A message for Biden opponents

[IluvPitties]

Don't come here trying to disrupt or instill fear in us by parroting or promoting right-wing talking points about our nominee. Either you are with Biden or with Trump, and by repeating right-wing crap, you know very well where you are standing!

[still_one]

1. Thank-you for this

[William769]

2. Kick & highly recommended.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287677763

[TomCADem]

49. Yet, We Have Bernie Supporters Hoping That Something Might Happen to Biden...

... as a reason why Bernie should not drop out. This is reminiscent of hopes that the DOJ would indict Hillary Clinton and it misunderstands the nominating process. Yet, this is another BS/Right Wing/Russian talking point designed to prolong the primaries and help Trump.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=681009

He should stay in and considering the uncertain times we are living in secure his place if Biden were unable to continue to the general election. Staying in to the convention is the correct and pragmatic move.

[Docreed2003]

54. They did the same shit in '16 Tom..know you know that, it's just so damn infuriating

[Cha]

57. That sounds sooo Damn Familiar!

[Legends303]

3. Last time I checked primaries are still going

Until Sanders has dropped out. When we criticize Biden it’s to help him not hurt him.

[Walleye]

4. How?

[justhanginon]

5. Pure unadulterated BULLSHIT!

[Prosper]

52. Sounds like Trump himself. We are at the point where no criticism

should be allowed. Supporting Biden 200% and build unity and a solid front. Trump is a very dangerous and formidable threat to win. At this point in time we need to show a strong party, unity and strength. We already have the Democratic vote. Now we need to show our strength and conviction to get the undecided and independent vote. No reason to show anything but support for the working class at this point. Trump danced into the presidency with a lot of promises. Now we need to show we have the support and conviction to work for the people. Trump has exposed himself as having no use for anything that doesn’t benefit him.

[TwilightZone]

6. "When we criticize Biden it's to help him not hurt him."

This is one of the funniest things I've ever read on DU.

[WheelWalker]

8. Take a powder.

[zonkers]

14. This.

[MineralMan]

15. Ah, the old "I'm only punishing you for your own good" speech, eh?

Last time I checked, that was bullshit. It still is.

[ashredux]

19. Bull Shit

[Demsrule86]

21. It doesn't help him ...it hurts him so you all should stop now...criticizing our nominee is wrong.

[The Magistrate]

25. There Is Only One Candidate, Sir

The Democratic nominee for President, and a 'new left' survival out at best to replicate the '68. The man has done this before, he has form.




"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

[NCProgressive]

30. Sanders is finished already

caput, finito, finis

Your attempts to criticize and smear Biden are very transparent and they are helping Trump's cause and Trump's cause ONLY.

[showblue22]

33. Sen. Sanders can stay on all he wants.

He still doesn't control whether or not the primaries are over. Math does.

They're over. It's all vanity now.

[Eliot Rosewater]

35. I am not being snark, I have a question...which criticism of Joe that you

would believe is legitimate are you talking about?

I assume you will say SS or something not sure...

Then what is it YOU know that HE doesnt about how to deal with that? Be specific please.

If your criticism is meant to instruct him, what is it?

I could criticize him on many thing because he is not perfect, nobody is, but he KNOWS what I am saying and already knows what he is going to do, so I am not sure what you mean.

[zaj]

39. Absolutely

That's why the board isn't enforcing the "support democrats" policy yet.

Until then, the opening post is an incorrect rant.

/BidenSupporter

[Mila18]

40. We had to destroy the village

in order to save it.

[calimary]

55. Mom? Is that YOU???? I thought you passed in 2006!

Mom, since you’re evidently back among us, let me tell you what that attitude did to me, growing up. I heard you the first time. Now it’s YOUR turn to hear me.

You never let up on me with your criticism. Never. You were the first Grade-A-Number-One fault-finder of the whole world. NOTHING I ever did was good enough, or satisfied you. I had a weight problem as a kid and teenager. You NEVER let me forget it. You hated that I was fat. I made straight A’s. I never got in trouble. I never hung out with the “bad boys,” or even “bad girls.” I never snuck out at night behind your back or snuck a boy in behind your back. I never cheated or stole from your purse. I never lied to you. I stayed home and studied and wrote papers and read books for book reports. I was a model student, Mom, and that was my world. And you knew that. You saw it every day.

But I was overweight, and I guess to you, Mom, that was THE cardinal sin of all time. And you never let me forget it.

And you’d nag me about it and complain to me constantly about how fat I was and how bad I looked and how no clothes or fashions no matter how much they cost would ever look good on me because I didn’t look good myself. I had long hair and I’d hide under it and you berated me for doing that, too, Mom.

