Are Joe and Bernie speaking out against fucking hoarders?

[Magoo48]

These Pendejos are causing real difficulties for seniors, homeless, poor, those with only public transportation access, students, disabled...etc. etc. People who can only purchase and or carry limited amounts of goods on a regular basis.

Maybe I missed it; If I did sorry about the mini rant.

Both these guys need to come out hard, strong, and large against fucking hoarding.

[LovingA2andMI]

1. Is that their place?

Truly. Instead the question should be why are they still insisting on debating Sunday -- and not focusing on providing COVID-19 updates on the regular.

[Demsrule86]

4. They are not insisting on a debate...Sanders is...he lost the nomination and should bow out.

[Magoo48]

7. Whose talking about debates; we know who stands for what.

This is about discouraging asshole hoarders bringing increased suffering to those already struggling.

[Magoo48]

5. It's every American's place to speak out against hoarding, especially would be leaders.

[gibraltar72]

2. People are scared and are in the most part

Trying to limit their trips to store. Yeah it's a little irrational. But exactly what has this admenstruation done that gives anyone confidence/

[Magoo48]

9. It's selfish and self centered with complete disregard for those who depend on small supplies.

[ZZenith]

29. Is menstruation now an insult?

Trying to keep up with the new lingo.

[Pacifist Patriot]

40. Not impressed at all.

[LakeArenal]

77. Exactly what I thought.

[Pacifist Patriot]

34. Please reconsider your language.

Menstruation is natural and necessary. It performs a useful function that enables our species to survive. I don't see anything about it that merits comparison to this administration. And certainly should not be used in a pejorative manner. Thank you.

[gibraltar72]

38. This is a bloody mess.

[Pacifist Patriot]

39. Really? This is your reply?

[ZZenith]

43. As are you, it would seem.

[Pacifist Patriot]

44. I guess if someone wants to be known for offensive sexist language...

that's their choice.

Disappointing to see it here and largely unchallenged.

[ZZenith]

45. Inexplicably a jury let it slide.

Perhaps they didn’t notice the childish and odious attempt to be clever with language that decent people find objectionable.

[Pacifist Patriot]

47. Ugh

Seriously disappointing. We should be better than this.

[ZZenith]

48. Someday we will.

[drray23]

78. Or it could be an autocorrect mishap. Nt.

[Pacifist Patriot]

86. Doesn't seem to be the case based on the reply.

It was definitely intentional.

[Magoo48]

46. That's dandy,

I’m suggesting Joe and Bernie stand up and be counted.

[True Blue American]

85. In the Kroger store Friday

I actually had to clear a path for a little Lady on a walker to get through the check out lines. She was scared to death. I am not sure she knew what she was doing. I will say those in line moved over as soon as they saw her. And I thanked them. We all will be there someday. I consider myself lucky.

Most people are still considerate, except those few with loaded baskets insisting on going in the express self service lane.

[Demsrule86]

3. Neither have any say...just stop.

[Magoo48]

10. What the hell do you mean "just stop"?

This is how you show leadership. This is how you define yourself.
Do we just stop looking and ignore this danger to members of our communities?

[William769]

27. Trust me, you have defined yourself. nt

[Magoo48]

32. Since that was left open ended, I'll take it as a compliment.

[LakeArenal]

79. So precious

[sprinkleeninow]

8. They placed limits on certain items but too late in the day.

I believe they don't care. $$$

[Magoo48]

13. Be that as it may, these two must set the bar.

[sprinkleeninow]

41. My wording ambiguous.

The stores/merchants hauling in $$$ don't care. Stores around here that I know of since Friday are putting limits on certain items as to be equitable for customers. They shoulda done that from the get-go.

[Magoo48]

49. Bernie and Joe must stand up and speak out.

Regardless of what stores or people consuming mass quantities do. Or guys need to take a clear position.

[sprinkleeninow]

56. I think so. Counteract the lying manufactured crap emitting

from you-know-who and his.

Not primarily on this buying frenzy as it were, but on all erroneous and dangerous twisted misinformation.


God, you can't see anything tangible outside, but you sense something dark and teetering on morbid out there.

I'm a practicing Eastern Orthodox Christian, nonetheless this situation is weighing quite heavily on my soul.

This is an abnormality. What we have squatting as CiC, coupled with this viral thing....

[Magoo48]

11. Damn right they should have slammed the doors,

and I want to hear these candidates say so. They want to be leaders, then lead.

