I HOPE THIS WRONG. It's really bad for dems Bernie Bros warn of 'massive exodus' if Democrats nomin

[trueblue2007]

I HOPE DEMOCRATS will vote for WHOEVER wins the nomination. I know I will



Bernie Bros warn of ‘massive exodus’ if Democrats nominate Joe Biden

The Bernie Bros are vowing revenge.

“We will never – NEVER boost or support Joe Biden or defend his abysmal record and terrible policy positions,” Henry Williams, executive director of The Gravel Institute, told The Post. “We will tell people, as we always have, to vote their conscience and to make decisions based on the interests of all the world’s oppressed people … I do expect a massive exodus from the Democratic Party.” Williams, along with David Oks and Henry Magowan, are the driving forces behind the brief presidential campaign of Mike Gravel, an 89-year-old former Alaska senator who left the race in August. The trio then became enthusiastic Bernie Bros.

The grumbling from Sanders die-hards is no idle threat. A whopping 12% of them voted for Trump in 2016, according to an analysis by Cooperative Congressional Election Study. That added up to roughly 216,000 voters in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, exit polls showed. Trump’s combined margin of victory in those states was 77,744.

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After sweeping to victories in the early states, many believed Sanders was on a glide path to the Democratic nomination. The momentum was halted by Biden after a crushing victory in South Carolina and strong showings on Super Tuesday. Former establishment rivals like Amy Klobuchar, Pete Buttigieg and Mike Bloomberg quickly consolidated around the former vice president. Now, far behind in the delegate math, it’s Sanders who finds his campaign on life-support.



“I think staying in the race is the responsible thing to do,” Bhaskar Sunkara, founder and editor of the socialist magazine Jacobin told The Post. “He needs to challenge Biden on certain aspects of his rhetoric. He needs to accumulate clout and delegates to shape the Democratic platform and pressure the Biden campaign into adopting a more popular economic platform.”

Sunkara says he too has no plans to vote for Biden.

https://nypost.com/2020/03/14/bernie-bros-warn-of-massive-exodus-if-democrats-nominate-joe-biden/?utm_source=NYPFacebook&utm_campaign=SocialFlow&sr_share=facebook&utm_medium=SocialFlow&fbclid=IwAR0qN9RBVhhav4VPwJlTnWQwshss1N4P5buXLwSFFKBTPqAAQ5r2n6EcsRM






WE NEED TO PULL TOGETHER TO DEFEAT THE MONSTER, DONALD RUMP !!!!!




I PLEDGE TO DO THIS ..... WILL YOU??

[elleng]

1. Sounds like bull shit to me, NOT BS at all.

[redstatebluegirl]

2. I am beyond tired of their bullying and threats.

Our party will be fine if all of the true dems show up and vote. Please remember they have shown that they do not vote. I do believe they are all hat and no cattle.

[still_one]

3. whoever these so called Sanders supporters are who vow to leave if Sanders isn't the nominee, don't

let the door hit your ass on the way out

[trueblue2007]

14. MY OPINION :: They are not democrats !!! You said: " these so called Sanders supporters "

makes me cry.



makes me just so depressed people like these might take us to another term of TRUMP, THE MONSTER.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

4. Consider the source: NY Post, a Murdoch rag.

They want Trump to be able to run against Bernie, not Biden, so they'll amplify whatever crap comes from the juicebox revolutionary wing.

[NurseJackie]

6. "juicebox revolutionary wing." -- Haaaaa!

juicebox revolutionary wing.

Joe/Kamala or Biden/Harris 2020!!
Jump on the Biden Bandwagon & abandon the revolution!!

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

7. Charles Pierce's term, not mine, but I'm keeping it.

[gristy]

5. My take on this...

The thing to keep in mind is that lots of folks will vote for Trump in the fall for lots of different reasons, just about all of which have been discussed at length here at the DU. Just because some voters support Sanders but then prefer Trump over Biden should be no surprise - there are all kinds of people out there. Fortunately, their numbers will probably be insufficient to make much of a difference.