And there came a point where you started to justify it. Maybe you assumed because I was getting older and less inclined to listen to you or care what you said anymore, you should explain yourself a little.

Remember what you said, Mom? (Cuz I sure do.) You argued that you were “just trying to help me.” I remember as though it were earlier this morning: “nobody will tell you the things I tell you. Nobody will tell you this.” (Sure, Mom. I get that. Nobody else is that driven to hurt my feelings day after day, and make me feel horrible and ugly and unworthy of love. Nobody else will s so hellbent on hurting me and shaming me and NEVER being satisfied with ANYTHING I did - even all the things I did and accomplishments I achieved that were good. It was never good enough. I was never good enough. And believe me, I got the message.

I fought the ol’ self-esteem thing for years. In some ways I’m still fighting it, and Mom, you’ve been dead since 2006. And I’m still struggling with it to this moment. Hell, you kept it up in your hospital bed and then when you were sent home to your own bed the very end because there was nothing the doctors could do for you anymore. I’m still partially crippled by that. Still confused about whether I have any worth to anyone because I don’t look like I belong in the pages of Vogue magazine. Certainly I’m emotionally damaged, to this very day.

But you were just so sure you were “helping me.” You thought or believed, I guess, that you were somehow being “kind.” It was for my own good, you’d say. You were just “trying to help.”

[zonkers]

60. This.

[thesquanderer]

7. Are you really seeing right-wing anti-Biden crap here?

I see very little critical of Biden at all. (Lots of posts critical of the other candidate, though.)

[Thekaspervote]

11. Yes..a post late last night. I am not even going to repeat it and lend more visibility to it

[thesquanderer]

24. Maybe you mean inside threads? I was only thinking about OPs. n/t

[Hekate]

47. A couple of people are posting OPs

I juried one, and spotted another in a short period of time last night. There are others, trust me.

[TwilightZone]

17. There's quite a bit.

Some gets filtered out by the jury system. Same with some criticism of Sanders.

[thesquanderer]

26. I was only thinking about OPs. Maybe the issue is replies inside threads. n/t

[MrsCoffee]

18. Yes. You keep pretending a bunch of shit doesn't exist.

I guess whatever helps you sleep at night.

The rest of us will continue to call it like it is.

[thesquanderer]

29. I got a few replies, only yours made it personal.

So how 'bout you show me where I pretended things don't exist?

Getting back to the topic of this thread, as I posted in other replies, maybe people are seeing this stuff in replies within threads. I don't see lots of those, I was only thinking about OPs, where Biden-bashing is near non-existent. (There's a noticeable amount of anti-Bernie OPs, though.)

[NCProgressive]

31. At this point, any criticism of Biden is right-wing

because it ONLY helps the right-wing.

[The Wizard]

9. This is not the time for

temper tantrum politics demanding the perfect candidate. Humanity and the Constitution are on the line.
Remember what happened in 2016 when far too many non voters determined to believe there was no difference between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump.
We are on the precipice of a disaster with the cult wanting to drag the rest of us into their suicidal Danse Macabre.

[SCantiGOP]

10. I will rec your post

Likewise I would urge people to quit coming here and needlessly trashing Sanders supporters since it sews dissension and ill-will when we need a united front against trump.

Your post + this post = one united effort to save our country from the fascists, racists, Russians and greedy profiteers who are trying to keep us divided.

[Turin_C3PO]

12. I'd like to see criticisms of both

candidates tamped down. We’re in a national crisis and need all hands on deck to get through this thing.

[SCantiGOP]

13. Bravo, Turin

As old Ben Franklin said, we either hang together or we hang separately.

[Celerity]

20. [phone]

[Demsrule86]

22. That is nonsense...and Trump is strengthened...we need to ignore Sanders...the DNC is going to have

to step in if this continues.

[Turin_C3PO]

23. I didn't say we couldn't ignore Sanders.

But the constant bickering is pointless.

[Demsrule86]

41. Right wing talking points have no place on this forum...not saying you at all...but I have seen some

posts...and we all know better. Criticizing our people and our party makes for candidates that lose and discourages voters from joining our party...the feet to the fire meme is bullshit and always was. We support our own. Terrible example but look how much dirty donnie can do even without the house because he has the support of his party. Had we shown such support in our party for President Obama, it would be a different world.

[Turin_C3PO]

43. True, right wing bullshit

should be called out and alerted upon, I agree completely. But for most stuff, I think it’s best to focus on Trump and ignore Sanders as much as possible.

[Demsrule86]

45. We don't have much choice...but everyday Sanders stays in is one day less we have to beat

dirty donnie...because you can't leave this unresolved and win. This is going to be a very tough campaign with what is going on.

