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[Dopers_Greed]

1. It will be very difficult for either candidate to get their messaging out

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If we aren't careful, this plague has sealed Trump's victory

[BadgerMom]

8. I disagree.

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Trump’s inability to lead or help is apparent now. It will be tragically obvious in a very short time. In this already unsettling time, it’s difficult to read doom and gloom predictions, especially without citing reasons.

[LakeArenal]

105. Please specify the "he". Trump not Joe

[ZZenith]

9. Yeah, right.

[Cha]

12. No it hasn't "sealed" anything.. your doom and gloom

is not appreciated.

[Cha]

15. The Voters came out for Joe Biden in a life

threatening Pandemic Scare.. They want trump the fuck out.

[ucrdem]

16. Wait until the paychecks stop arriving.

This is going to kill the economy and that was Trump's calling card. He's history come November.

[BidenBacker]

22. Rule #1 for Snake Oil Salesmen

YOU CAN'T BULLSHIT A VIRUS

[Cha]

25. +1!!!

[ucrdem]

26. I second that emotion.

Trump's flimflammery at his virus press conferences is startling. Maybe his fans will dig it but to anyone but a true believer it's scary.

[Dopers_Greed]

23. I toned down the wording in my post

All I'm saying is, we need to be very careful. Anything can happen at this point.

[RandySF]

2. This is a Republican talking point going around social media.

[Cha]

14. Sure as hell is.

[W_HAMILTON]

19. I've seen it from more of the Bernie Bro types than I have Republicans.

Hell, come to think of it, most of the deplorableness I've encountered online lately has been almost exclusively from the Bernie Bros...

[Paka]

29. I've been attacked by many "Biden Bros."

I think it mostly depends on who you support who you get attacked by.

[Hekate]

32. Really? Did they throw statistics at you?

That can really hurt.

[Paka]

35. No statistics.

Just lots of hateful accusations. I was a microbiologist and worked in research. I understand statistics. Truth does not hurt.

[BidenBacker]

48. I have to admit

It's kind of a pretty virus. But I would much rather it have been a harmless flower than the deadly little buggers you used to work with.

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1237473076415168513/WeMgirmY?format=jpg&name=small

[erlewyne]

54. It is a pleasure to read an opposing point of view.

And, truth does hurt and is often taken personal.
Thank you Paka for expressing your view.

[Paka]

63. Thank you for your kind words.

Truth to those of us with an open mind who are willing to accept it is not automatically hurtful. As a resurcher I do not deny truth. I do resent hateful attacks.

[Aquaria]

59. You'd never know it from the berner whining about how mean everyone is to them.

[W_HAMILTON]

40. LOL

[W_HAMILTON]

42. The post in reference here is about Bernie Bro types attacking the presumptive Democratic nominee.

[Paka]

43. And so I'm not allowed to offer my experience?

[femmedem]

44. Posters are proving your point.

Please accept a hug from a Biden supporter.

[Paka]

45. Thank you for that hug.

You are the very type of Biden supporter that will help bring unity. He needs more of you.

[W_HAMILTON]

49. You are free to do what you want, but it is irrelevant to the topic at hand.

But thank you for your brave story about being personally attacked on the internet. It is one that is shared by, well, everyone that has ever used the internet.

[Paka]

51. Unfortunately, that is very true.

However, many respectful Bernie supporters have faced a barrage of hostility for those few who are responsible for the attacks. I am sure it applies across the board.

[Aquaria]

60. Where are the respectful ones?

Because every single time anyone makes even the slightest criticism of BS, there's always the same pack of BSers jumping in to accuse that person of attacking and being mean and hateful and hostile, even when they're not.

And that kind of thin-skinned disingenuousness is not respectful at all.

Maybe you need to consider that these "respectful" BSers are getting back exactly what they give.

[Paka]

66. I have in every instance been respectful.

At 79 years of age I have learned not to be thin skinned. Constructive criticism is one thing. Hateful attacks are an entirely differnt commodity.

