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Tom Rinaldo

(22,912 posts)
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 12:39 PM Mar 2020

Regarding "Bernie Being Out" All campaigns, winning or losing, want to control their own messaging.

No campaign spokesperson can get out ahead of what the candidate himself is ready to officially state under circumstances, time and place, of that candidate's choosing. I'm sure the media is burning up the phone lines into the Sanders campaign seeking confirmation of rumors that he plans to suspend his campaign. A campaign only officially suspends when a candidate officially suspends it, and any candidate deserves the right to present that decision to the public at a time and in a setting and context that seems right to them. The reply the media is getting to these inquiries should be expected.

Nothing will officially change from the last "reassessing" statement issued by Sanders this morning until the next one is ready, period. I would be shocked if any campaign "suspended" prior to at least the simple courtesy of discussions with key supporters first. No surprise here. Patience, and stay tuned...

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Regarding "Bernie Being Out" All campaigns, winning or losing, want to control their own messaging. (Original Post) Tom Rinaldo Mar 2020 OP
I don't care about his messaging as long he says he is out and supports Biden. boston bean Mar 2020 #1
Understood. But you do care about him bringing the vast majority of his supporters along Tom Rinaldo Mar 2020 #3
You make an excellent point Tom. Blue_true Mar 2020 #8
Does he? Will he? It remains to be seen. NurseJackie Mar 2020 #14
We are IN crisis. We should not have to stroke his ego to get that done. This is ridiculous. LizBeth Mar 2020 #17
Willing To Wait For the Funeral Tocsin, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #2
If we need unity among us now to restore our Democracy, and I believe that we do Tom Rinaldo Mar 2020 #4
Some People, Sir, Just Do Not Work And Play Well With Others The Magistrate Mar 2020 #5
I know we disagree on this, and I far prefer agreeing with you to not Tom Rinaldo Mar 2020 #6
I Wish I Could Feel I Was Wrong, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #7
I have nothing further to add to my earlier post Tom Rinaldo Mar 2020 #9
My Best To You As Well, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #11
Actually Tom, we have the very same end goals in mind, for every issue. Blue_true Mar 2020 #10
I strongly believe in this, for the overwhelming majority of us in the overwhelming.... Tom Rinaldo Mar 2020 #12
He won't be in the same position this time. LisaM Mar 2020 #26
He May Not Quite Notice, Ma'am The Magistrate Mar 2020 #28
NO DONATION BUTTON Gothmog Mar 2020 #13
No one really cares what Sanders wants. He lost. Voters spoke. We are in a crisis. Forget the ego. LizBeth Mar 2020 #15
See post #3 n/t Tom Rinaldo Mar 2020 #16
What are you talking about? musicblind Mar 2020 #20
Pete, Amy, Elizabeth, Andrew, and Tom have gotten behind Biden. Sanders has not. Sanders is still at LizBeth Mar 2020 #21
They all stayed in beyond the point of their candidacies still being viable Tom Rinaldo Mar 2020 #24
Right. Sanders is not viable. Being in just hurts Dems. Sanders lost. Time to step out. Support LizBeth Mar 2020 #25
The candidate might consider frazzled Mar 2020 #18
"The candidate" is in the Senate now working on the good of the nation Tom Rinaldo Mar 2020 #19
I'm happy if it's a few days, or even a week frazzled Mar 2020 #22
A very fair response Tom Rinaldo Mar 2020 #23
Hey Everyone ...give the guy a break... Pachamama Mar 2020 #27
 

boston bean

(36,220 posts)
1. I don't care about his messaging as long he says he is out and supports Biden.
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 12:43 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Tom Rinaldo

(22,912 posts)
3. Understood. But you do care about him bringing the vast majority of his supporters along
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 12:48 PM
Mar 2020

with him when he does, I would imagine. Or at least trying to. I think it fair to expect Bernie to make that effort, but it is easier said then done, and how he manages his eventual exit, who he talks to first and how his suspension is ultimately framed, plays into that.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
8. You make an excellent point Tom.
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 01:14 PM
Mar 2020

Only Bernie can bring his supporters down from the place they are at now, and get them to fully support Biden. Some Bernie supporters will naturally support Biden without Bernie asking them to, but there are others that he needs to talk to and commensurate with before they can move on.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
14. Does he? Will he? It remains to be seen.
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 01:35 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
17. We are IN crisis. We should not have to stroke his ego to get that done. This is ridiculous.
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 04:15 PM
Mar 2020

Sanders needs to get behind Biden absolutely and completely RIGHT now. Lives depend on it. Without something in return for doing what is right.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

The Magistrate

(95,244 posts)
2. Willing To Wait For the Funeral Tocsin, Sir
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 12:45 PM
Mar 2020

But the cessation must be absolute and irrevocable, and the man cannot have any further role. He simply cannot be trusted not to play false.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Tom Rinaldo

(22,912 posts)
4. If we need unity among us now to restore our Democracy, and I believe that we do
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 12:51 PM
Mar 2020

none of us should be dictating what if any role a man with the support of tens of millions of anti-Trunp Americans can or should play moving forward, with the possible exception of Joe Biden.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

The Magistrate

(95,244 posts)
5. Some People, Sir, Just Do Not Work And Play Well With Others
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 12:58 PM
Mar 2020

Sanders is one such. The pathetic 'support' he offered in 2016, after doing his utmost to disrupt the convention, is not something worth having, and he cannot be trusted to do any better a second time around. Past performance, as they say, is the best predictor of future behavior.

"You will not rise to the occasion. You will default to your level of training."