[AnotherMother4Peace]

12. What do you consider "fucking hoarding"? My household plans on being home bound

for about 2 months. I've been slowly stocking up (cat food, beans, toilet paper, meds, etc) since I saw what was happening in China. We are no longer going out - we're definitely in the "expendable" high-risk group. We may be down to eating Ramen next month, but hopefully we'll not be in the hospital (or dead).

[Magoo48]

15. It's any kind of buying behavior which interferes with any member of our communities having

continuing access to the goods they require on a regular basis.

[still_one]

14. It is up to the retail merchants to do that, but the OPs point is good, the candidates should call

on the retail merchants to imit quantities per person

[Magoo48]

16. Exactly.

[Sloumeau]

17. The CDC said that people at higher risk should stock up on supplies:

[link:https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/specific-groups/high-risk-complications.html|]

If you are at higher risk of getting very sick from COVID-19, you should:

Stock up on supplies.
Take everyday precautions to keep space between yourself and others.
When you go out in public, keep away from others who are sick, limit close contact and wash your hands often.
Avoid crowds as much as possible.
Avoid cruise travel and non-essential air travel.
During a COVID-19 outbreak in your community, stay home as much as possible to further reduce your risk of being exposed.

The non higher risk people may have gone along because perhaps they are afraid that when the high-risk people are done there will be nothing left.

[Magoo48]

23. Are you not listening? Some. People. Can. Not. Stock. Up.

For a multitude of reasons, hundreds of thousands of people, at least, depend on a regular supply.

[PatrickforO]

18. They are, I'm sure. So is my governor Polis.

The shit-bag Trump on the other hand, seemed to encourage it in today's White House presser.

[Magoo48]

24. See reply#17...

These two guys of ours must speak out.

[nolabear]

19. I dunno, fucking a hoarder might be smart right about now.

I KID!! I KID!!!

[Magoo48]

25. That phrase did sound a bit suggestive didn't it. Oh well.

good catch.

[Pacifist Patriot]

30. DUzy

[BidenBacker]

62. I just bought a year's worth of food and booze

Then hopefully coronavirus will do it's thing and maybe I'll get laid if a few women get hungry and thirsty enough.

Reminds of a joke I heard once...mighta been Dangerfield. "I tried to buy a condom the other day...the cashier told me to buy a lottery ticket instead. Better odds."

[PoliticAverse]

20. If you make public announcements about people hording you can give more people the idea...

that they should be hoarding and increase the problem.

[Magoo48]

26. Right?

[WhiskeyGrinder]

21. what if they're really hot tho

[4now]

22. I am more concerned about Profiteers

[Magoo48]

28. It's the same kind of shithead behavior, and should be denounced immediately by

those who want to lead.

[Big Blue Marble]

33. It is not the same.

Millions of people need to stay out of stores for months. What would you have them do?
Starve in their homes. Many of these same people live in rural areas without delivery service.

Others will suddenly be held in isolation and quarantine without warning.

The supply chains will replenish the stores within a week and those who avoid contact over
the next months are doing our society a service to @Flatten the curve.

I suggest you redirect your intense anger at those who placed us in this crisis and not
those who are attempting to cope with it the best way they can.

You might want to use your considerable energies to go out and serve your community in this time of need
rather than ranting on a discussion board.

[Magoo48]

50. One of the ways I serve my community is by keeping a considerate eye

on the needs of my neighbors. Grabbing more than one’s share is never socially acceptable behavior.

[Big Blue Marble]

54. Why do you assume that they are

Grabbing more than one’s share."?

There are more people in stores buying what they need to survive for a month or more without
returning. How is that more than their share? They are being told to stay home.

I shopped on Wednesday. I saw no one buying 'Grabbing more than one’s share."

Thank you for supporting your neighbors. This is a time to be part of our community.
Ironically, for some of us at high risk, that means hibernating for the duration.

I wish you peace.

[Magoo48]

66. You must live in a terribly enlightened community. Lucky you.

[Big Blue Marble]

31. Me too. N/T

[IronLionZion]

35. Italians sing to each other from their homes

while Americans buy up all the stuff just to sell it to their neighbors at higher prices.

Our culture is sick in a different way.

[BidenBacker]

59. Italians are singing

because they ain't eating.

[IronLionZion]

60. Americans need lots of toilet paper

because Americans are shitting themselves with panic

[BidenBacker]

61. There's a difference between panic and preparation

Everybody has to draw their own line and stay on one side or cross it if they so choose.

