just as much.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

68. Yup, you make a good point too... I'll never get over losin to a gameshow host!!

Now, we need to make up for that. Defeating tRumpty Dumbty is of utmost importance... as we've seen time and time again, especially in the last few weeks, lives literally hang in the balance!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[LostOne4Ever]

16. He didn't screw anything up four years ago

And he isn’t going to screw things up now.

Leave that lie behind.

[LongtimeAZDem]

44. Yes he did, and having AOC go on FOX to claim voter suppression

Shows that he's going to do it again

[LostOne4Ever]

46. There is absolutely no proof to that statement

The Polls didn't show that:

http://centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/articles/did-bernie-sanders-cost-hillary-clinton-the-presidency/

Further, Had Bernie cost Hillary the election her numbers would have been in the gutter from the time of the convention all the way to Election day with her never being able to catch up to Trump.

That is not how things went down and coming out of the convention Hillary's numbers were at a high.

FURTHERMORE, Bernie brought a greater percentage of his voters out to vote for Clinton than Clinton did for Obama in 2008. This is a straight up fact.

ONE THING AND ONE THING ONLY SUNK HILLARY: JAMES COMNEY.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-comey-letter-probably-cost-clinton-the-election/

All the evidence bares this out. It is REVISIONIST History by Bernie haters to claim Bernie cost Hillary the election.

AGAIN BERNIE DID NOT COST HILLARY THE ELECTION!

[jmowreader]

47. Please.

https://www.npr.org/2017/08/24/545812242/1-in-10-sanders-primary-voters-ended-up-supporting-trump-survey-finds

This article reports that in three critical states - Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin - the number of people who voted for Sanders in the primary and Trump in the general was larger than Trump's margin of victory over Clinton.

"Bernie" may not have cost Hillary the election, but his supporters surely did.

[Ace Rothstein]

51. Those people were never going to vote for a Dem unless it was Sanders.

[jmowreader]

65. So their second choice is that Republican?

In what possible universe should a Sanders supporter voting for a man who would put Sanders in front of a firing squad if he possibly could, be seen as anything but a middle finger to the Democratic Party?

[Ace Rothstein]

66. They are people who want to blow up the system.

[Evergreen Emerald]

58. Yes he did. Rather than unite, he continued to divide...and he is doing it again

He wants to force Joe to answer questions? Why not instead, support Joe and discuss how we TOGETHER, hold Trump to four years

He is so self-focused, he can't stop attacking the Democratic party. To the determent of our nation.

[aikoaiko]

17. Bernie makes a good scapegoat when needed

At least he does that well.

[LanternWaste]

24. He does much more than that very, very well...

"At least he does that well..."

He does much more than that well... for example, he can point his fingers in blame at the media, polls, Democrats, Democratic voters, etc better than any other insider politician.

Show the guy a little credit...

[aikoaiko]

36. True, very true.

He also irritates all the right people. Like a ninja.

[Cha]

50. The Media. Young Voters. Sanders Spreads the Blame for His Decline.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287657489

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

55. Sure seems that way!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[zak247]

18. Bernie is a rigid ideologue

Bernie is a rigid ideologue and doesn't see the damage he has done.

He created so much bitterness in his programmed followers who are indoctrinated in his rigid intolerance that they can't get away from him and look at the bigger picture of defeating a lunatic a dangerous demagogue.

Bernie doesn't consider the damage he does to the people hurt by Trump's presidency.

He and the elitists won't lose their Obamacare or get their food stamps cut, or Medicare or Medicaid cut.

[LanternWaste]

21. Sanders has neither the power nor the potency to do as much.

Biden's lead is quickly becoming overwhelming, and the few die-hard contrarians remaining this November will be abjectly defeated as a Blue Tsunami overcomes them in a swift and merciless wave.

[empedocles]

31. anti trump tsunami

[DarthDem]

28. No, he isn't

[MFM008]

29. Sanders

Is hoping Joe flubs it in the debate
So he can maybe win something on Tuesday.
And on and on and on.

[Submariner]

32. I'm waiting for Sen Leahy talk some sense into Bernie and drop out before the debate

If he doesn’t, we’re screwed.

[redstatebluegirl]

33. I think all of us and the party have his number this time.

It is to important to tolerate his nonsense this time around.

[Cha]

48. The Voters in all those states sure

did.

[McCamy Taylor]

35. We. Won't. Let. Him.

I have never seen such a unified Democratic Party!

[TreasonousBastard]

37. It's what he does best.

[cwydro]

38. No he won't.

Biden has got this.

[StarfishSaver]

43. He's going to try, but I don't think it will work. Too many people have seen this movie before

and they're not going to fall for it this time.

I hope I'm right.

[not_the_one]

45. Never overestimate the American people...

Fool me once....
Can't get fooled again...

I think Bernie will get on board when the time comes (he may be kicking and screaming, but he will be on board). The problem is his supporters. They are such delicate little flowers, bless their hearts.

[aikoaiko]

52. If he wanted to he could, but he won't.

[showblue22]

63. It's the opposite.

If he could, he would but he can't. His fan base is smaller than in 2016 and it's getting even smaller day by day.

[betsuni]

53. K&R

[mikeysnot]

56. Really?

[Politicub]

59. I don't believe that's the case this time

I think he wants to use his waning position of power to advocate for positions he feels passionately about. The current moment is ideal for him to highlight how his ideas about M4A would blunt some of the effects of the pandemic on the American people.

At least, that's what I am going to believe until I see him do something different at the debate on Sunday.

What does bug me about his campaign is the ad he is running in heavy rotation in Georgia. It's some kind of out of context commentary from Biden about social security, Medicare, etc. I see it more suppressive of the overall vote for the general election rather than an argument for Bernie, who is bound to lose Georgia on March 24.