[Dorian Gray]

62. That sucks

I'm sorry you've experienced that. I know that Biden folks should know what it's like to be attacked and decide to work with the Bernie voters to defeat Trump.

Biden will be the nominee. That's looking pretty obvious at this point. But I really hope that Biden utilizes Bernie and his base here. Bernie has given rise to support for some very necessary changes to the way we run our economy. We need to have a national discussion about workers/minimum wage. Especially for the hourly wage workers who are putting their lives on the line right now. And Teachers, who have been forced to upend their entire lives to make remote learning work.

Also, we should be utilizing his knowledge in making a universal healthcare system a reality. How to implement changes, garner support from the populace, etc. Because it needs to be done, even if just incrementally.

I want to work with people who are passionate about that. I want to move forward, say goodby to DJT forever, and have hope for our children's future. ENOUGH of this!

[Paka]

71. You do need to tell your guy not to veto M4A if it miraculously does reach his desk.

Universal health care is possibly my number one issue. I had the good fortune when I was young living in France to experience what it is like. Now in retirement, even though I qualify for Medicare, my pension is so low I can't afford it so I live in Thailand where I have access to afrfordable care.

[dansolo]

81. It won't reach his desk

There is absolutely zero chance of any M4A bill to ever pass. M4A can't be an unfunded mandate, which means that ALL of the tax increases would need to be included, or passed prior, before it could be considered. Get back to me when that happens.

[W_HAMILTON]

70. Unfortunately, you reap what you sow.

Even if you haven't personally viciously attacked other Democratic candidates like a sizable contingent of your fellow Sanders supporters have, I can see why there would be blowback. I guess I could give you the same advice that the Bernie Bros were giving to us when we were trying to warn about the evils of a potential Trump administration and trying to do all we could to GOTV for the Democratic nominee: "clean up your own house first."

If I see a Biden supporter acting out in the ways you say, I will gladly call them out on it. You should do the same for your fellow Sanders supporters, although I imagine you won't find all that many here on this site since it's basically against the terms of service here to attack Democrats and the Democratic Party the way they constantly do...

[Paka]

73. All of the Bernie supporters that I know...

are as respectful as I try to be. They are passionate, like me, but kind and caring folks who do not throw around nasty attacks. If I encounter any one misbehaving, I do call them out on it, but it has only been a rare occurance. Did it ever occur to you that maybe the disrespectful ones were not true Sanders' supporters but weirdos trying to cause dissension? I believe that sort of nonsense happens on all sides. That's the trouble with the internet and the anonymity therein. Some of the worst hostility I've face as a Bernie supporter has been on DU. I was the victim a couple of times of a tag team trying to goad me into saying something that they could alert on. I came out okay, but it was very ugly.

[ucrdem]

74. The problem is that Sanders himself traffics in nasty attacks.

Perhaps you weren't around during Obama years but the vitriol and insulting language he showered daily on Barack Obama were appalling. We frequently discussed his habit of dog whistling here and his messaging is often questionable in that department. And his entire candidacy is founded on his unrelenting opposition to the ACA or Obamacare as it is often called. So I disagree on the purity of his motives.

[W_HAMILTON]

110. Some of the most disrespectul ones, Sanders *hired* himself and brought them into his campaign.

So, no, that is no excuse. There is no plausible deniability here.

[Aquaria]

58. Please.

Countering falsehoods and hateful rhetoric with facts isn't an attack.

It's standing up for the truth.

[zonkers]

98. Yup.

[sop]

76. Republicans were saying the same thing about the Impeachment hearings in the House,

then before the Senate trial. They predicted the whole thing would backfire for Democrats and Trump would rise in the polls. That was BS.

[comradebillyboy]

99. No, this is a Sanders campaign orchestrated smear

being spread by BriBri , Sirota and the usual suspects.