Saw one funny comment the other day on a financial website...in response to one person complaining that he couldn't find enough TP another poster said you won't need that much toilet paper when the food supply stops. A case of canned beans and a year's worth of toilet paper doesn't seem to be a very good balance to me.

[Hortensis]

36. Magoo, "hoarders" are not emptying the store shelves between

. Many, many, many millions of people are, people who are supposed to be laying in extra supplies in case they must shelter at home. They're doing what is right and necessary, as experts in handling epidemics are advising them to.

Imo, this epidemic and the special problems of some groups do not justify acting out and calling people fuckers and pendejos. You should be happy to realize that most of those shopping are laying in supplies not just to care for one person, but for their families, which typically include members who cannot care for themselves. In addition, many are also running errands for others, such as "senior" relatives or friends, "disabled" relatives or friends, neighbors who no longer drive, etc. etc.

And you should already know that "just in time" merchandising means that stores have moved to only purchasing enough to meet demand for a couple days. When demand goes up unexpectedly, as it has now, THAT will cause empty spots on the shelvs until new supplies arrive.

[Magoo48]

37. OK, if you say so.

[demtenjeep]

51. Hubby and I are in the high risk category and we are in our 50s So we bought a month's supply

like we always do. Teachers get paid once a month so we always shop for a month.

However, we bought a few additional items.

Dried Milk
Rice
Beans
Soup
hash
chili


we did not hoard but did buy a little extra.

We had to go to 4 stores to buy 16 rolls of TP. As a Crohn's girl, I can not go without. But we can stay home for a month if need be. Hubby can WFH but I can't I am going to guess we will extend our Spring Break which started Friday to two weeks. My youngest is a teacher near Seattle-her school is cancelled until April

We could not find any lysol or alcohol. We went to the liquor store and bought some cheap Bourbon .


What I saw that saddened me was people buying baby formula as a milk replacement. My para is a new mother and can't find formula for her baby girl.

[BidenBacker]

58. Another voice of reason

If anything, many/most Americans are ill-prepared not just for this virus but any other emergency situation like a natural disaster or a major failing of our infrastructure due to whatever reason.

Even government websites recommend that we all have a certain amount of basic food and necessary supplies on hand...ranging anywhere from a week to a month. If something bad were to happen, then at least we'd all be somewhat self-sufficient for at least a short time rather than making a bad situation that much worse and requiring a massive federal response to take care of millions who didn't do shit to help prepare themselves a little.

You wanna see REAL fuckers and pendejos go check out some reich-wing survivalists websites sometime...they are almost relishing this crap. Hope they bought lots of seasoning...all that ammo they're stocking up on is pretty damn bland without a little salt and pepper.

[Magoo48]

67. Perhaps you're correct. It's the preppers. Nothing we can do.

Yet, today, many seniors in my community will not have access to the items they require because the shelves are empty.

[Just_Vote_Dem]

72. You're right

I understand that people are buying enough for a few weeks, but I don't have the money to do that. There has to be a common ground between stocking up and those who are hoarding like this is going to last years.

[Aquaria]

42. Oh good grief

I'm high risk and could be facing quarantine or isolation for a prolonged time. I also have a medication that gives me digestive issues that often have me using far more TP than most other people. You try dealing with 4-8 episodes of diarrhea every single day--when you're relatively healthy, and see how much TP you go through. Now imagine being that way with Corona. Not a pretty idea, is it?

So I'm not buying the basketful of TP for shits and grins, pardon the pun, but because that's something I must do on a regular basis as it is. But if I'm going to be stuck at home and never go anywhere, possibly for several weeks? And if I get sick on top of it?

Either way, I need to have far more on hand than usual. I tried to get stocked up ahead, but a recent money crunch had me delaying what I thought were non-essentials, because I had quite a bit of what I needed on hand. But that didn't last forever. And then I needed to stock up harder than I normally would have, at a really bad time for taking care of that.

Am I supposed to ignore the CDC advice for high risk people like me, and not get what I need, when I need it, and can afford to get it?

Yes, there are idiot hoarders buying too much for no good reason, but this is what people do when they're scared to death--and well they should be, given how much our government has fucked up the COVID-19 response. We're on our own and we know it.

I guess if you insist, though, that Biden or BS (roll eyes) get out in front of the issue, then the proper response would be this:

Remind them of the medical advice, and to heed it.

Remind the public not to hoard, to consider other people out there--people like me who need stuff.