[NCProgressive]

34. There is a fallacy in that argument.

Candidate A is certain to become the nominee and is not criticizing Candidate B at all.

However, Candidate B with no chance is attacking and smearing Candidate A.

What is being criticized about Candidate B is his failure to grasp that in his attacks (most of them FALSE), he is carrying the water for republicans.

The latter MUST be criticized -- what you are saying sounds like "there were very fine people on both sides."

[Turin_C3PO]

36. There are fine people on both sides

as far as Sanders and Biden goes. I’m the only Biden supporter in my friend group (all millennials) and my mother also supported Sanders. All good people who intend to support the nominee in November.

[NCProgressive]

37. I was giving a metaphor

What I was conveying is that Sanders' attacks on Biden are not equivalent to Biden supporters' attacks on Sanders. The latter are justified because the former are vile.

[Turin_C3PO]

38. I just think

we gain nothing by responding. Ignore Sanders and focus on Trump and his horrible handling of this crisis. That’s what Biden is doing and I think that’s what we, as his supporters, should do also.

[Demsrule86]

44. If Sanders and some of his supporters destroy Biden with this bullshit 'campaign' Trump will win

again...don't you get that? This is why people are so upset...we are watching Sanders destroy our chance to beat Trump and for what? nothing because no matter what he won't be the nominee. One has to wonder what motivates Sanders...does he want Trump to lose?

[Turin_C3PO]

46. Well,

I sincerely believe Sanders should drop out for the good of the party. But I like Biden’s tactic of ignoring him. People like Sanders and his horrible surrogates thrive on attention. It’s best not to give them oxygen.

[Demsrule86]

50. He will get oxygen as long as this goes on...and it makes it impossible for fundraising for Biden

and for down ballot races...he needs to go.

[DownriverDem]

16. When is Bernie

going to get onboard? What about the undecides? We need everyone to defeat trump.

[DonaldsRump]

27. "Russia, if you're listening...."

"...this applies to you, too!"

[NCProgressive]

28. KnR

[spicysista]

32. Absolutely!

It's time to focus on bringing down the Orange clown.

Geaux Joe, geaux!

[WinstonSmith4740]

42. Absolutely!

This is not a time for bomb throwing. I don't really care what he said or did 40 years ago. It was a different time and demanded different responses. What I care about is getting Trump the hell out of there, and we won't do it if we write the Rethugs commercials for them. There's no doubt in my mind that a lot of this is right wing trolls looking to stir things up among the libs. But what I'm still trying to figure out is how such a large percentage of people on this site still consider themselves "Undecided". How does that work at this stage? I can fully understand still being a Bernie supporter, and I hope you'll vote country over personal wants, but I'll be damned if I can figure out "Undecided".

And how about some pictures of your Pitties? They're awesome dogs.

[lambchopp59]

48. This is a divisive, omnidirectional and offensive post

This is a nerve racking time and circumstances. Blowing general anger onto those who aren't in total agreement is also a RW tactic and gets doubled down with foul languaged bobble head "Yes, shut down, you enemy" posts I see nearly 10 of above.
Relax, your candidate is top of the polls, and will become more so.
If someone is posting such sacrilege, how about addressing the issue right there, or even flag a post as inappropriate?

[Laelth]

51. +1 n/t

-Laelth

[Mr. Ected]

53. DU is an echo chamber, so divisive OP's simply reverberate among us and no one else

I would imagine most participants here are Democrats. There are, of course, exceptions, but we self-police very, very well.

My problem with Bernie supporters is their effect on the voting public in general. I don't argue that everyone has a right to support the candidate of their choice, i just feel that the 2020 election will be an existential one, and the sooner we endorse a singular candidate to oppose the abject fascism we're faced with, the sooner we can ensure a concerted and laser-focused counter to our archest of nemeses.

In other words, it's time for Bernie supporters to take one for Team USA, not even the Democrats, but Team USA. And trust that Joe has your back and will work with you to bring some of Bernie's ideas to the political landscape.

[comradebillyboy]

56. Those aren't right wing talking points. Those are Sanders campaign

smears pushed by his hand picked staff.

[betsuni]

59. K&R

[wellst0nev0ter]

61. Or maybe Biden and his supporters need to start healing wounds

and approaching the left instead of demanding obedience. Ever think of that?

[emmaverybo]

63. When did Biden demand obedience? Total nonsense! And Biden adopted some of Warren's

Issues, but the fact is Biden does not need to go any more left and do Bernie’s agenda. He has
great pragmatic and progressive plans that will attract Dems and people we need in swing states.
He has got landslide Dem support. And he will have dependent and cross over too.

[Cha]

62. Freaking KICK!