[OnDoutside]

26. And will be significantly outnumbered by Independents and moderate Republicans.

[NCProgressive]

47. This!!

[Mr.Bill]

8. I have never let a threat

influence how I vote.

[TwilightZone]

9. Ignore it.

There is a subset of Sanders supporters who were never going to vote for anyone other than Sanders.

There's really nothing we can do about them, so we should focus on those we can.

If they don't understand the threat that another four years of Trump represents and would rather throw tantrums and stay home, they don't care about anything Sanders stands for.

[mvd]

13. Agreed

Sanders supporters who vote for Trump aren’t even listening to Bernie himself. I have been unhappy about how some things have gone, but first we must get Trump out before ideological battles.

Also, I actually have liked some Jacobin articles, but now I will be sticking to Huffington Post and CommonDreams.

[Squinch]

10. Yeah, yeah, whatever.

[Hortensis]

11. Hardly "massive." They did it in 2016, and we elected Hillary

by a large margin.

We weren't able to get her election through the electoral college, not because of these creeps, a mercifully small minority of wannabe rioters. It was because of the many others who didn't vote, or voted third party or Republican, because people like Sanders and Trump lied to them that Democrats were corrupt and they had no choices worth voting for. Except Sanders, of course, but the evil Democrats had stolen the election from him.

I'd like to see people stop gratifying these creeps by imagining they have an importance and place in our election they don't at all. As we know, they're not us and they never will be. Furthermore, we wouldn't want them under any circumstances -- just look at how they behave following Sanders. If this rabble came to our neighborhoods trying to cause trouble the way they do on social media, we'd call the police on them.

[NurseJackie]

12. Fuck 'em! I'm sick of their whining and constant need for validation and ego strokes.

Lookit... for the same amount of effort spent trying to console and flatter ONE "bro" and convince him/her to support the party (and with no guaranteed results come election day), we could instead spend the SAME amount of effort with NORMAL "get out the vote" efforts... and normal "grow the party" registration efforts. For that SAME effort trying to "save" one bro... we could instead bring dozens or hundreds of new voters to the party and into the process.

So... fuck 'em. Let 'em go. We don't have time for that emoprog bullshit. Welcome to the real world... it's time for them to grow up. Trying to blackmail the party with threats of "leaving it blank" or voting for Trump, etc etc... that doesn't work with me. I don't care. Do it.

If someone REALLY his hell-bent on being like Sarandon, or Krystal Ball, or Nina Turner... or anyone else who gleefully votes AGAINST the Demcorat... that's just one more idiot that I don't have to worry about. There are plenty more rational and intelligent and reasonable voters (or potential voters) who can take their place.

[TreasonousBastard]

57. Spot on-- there are few, but loud, Bernistas left. We can't get them, but we can, and should...

go after anyone else to get out the vote.

[Frasier Balzov]

15. They can't claim in 2020

that they don't know who Trump is now.

Their votes won't go to Trump. That would just be masochism.

[showblue22]

16. They are half of what they were in 2016.

Biden has a new coalition.

[pnwmom]

17. Only a small fraction of Bernie supporters did that last time, and he has fewer supporters this time

We're not going to get the Jill Stein types no matter what.

[Sloumeau]

18. I believe that the NYPost is a GOP leaning rag.

They may be trying to scare people into voting for Bernie. The thing is, this kind of thing always happens. In 2008, some people who liked Hillary ended up voting for McCain when Obama got the nomination. It always happens. I would not worry about it too much.

[brooklynite]

19. Isn't the "Gravel Institute" a bunch of High School students with a Twitter feed?

[empedocles]

20. Seems that some on the far left, are as angy/oblivious/stubborn as their kin on far right.

[Afromania]

21. Ny post. Right leaning rag.

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Wouldn't trust it to catch dog poop. You pick it up and put it in the trash only to turn around and see the poop is still on the ground.

[trueblue2007]

22. sorry, i did not know it was so bad. I should erase this thread.