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Tom Rinaldo

(22,912 posts)
6. I know we disagree on this, and I far prefer agreeing with you to not
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 01:05 PM
Mar 2020

but I find your expression of these sentiments to not be very helpful. But it is your view and it is one not unique to you. You may find my sentiments to not be very helpful either. Yet we remain committed together to the same end, electing Joe Biden President in November, and that far outweighs any differences we might have regarding Bernie Sanders. And so, respectfully, I agree to disagree where we disagree, and to fight together for what unites us.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

The Magistrate

(95,244 posts)
7. I Wish I Could Feel I Was Wrong, Sir
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 01:13 PM
Mar 2020

And I agree we are both of us committed to the same goal: just desserts for the traitor occupying our White House, and a Democratic Congress to provide legislation our country desperately needs. I agree too that of the available choices Mr. Biden is the best vehicle for this, and I have confidence he will be able to.

But I will not submit to the blackmail and extortion Sanders trades in. You can't let a man have two chances at things like that. At the second attempt, he must pay for both.

"You only get two mistakes, and usually your second is somebody remembers your first."

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Tom Rinaldo

(22,912 posts)
9. I have nothing further to add to my earlier post
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 01:17 PM
Mar 2020

So I will simply wish you well, and our nation the chance for a better tomorrow under President Joe Biden.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

The Magistrate

(95,244 posts)
11. My Best To You As Well, Sir
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 01:20 PM
Mar 2020

A pleasure to cross words with you.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
10. Actually Tom, we have the very same end goals in mind, for every issue.
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 01:19 PM
Mar 2020

Our disagreement has been about the best way to get to a near-ideal state (perfection is never, ever achieved and only those bond to fail ever even try to achieve it).

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Tom Rinaldo

(22,912 posts)
12. I strongly believe in this, for the overwhelming majority of us in the overwhelming....
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 01:22 PM
Mar 2020

majority of cases. You and I are seeing this the same

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LisaM

(27,800 posts)
26. He won't be in the same position this time.
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 08:02 PM
Mar 2020

There are no functioning campaign events. We are in the crisis of our lives. Sanders has the opportunity to gracefully exit, and devote his talents to crafting a response to the pandemic. He will not be asked in the months leading up to the convention to do much, because there won't be the same sort of things to do.

Circumstances hand us strange opportunities. This is his. Will he take it? I guess we'll find out. By the time the convention comes, in whatever form it takes, the primaries will be in our rear view mirror.

We need to come together like never before, and he should bend his considerable platform to its fullest to help us through this.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

The Magistrate

(95,244 posts)
28. He May Not Quite Notice, Ma'am
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 08:13 PM
Mar 2020

Singularity of focus can distort perception, so that people notice only what they want to be so. I am not sanguine about Sanders' character. Much that he is praised for, unbending consistency over the years in particular, strikes me more as serious flaw than sterling attribute. I do not expect him to rise to the occasion. I will not complain if this expectation does not prove out, certainly.

"You will not rise to the occasion. You will default to your level of training."

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
15. No one really cares what Sanders wants. He lost. Voters spoke. We are in a crisis. Forget the ego.
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 03:27 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

musicblind

(4,484 posts)
20. What are you talking about?
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 04:37 PM
Mar 2020

Win or lose he is still a person.

He matters.

He got a consistent 20% to 30%. His opinions matter just as much as Pete, Amy, Elizabeth, Andrew, and Tom. I loved Pete Buttigieg. I hope you wouldn't say his wants don't matter. Losing a primary doesn't mean you have lost anything other than a primary. The losing campaigns still have a valuable autonomous voice in the Democratic Party and our progressive future. That goes for everyone.

He is assessing. He deserves that right just as much as Warren or anyone else did. He poured his heart into this. He is in the midst of doing the most painful thing any candidate can do. Let him have the time to do it.

Remember, he isn't his supporters on twitter, and his supporters on twitter, while awful, are not representative of the whole.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
21. Pete, Amy, Elizabeth, Andrew, and Tom have gotten behind Biden. Sanders has not. Sanders is still at
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 04:55 PM
Mar 2020

the point of putting his ego over people's lives. You think that matters? I do not.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Tom Rinaldo

(22,912 posts)
24. They all stayed in beyond the point of their candidacies still being viable
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 07:49 PM
Mar 2020

And if I am not mistaken all, or almost all of them, did not withdraw the literal day after a disappointing primary showing (Tom might have). And none of them had to be in DC the next day to work on crisis legislation.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
25. Right. Sanders is not viable. Being in just hurts Dems. Sanders lost. Time to step out. Support
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 07:55 PM
Mar 2020

Biden 100%.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
18. The candidate might consider
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 04:21 PM
Mar 2020

thinking more about the good of the nation than the good of his messaging

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Tom Rinaldo

(22,912 posts)
19. "The candidate" is in the Senate now working on the good of the nation
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 04:32 PM
Mar 2020

The public's attention is on the same issue that all Senators are addressing. It will make no lasting negative difference whatsoever if Sanders takes a few days to touch bases with his core allies and supporters before announcing the results of his campaign reassessment. But going about it in a manner respectful to those who have devoted years to his cause could help smooth the transition to almost all of them solidly backing Biden. There is some possible upside and essentially no downside to Sanders taking a few days to work this through with his supporters.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
22. I'm happy if it's a few days, or even a week
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 05:30 PM
Mar 2020

Just not “ until all the primaries are done” or “until the convention.” Forgive us if we worry about that, but it’s happened before.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Tom Rinaldo

(22,912 posts)
23. A very fair response
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 07:45 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Pachamama

(16,886 posts)
27. Hey Everyone ...give the guy a break...
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 08:04 PM
Mar 2020

He is busy dealing with a Fucking global Crisis!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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