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

3. Fat Donnie is doing what he does best -- suck all the oxygen out of the air.

The daily briefings, on-air phone calls, tweet-tweet-tweet. There's no room for anyone else to get word in sideways. It's just Trump vomiting his lies nonstop.

The Dems need to come up with a positive message to keep in the game, otherwise, Trump is going to get reelected by default.

You just know the Repugs are going to use the crisis to expand their voter suppression efforts.

[sop]

79. Bush's media response after Katrina certainly didn't help his polls numbers.

If I recall, in the immediate aftermath of the storm there were Bush administration officials all over media outlets, claiming the president was doing everything in his power to help survivors, and Bush himself was doing pressers. It helped him at first. Weeks/months later, after the truth came out, revealing Bush's incompetence and lack of concern, the public turned against him.

I suspect the same thing will happen now. Trump's pressers are nothing but propaganda and self-aggrandizement. It might help him in the short run, but as this crisis unfolds, and Americans gain a clearer picture of what's really going on, Trump will be politically damaged.

[applegrove]

4. Biden is going to do coronavirus pressers. Don't know if they will be by phone

or on the tv.

[ucrdem]

5. I voted to leave this

but it's pretty silly. I'll just say that he's where he needs to be. Can't say the same for Sanders unless he's back in DC finally.

[elleng]

6. Your wishes won't come true, fortunately.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287680918

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213148076

[Cha]

11. Thanks for that, ellen.

[elleng]

108. YVW, Cha;

starting to feel strongly about him now, note our 'old' Biden group, https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1110

Not changing my designation here, as concerned about my 'jinx' history.

[Cha]

7. Joe Biden has Not Disappeared .. that's just your talking point.

Link to tweet

[LakeArenal]

107. Talking points and click bait.

That’s how some run.

Funny how Biden supporters are fine with Joe. It’s others still trying to diminish him in our solidly for Joe eyes.

Didn’t work when Joe (only) appeared to be down. Now we are totally immune to the fake concern about where Joe “is”.

[Tarheel_Dem]

10. You seem "concerned".

[rwheeler31]

13. The Biden campaign has plans to show

how they would handle this crisis.

[Thekaspervote]

17. Bernie back in VT having music videos and a stump speech..should Be doing his job in the senate

If you aren’t seeing Joe YOU AREN’T LOOKING!! Typical bernie bro behavior and comment.
Why do you fall for this kind of crap?

[ucrdem]

18. Yeah Sanders going home while the Senate is in emergency session doesn't look good at all.

Unless he's planning to abdicate and spend his remaining years fundraising for charitable causes, which isn't a bad idea.

[cwydro]

47. I thought Bernie was "fighting a global crisis."

Isn’t that what he shouted at that reporter?

[onetexan]

20. Troll nonsense

[Cha]

21. lol

[onetexan]

72. Sometimes ya just gotta call it what it is

[ucrdem]

24. One more point: Biden doesn't really need to campaign at the moment.

He's got all future primaries in the bag, no serious campaigning necessary, and he can't start the general campaign until Bernie concedes. So he's keeping as a high a profile as he needs to.

[Thekaspervote]

27. Absolutely!

[delisen]

30. He does not need to wait for concession to address the issues

Or to go after Trump or Russian involvement
.
Right now the democratic governors are filling the void

Biden needs to step up now.

[ucrdem]

31. He's not a governor, he's not a senator, he's not even the Democratic candidate thanks to Bernie

He could take the reins like Alexander Haig but he has no authority at the moment and no platform other than as a primary contender. He also needs to line up huge gobs of money and get a national campaign ready to launch and that means lots of hiring and planning.
But within those constraints he's doing plenty.

[Cha]

34. And yet still.. Joe Biden has "Stepped UP".. please see

post #33.

Some just haven't done their homework.

[ucrdem]

37. Yep he's sewing up the future while he works on the present.

GOP types hate that.