[hlthe2b]

23. I think this group in incorporated within the segment that never votes. So probably zilch impact.

[Aquaria]

24. LIAR LIAR LIAR LIAR LIAR LIAR LIAR LIAR LIAR LIAR LIAR LIAR LIAR

We will tell people, as we always have, to vote their conscience and to make decisions based on the interests of all the world’s oppressed people

By not voting or voting against the Democrats, the only party that a) has a chance of winning, you fricking idiot tool, and b) supports the oppressed, you're insuring that you give power to a party that takes sadistic delight in harming women, minorities, workers, the poor, the sick, and the elderly--you know, OPPRESSED PEOPLE, you insufferable moron of a traitor prick.

Must be nice to be such selfish, self-serving over-privileged traitor filth that you have the luxury of throwing all those OPPRESSED PEOPLE under the bus to satisfy your moronic fake ideological purity.

You and your ilk aren't liberals.

YOU ARE THE ENEMY.

[LizBeth]

25. It was stated they would NEVER vote Biden. What is the point Sanders staying in causing havoc?

[Turin_C3PO]

27. I wouldn't worry too much about them.

Most of them are probably serial non-voters anyway. My gut tells me that when all is said and done, 90% of Sanders voters will do the right thing and vote for Biden. If it’s any consolation, I know seven Bernie supporters and all of them are planning to vote for the nominee in the general election.

[onetexan]

28. Oh sure, let them be immature and threaten us

i feel the increased voter turnout in the GE will make up for the rabid Bernie followers, as is already evident in the primaries so far.

[Blue_true]

44. In the 2016 General, I believe two things happened.

Trump maximized the "hate" vote. People that hate Hillary or immigrants or the idea of paying taxes. Those people will most likely stay with Trump.

Many people that would have voted for Hillary didn't vote, because they saw Trump as such a joke that it was inconceivable that he would beat Hillary. Their assumption was their vote would not be needed.

Like I wrote, I expect Trump to maximize the hate vote, but I believe that won't help him because of the flood of voters that want him out of office, those voters will not assume this time, they will surely vote. We saw that in Virginia, where some seats were lost in 2017 because people didn't vote, those people showed up in waves in 2018 and 2019 and changed the face of Virginia politics.

[Chainfire]

29. Well, I'll be damned

That sounds awful Trumpian to me. Damn the voters selections, we win or we set the house on fire.

This kind of story reeks of Russia meddling, designed to sow division in the party for the benefit of their Manchurian Candidate.

In any case, if true, I believe it is only the fringe element that would have such an attitude as to try to elect Trump over Biden.

If I am wrong, and they decide they want to self immolate over a lost cause, so be it.

[Kahuna7]

30. They. Are. Not. Democrats. nt

[bubbazero]

31. Lenin would be so proud!

ok, a small group of self-appointed intellectually/emotionally elite is going to try and force the entire Democratic Party to do their bidding, or else? OK, how bout this---If Bernie doesn't win the nomination, and doesn't enthusiastically campaign for and support the Democratic Nominee---then after nov. the democratic party pulls ALL SENATE COMITTEE ASSIGNMENTS! (think Steve "useless as tits on a boar" King) Bernie can still vote in the senate but will spend his remaining days contemplating his "revolution" alone! Your call Bernie bros

[zackymilly]

32. "Massive Exodus"? LOL. Where are the massive crowds of young voters for Bernie? n/t

[Me.]

35. Perhsps We Already Saw It

When he lost so many primaries.

[Me.]

33. Enough

of their bullying, blackmail, threats, tantrums, crybabying and so forth. I've had enough of them and HIM. They overestimate their importance. If there were enough of them he would be winning by a landslide instead of losing by such. They and he are attention junkies and I say again, ENOUGH.

And, enough of the 'we need them' meme, which is another form of scare tactic. We can do it without them.

[creeksneakers2]

34. Bhaskar Sunkara has no business saying what the platform should be.

If he isn't going to support the nominee he's a cheater. He should be immediately rejected.

[Happy Hoosier]

36. It'll be the same idiot from 2016.

It's telling that they think they can win by threatening us. Fuck 'em.

[Freethinker65]

37. Those obnoxious Twitter bots refuse to vote for Biden, eh?

Hahahaha.

[BGBD]

38. I hope they do

we are better off without those guys around.It is a very small group who will stop their feet and hold their breath anyway.