Give stern warnings to businesses to start clamping down on panic purchases, or else they'll be faced with more draconian measures like government-controlled rationing. If they don't voluntarily do it, it will be forced upon them, and sooner than any of us think.

The most important thing mere candidates can do is keep slamming the real source of the problem we're facing--the inept treasonous pig shitting all over any kind of (barely) adequate responses to a coming pandemic. That disgusting psychopath is the reason people are in a panic. They know he cares about them not at all, only about his own selfish wants. They know he's a fucking moron and has no fucking clue what he's doing while the country falls apart. And they've seen, already, that all the things that were supposed to prevent such an imbecile of a sadist from getting and keeping power have failed us. We're stuck with the amoral piece of shit, there's nothing we can do to get rid of him. We saw the evidence of it last month. People got the message loud and clear from that: We are on our own.

It's ridiculous when people blame Biden or even BS for things beyond their control, or to blame the public for doing what little they can to have the illusion of control. They can only do so much, because they don't have the power to do much. That's why their efforts will be little more than bandaids on an amputation. The problem is the person taking bone saws to the body politic and letting it bleed to death, right before our eyes. That's where we need to direct all attention and energy--holding the psychopathic asshole to account, every minute of every day, and not letting up.

[BidenBacker]

55. Good post

Everyone has their own set of circumstances that dictate their behavior that the OP blatantly ignored.

My partner has a disabled daughter who was brain-injured at birth due to the doctor screwing up who eventually lost his license. She is totally dependent on us...but apparently we're supposed to increase the chances for her getting sick and dying just because some folks wanna pick up a fresh loaf of bread every goddamn day.

[CentralMass]

52. I hope that they are speaking out against celibate horders too.

[Magoo48]

63. Yes, Yes celibate hoarding is much worse, actually.

[BidenBacker]

53. Your post strikes me as a little over the top

Some people (like my partner) are simply buying more than usual lately...not because we are afraid of a disruption in the delivery of food and supplies, but to instead reduce the amount of opportunities for exposure.

What do you think would more likely lead to being exposed to the virus...going out every 2 or 3 days, or going out only once every week or two? Using your logic somebody could go off on a similar rant about people who don't plan ahead a little and continue to shop frequently like it was normal times being the ones who are actually making the problem worse.

I think there's a rational compromise between acting like absolutely nothing has happened and building a concrete bunker with 10 years worth of supplies because Armegeddon is right around the corner. Each person has to decide for him or herself what is "reasonable" and what isn't.

[GulfCoast66]

57. I certainly hope not! Because that is a picayune thing for a national candidate to worry about.

We are in the midst of a long predicted Pandemic the last thing I want is a national leader worrying about some dude hoarding TP or Hand sanitizer.

The whole idea is ridiculous. Let mayors or some such worry about that.

What next? Our candidates position on slowpokes driving in the fast lane?

[Magoo48]

65. I disagree, commenting on public behavior in times of doubt

and potential danger is certainly within the per view of a president.

When the actions of one group of Americans denies resources to another group it is only “ridiculous” until you’re the one going without.

[GulfCoast66]

73. I don't want our President to be the National nag.

Feeling the need to comment on every silly issue.

Hoarding hand sanitizer and TP is really not a real thing anyway. Everyone buying at once is the problem. Americans love a silly story.

Of course, maybe we need politician to come up with a plan where every American gets their fair share of toilet paper.

[Magoo48]

75. When people are left without because others consumed mass quantities, it is a lot of things,

but “silly” is not one of them.

[GulfCoast66]

80. If we were talking food, medicine, water or other life necessities

Then it would be an issue.

Making a big deal out of TP is the very definition of a silly issue. This shortage is not caused by people buying 20 cases of TP. It’s that everyone is buying all at once.

With all the things we have going on the last thing I want our leaders nagging us about is the unfairness of how Americans wipe their asses.

This is a first world problem.

[BidenBacker]

64. No worries...we're all safe now

Google is on it...

https://seekingalpha.com/news/3551787-google-working-on-national-coronavirus-website

Yesterday, President Trump said that Google was developing a website "to determine whether a test is warranted and to facilitate testing at a nearby convenient location."

Trump hated Google last year when he accused them of bias. But loves 'em now when they do his fucking job for him.

Give Google a few more years and we'll be able to perform surgeries on ourselves. That oughta help drive healthcare costs down a little. Love reading some people's comments under articles...