[Cha]

33. Joe Biden Has "Stepped UP".. you just Don't know about it &

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neither does the OP.

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[ucrdem]

36. And he gave a special coronavirus speech 2 weeks ago

and he addressed the issue personally à la FDR in his victory speech on Tuesday.

[Cha]

38. Yes, Biden has been ahead of the curve on this.. and

is ON IT.

That's why I hate seeing posts like that.. that says he's not. It's Wrong.

[treestar]

94. Why do you think the media is covering the governors

and not the Democratic Primary? Geez. Would they normally be covering governors?

By November, no one will remember March, so it's good not to give the right-wingers stuff they can use.

[Hekate]

28. Dear "Undecided" (cough): How do you imagine Biden or any other Dem getting a free presser a day?

Which is what Donald "Clusterfck" Trump has at his disposal.

Please share.

[stonecutter357]

39. trump is a racist pig !

[DarthDem]

41. Interesting posting history

Thanks for your concern.

[Codeine]

46. Another patented Legends303 hit-and-run post.

You never fail to disappoint, sir.

[SidDithers]

100. +1...nt

Sid

[betsuni]

50. Disappeared?

[pnwmom]

52. Not true. You haven't been paying attention.

He's had to change his whole campaign from rally and meeting based to a virtual campaign. That wouldn't be quick and easy in the best of circumstances, much less now.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/biden-trashes-trump-over-coronavirus-response-step-do-your-job-n1165186

Joe Biden, the 2020 Democratic front-runner, slammed President Donald Trump over his handling of the coronavirus pandemic Friday, accusing him of being “behind the curve through his whole response.”

Biden, speaking on a conference call with reporters, offered a series of blunt missives for Trump, and criticized him for repeatedly providing the American people with misinformation about the virus.

“Step up and do your job, Mr. President,” Biden said.

“In times of crisis, the American people deserve a president who tells them the truth,” Biden said. “Unfortunately, President Trump has not been that president.”

“People are scared. They’re worried. They don’t know quite what to do," he added. “He has been behind the curve throughout this whole response."

SNIP

https://slate.com/culture/2020/03/joe-biden-d-nice-dance-party-thumbs-up-emoji.html

On Friday, Biden spoke to reporters from his home in Delaware, explaining that he’d been keeping radio silence while his staff tackled the challenging technical problem of setting up higher-quality cameras and video conferencing equipment. “We’ve hired a professional team to do that now,” Biden told reporters. “And excuse the expression: That’s a little above my pay grade.” But Biden promised that soon he would be “in daily or at least significant contact with the American people,” to provide a counterweight to Donald Trump’s daily torrent of lies and misinformation.

Biden is planning to begin regular coronavirus briefings on Monday, assuming his staff can figure out how to crank the camera. But on Saturday, the age of “daily or at least significant contact with the American people” began. DJ Derrick Jones, better known as D-Nice, hosted a “social distancing dance party” on Instagram, playing classic hip-hop and R&B for hours as musicians like John Legend and Common made guest appearances and other celebrities, including Oprah Winfrey and Michelle Obama, stopped by to check out the music. One of those celebrities was Joe Biden:

Link to tweet

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[Gothmog]

53. Really?

Link to tweet

[DIVINEprividence]

55. Biden and Democrats have to think outside the box

Sanders is the one who has disappeared. He lost in landslide fashion. The nature of this catastrophe has drowned out everything else and Trump can go on TV and spout off whenever he wants. You also can’t have rallies or engage with people on a personal one on one level. Last thing we need is for Biden to get sick or anyone else. Biden also has to be careful not going too far in a national crisis as loathsome as Trump is, Biden can’t be seen as undermining the recovery even though he has to also hammer this target rich orange manbaby. This is an unprecedented situation and although I disagree with the post and think Biden has been active we also need to acknowledge this new reality and think outside the box and conduct a campaign in unprecedented ways. Biden doing daily briefings, ads, virtual town halls or good steps but can more be done. Sure. I have a couple ideas. Biden should be going on every talk show and interview he can. He could do a series of conversation/interview with experts in a relevant field like Obama’s Ebola Czar to help educate the public and turn them into short digestible videos. He could do a daily series of interviews with everyday Americans who are suffering from this and offer them compassion, understanding, advice and explain how he wants to help that person. Please feel free to add constructive suggestions. There are a lot of bright creative people here. But I think we all have to now be political vigilantes and engage social media in every level to do the attack dog stuff and echoe chamber what the campaign is doing.