[Hav]

39. A large majority of BS supporters aren't like the destructive bros and

will support the Dem nominee because they have a functioning brain. But if you follow social media, you definitely see these supposed progressives who proclaim they'll never vote for Biden. And just like the guys in this article, they are fking idiots. They talk about voting your conscience and for your own interests...when the alternative is Trump whose policies are not only incomparably farther away than those of any Dem, he also attacks the accomplishments and improvements of former Dem administrations. They get mad about Biden only building on Obamacare despite his intention that everyone will be insured one day while Trump is trying to destroy it, taking away the coverage for so many.
How ignorant and selfish do you have to be to fight the person that agrees with you on many issues while happily seeing Trump getting reelected so that he can get 2 or 3 more SC judges.

[PubliusEnigma]

40. They greatly overestimate both their numbers and influence.

But, boy, can they yell!

[mcar]

41. Any Sanders supporter who goes

Bernie or Bust after the last 3 years is not a Democrat, a Progressive, a Liberal, or anything but a Republican troll or a Russian bot.

[betsuni]

42. The residue.

[aikoaiko]

43. No one gets all the runner up candidates' votes

It's not how it works -- never has. Remember the Clinton supporters who forms PUMA - Party Unity My Ass.

[helpisontheway]

45. The traitors get what they deserve. If they cause Trump to be re-elected

I hope his policies personally affect each of them the most.

[NCProgressive]

46. Did all 9 members of the Gravel institute support this decision?

[Vivienne235729]

48. Is this bernie bro or russian bro? Hmmmmm...

[unitedwethrive]

49. The sooner BS drops out, the sooner the reprograming of his supporters can begin.

Part of the reason for the long lasting divisions in 2016 was the fact that BS hung on so long after the 'writing was on the wall'.

[BidenBacker]

50. Some of these Sanders supporters

are starting to remind me of Benito Mussolini.

He started off politics as a diehard left-wing socialist but couldn't make any headway and got himself expelled from the party so he did a total 180 and ended up as a full-blown right-wing fascist. Had much more success then...right up until the time his fellow Italian citizens shot him and hung him upside down for all to see and have themselves a good ol' time throwing stones at his corpse.

Gonna start calling these diehard Bernie Bros the Mussolini Minions.

[BlueMTexpat]

51. Bernie Bros

can all FOAD and the world would be a better place.

IMO, there is little difference between them and Trump Magats.

[zaj]

52. Ummm... Unite the party but don't lose sleep over these people

Biden needs to respect Bernie, his supporters, the issues and do what he can to unite them with the core of the party. But these people aren't going to ever join this campaign. Focus on what can succeed.

[33taw]

53. I hope they listen to Bernie.

[Indykatie]

54. Their Threats Wouldn't Ring So Hollow if Bernie Wasn't Doing So Poorly

They have a candidate who has a ceiling of 35% and they want to threaten the party if Bernie isn't given the nomination? Clearly these idiots are not really invested in winning. They just want to fight with the "establishment". There's no appeasing this segment of Bernie's campaign and I don't think we should bend over backwards to try. They will never negotiate in good faith.

[ThisIsNotPossible]

55. "..or busters" are essentially saying Trump is doing a bang-up job of managing this Coronavirus

and that his policies in general are far superior to Biden's. In a binary contest - and in practice it is absolutely binary, because only one of two candidates can win - this is the only rational conclusion one can reach, which leads me to the overwhelming certainty that this was never really about Sanders' policy offerings, but a cult of personality. The desire to feel part of a particular group or “movement”.

[beachbumbob]

56. pay no attention to the noise from the peanut gallery, childern often throw temper tantrums

[Midnight Writer]

59. OMG! We've lost the Gravel voters!

[Yavin4]

60. If you can easily switch from Bernie to Trump, then you are Trump supporter who just wants to sow

chaos in the Democratic party. There are a lot of undercover Trump supporters out there. Folks who like the tax cuts but don't want to be associated with the Trump stupidity nor with other Trump supporters.

So, you say you're with Bernie to gain clout with his "cool" supporters while damaging the Democratic party.