"Google is doing a website."
"Well yes Mr. President, sort of, it's actually our sister com-"
"They've got 17 engineers working on it."
"Wait what."
"Actually let's round up, it's 1,700 engineers, nobody knows."
"Oh god WHAT."
"It'll be ready by like Wednesday."
&quot ╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻"
"If you have the coronavirus, the website will cure you. It'll be one of the great websites, many people are already saying it."
"You know what, fine, we're doing the thing you just said."

[ucrdem]

68. This is Trump's job, and yes, he needs to step up and say this.

Pedro Sanchez in Spain and Emmanuel Macron in France would be good examples to look to. They both got dressed up and gave long speeches on community sacrifices etc. Trump rolled out of bed and farted. Not the same.

[Magoo48]

69. Of course it's his job, but he cannot do it.

Time for our two guys to be seen and counted.

[ucrdem]

70. It will probably come up tonight.

In fact they might express some solidarity on the issue. That would be nice!

[Magoo48]

71. Yes, it would be nice.

[StarfishSaver]

74. They can't talk about everything

Focus

[Magoo48]

76. They issue statements all the time, condemning this or that, supporting that and the other thing.

Issue a statement.

[StarfishSaver]

81. As I said, they can't talk about everything

Focus.

[Magoo48]

82. I am focused...on Climate Catastrophe, Climate Justice, and Community Awareness.

All I hear is crickets on all three fronts.

[Pachamama]

83. What do you consider "hoarding" and define as "Hoarders"?

I have a home in California and we are taught to be prepared at all times for a possible earthquake and with the wildfires, power outages and water and food shortages. I have all possible supplies in a storage area in my basement that include everything imaginable and while I hate the name "prepper" I guess you could call me a very very prepared person for the worst case scenario that is within my control.

I even have medical supplies, bandages and mediations (including prescription painkillers and antibiotics) and Lifestraws and bottles of chlorine bleach. I even have iodine tablets for my families thyroid. I have been trained at Emergency medical procedures at Sea because I used to do ocean cruising and sailing and need to know how to handle things in an emergency and be my own hospital.

I currently have enough food with caloric and nutritional content to keep my family going for 3 months. I have plenty of sanitizing supplies (chlorine, sanitizer, rubbing alcohol etc) and lots of toilet paper. But I also ordered bidet sprayers for the toilets and have asked my family to use them and have washcloths to "dry" that I can wash in hot water and soap and thus limit the use of toilet paper. I have started menu planning and how I use the food. (something I also learned at sea and ocean cruises that can last weeks, months).

Am I a "hoarder"?

I don't think so. I learned as a sailor that you have to be your own hospital and to prepare for the unexpected storm and incident that can happen. I see no difference right now with what is happening and what will be coming. And with a completely incompetent administration, I do not look towards them to solve this problem and I also know that many of my fellow citizens are completely clueless and I can't rely on them. So I am taking care of myself and my family. Call me whatever you want.

But I want to bring my sailboat safely into harbor after the storm with my crew all alive and safe.

[Magoo48]

88. I wrote my definition earlier in this thread.

[Skidmore]

84. I understand your concern for these vulnerable people,

however, rationing during a crisis is something that needs to be ordered by someone in a position of authority. I do know that mayors are calling for this and, in our area, groups of citizens are organizing to secure supplies and food for people who can't get out.

[Magoo48]

87. Agreed,

yet, it’s never wrong to speak out on the side of thoughtfulness, compassion for our neighbors, and restraint.

[Bayard]

89. Call me a fucking hoarder then

We've been trying to stock up enough so that I don't have to go out for a month. My husband has been doing most of the supply runs, but he'll be going back to work soon, and he's gone for a month at a time.

I figure I'm a goner if I get this virus. I have asthma, often get bronchitis and respiratory infections, with occasional pneumonia. Since I cough a lot anyway, I'd probably be shunned in any public situation.

You don't know everybody's situation. You can't presume, and neither can our candidates. Has anyone accused you of being a hoarder when you are out buying supplies for the people you mention?

[Magoo48]

90. Why would I call you a hoarder? Many of us do what we must, and only we are the arbitrators

of what’s personally acceptable. Many others of us scoop and clutch for no real reason beyond self centered fear or gain for power and profit. This leaves many community members without any access, and that is my concern. Hoarding and profiteering are easy to spot, and the reasoning never adds up. They don’t look at all like people meeting their personal and family needs.

[Turin_C3PO]

91. Hoarders

are selfish and greedy. And no, I’m not talking about people who have to stock up for a few months, I’m talking about those who fill their carts with Lysol ans sanitizer, stuff like that.

[Magoo48]

92. Yup...