[cwydro]

56. Biden is just fine, thank you.

Where have you gone?

[Aquaria]

57. I think your expectations are too high.

Primaries that are essentially over sort of go moribund in the media until the convention, as it is, but circumstances this time are quite different from the norm.

What do you expect him to do regarding appearances? He can't go out in public to do the usual campaign events AND set a good example for how to deal with COVID-19. Being more visible in public would be not only grossly irresponsible, but also dangerous for someone his age.

His ideas for how to deal with COVID-19 were so good that Dolt45 stole some of them, and all of the media noticed it.

He totally owned the news coverage from Tuesday afternoon through Wednesday morning with his big wins in Arizona, Florida and Illinois. He gave one of the finest victory speeches that we've seen in a long time that won universal praise. Did you not see it?

We know FROM HIM that he's meeting with experts to devise a COVID-19 plan that gets the country healthy and back on its feet.

Believe it or not, that's far from a bad media week. Every candidate should have a week full of win like that.

[Raven123]

61. "Steal the spotlight?" The coronavirus pandemic did that already

We are still on the ascent of this disease in the USA. Approval ratings at this time are irrelevant, but IMO reflect relief that he at least acknowledges the existence of a problem. Frankly, I don’t give a darn about spotlights. As people get sick, cannot get care, and die, reality will set in.

[BidenBacker]

64. Trumptards won't get it

until they have to start wiping their asses with their MAGA caps.

[PubliusEnigma]

65. Bernie lost. Biden is the Nominee. You need to accept this.

Denial ain't just a River in Egypt.

[Skittles]

67. people are giving TRUMP high marks?

[Raster]

68. demonstrating yet again...

...not all trolls live under bridges.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

69. No he has not. You haven't been paying attention. Stop pushing a moribund candidacy. . . . nt

[NurseJackie]

75. Horseshit.

Stop it.

[brewens]

77. Sounds to me like Joe's on it, and I was a Bernie supporter. It's taking a little time to

adjust to things now that all the events can't go on. Joe's planned responses to Trump's Sycophant Circus sound great.

Joe should get the most respected expert on pandemics he can to be his Dr. Fauci. When Joe's expert speaks, he should address any questions on the response to Fauci.

[Nikki28]

78. I agree

I was even hoping Biden have press conferences like Cuomo has been doing for NY on the hour.
I would not let this time destroy all the last delegates racked in. Come on Joe? Get out there daily and see how much better you will do and how prepared. Honestly, i will take a joint daily with him and Bernie and Liz, Amy if it will get this orange lying sack of fat off the air.
I would also like to see Bill Mohair, Steven C. all them start having a truth sessions to combat the liar n chief.

[Hav]

82. Is this a joke?

Biden did criticize Trump but in a crisis it has to be constructive and not seen as an exploitation. But it's possible you guys don't realize that. That's what happens when you are living in a bubble and when you don't care what Biden actually does and what his policy proposals are in contrast to the distorted view you have of him.

And btw, Biden has been a "forceful critic" of Trump all along because he realizes the danger. BS and his staff of Dem haters on the other side seemed to have campaigned more against the Democratic Party and as a result, a part of his followers are just fine with seeing Trump getting reelected.

[dansolo]

84. Stop this bullshit, now!

Andrew Cuomo is a sitting Governor. He has to be directly involved with his state's response. Are you proposing that he drop everything and start campaigning for president? You don't hear Biden's criticism because you are intentionally not looking.

[Todd79]

85. Cuomo and Biden are very close friends

Cuomo might have been Biden’s first official endorsement this cycle. It was well before Biden officially entered the race if I remember correctly.

[padah513]

87. Looks like another one of the radicals have landed

Morale must be pretty low over there in the JP's.

[Scurrilous]

83. This was already done this week. Biden was found right in front of you if you bother to look.

Also done before the NH primary.

Next!

[MineralMan]

88. No, he has not disappeared.

That's a right-wing concept. How do you keep track of news? Do you stay current on everything? Biden has not disappeared at all. Perhaps you'd like it if he did.

[Skya Rhen]

89. You wish. Biden's not going anywhere and he will be your President. Deal with it.

[vercetti2021]

90. Stop this shit

I'm so sick of your doom and gloom posts at this point I'm blocking you

[IluvPitties]

91. Thia is Fox News garbage!

Why are you posting this here?

[George II]

92. You've obviously missed what Biden is doing. On the other hand, Sanders is a sitting Senator....

....he hasn't been in Washington since sometime on Wednesday afternoon.

[treestar]

95. Where he was dealing with a fucking global crisis

I suppose he is now doing that from VT?

At Bernie's age, he has to stay home.

[treestar]

93. From the media, maybe as has Bernie

The media is not focused on the primary now.

[Andy823]

96. Another "post and run"

pile of BS.

[zonkers]

97. True. And where's the beef, Joe. Get on TV! Stream. Something. NO press releases. Talk to us.

[Gothmog]

102. Here is another great Biden ad

Link to tweet

[Me.]

103. Is It Him Or You?

He's been plenty busy

https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-biden-trump-20200321-xkxykml4rngkzhnuqrvryh4v3q-story.html

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/coronavirus-upends-2020-race-biden-seeks-offers-possible-080451017--abc-news-topstories.html

https://slate.com/culture/2020/03/joe-biden-d-nice-dance-party-thumbs-up-emoji.html

“Still, if you’re curious, Politico tells us about Biden’s upcoming plans:Joe Biden is planning a regular shadow briefing on coronavirus to start as early as Monday to show how he would handle the crisis and address what he calls the lies and failures of President Trump. Biden gave a preview of what’s to come in a conference call with reporters Friday, where he listed a litany of false and misleading statements from Trump, who has been holding regular White House press conferences concerning coronavirus preparedness and response that have been broadcast live on all major networks.

Biden made his comments from his home in Wilmington, Delaware, where he has been holed up for more than a week in adherence with Centers for Disease Control guidelines that urge people to practice social distancing.
Immediately after the initial onset of the crisis, Biden also held his fire against the president out of concern it would look too political — an accusation leveled at him anyway by Trump campaign manager Brad Parscale, who said that “Biden will take attention from real updates Americans should know just to score political points.” Ever since his commanding victories Tuesday against Bernie Sanders in Florida, Illinois and Arizona, Biden has made no public appearances or statements. Instead, he said, he has been spending time privately talking to health officials, businesses, governors and members of Congress.

To recap: Biden—who, again, has been out of the public eye for only three days—is (a) following CDC guidelines, (b) getting briefed privately by health officials and members of Congress so that he knows what he’s talking about before he opens his mouth, and (c) making plans to hold regular coronavirus briefings.

This all sounds pretty reasonable to me. I very much doubt that Biden has lost anything by staying quiet for a few days in March.”

https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2020/03/theres-no-reason-to-worry-about-joe-biden-being-mia-for-a-few-days/

[MineralMan]

104. His detractors, on the other hand, seem to have reappeared.

Odd, that...

[samnsara]

106. i see, hear, or read a statement put out by Joe almost daily..

[Politicub]

109. Thank you for your concern. You are concerned with many things, it seems.

I hope you find solace for all of your concerns on DU.