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Under The Radar

(3,386 posts)
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 04:08 PM Mar 2020

Biden needs to stand on his own feet, he doesn't need Obama's coattails

Last edited Thu Mar 26, 2020, 05:22 PM - Edit history (1)

Don’t get me wrong, Obama saved our country and I admire and honor his opinion now, but Joe is running for President, he needs to take the reins. He has the experience that he can hold up against anyone, he doesn’t need Obama’s approval anymore.

Joe Biden consults Obama over choice of running mate

[link:https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/joe-biden-running-mate-obama-democrat-primaries-2020-election-a9418171.html|

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Biden needs to stand on his own feet, he doesn't need Obama's coattails (Original Post) Under The Radar Mar 2020 OP
Huh? mcar Mar 2020 #1
poster has been on DU for 2 months SCantiGOP Mar 2020 #3
+++ still_one Mar 2020 #7
and interesting screen name. Just saying hlthe2b Mar 2020 #8
Sure is mcar Mar 2020 #9
I read profiles and histories. NurseJackie Mar 2020 #10
Busy busy busy Hekate Mar 2020 #21
Who said that he does? William769 Mar 2020 #2
Where did you hear that he needs Obama's approval? jrthin Mar 2020 #4
Say what now?? Come again??? n/t asuhornets Mar 2020 #5
Joe road on the initial ride that created those coat tails. LakeArenal Mar 2020 #6
Amen! nt Kahuna Mar 2020 #13
Joe was elected to the US Senate when Barack Obama was eleven years old jberryhill Mar 2020 #11
Joe Biden is his own man.. why haven't you noticed? Cha Mar 2020 #12
Keep Scraping The Bottom Of The Barrel Like That, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #14
Not approval - OhZone Mar 2020 #15
Whatcha talkin bout Willis? NCProgressive Mar 2020 #16
What are you talking about? Hav Mar 2020 #17
Link was added Under The Radar Mar 2020 #18
Ok, got it now Hav Mar 2020 #20
Seeking the the opinion of others is wise Under The Radar Mar 2020 #24
A president who can't and doesn't consult with his predecessors isn't worth much. NNadir Mar 2020 #19
Actually Rebl2 Mar 2020 #22
Thanks for the objective reply Under The Radar Mar 2020 #25
'Don't get me wrong...' Scurrilous Mar 2020 #23
I think VP Biden is doing a great job campaigning on his own abilities...period! Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author Eliot Rosewater Mar 2020 #27
you seem very concerned ! stonecutter357 Mar 2020 #28
A person who is so arrogant as to NOT seek and use valuable advice does not deserve to be President. spooky3 Mar 2020 #29
Above in the thread.... Under The Radar Mar 2020 #30
"Used as a crutch" is a conclusion you have drawn. It is not evidence spooky3 Mar 2020 #33
There is a link in the original thread that is post as fact Under The Radar Mar 2020 #34
Am I the one who started the thread by making an unsupported claim? Nope. spooky3 Mar 2020 #36
Link in the OP Under The Radar Mar 2020 #37
Empirical evidence. Truth. 'bye now. nt spooky3 Mar 2020 #38
Normalcy is likely to be a very powerful trope Vogon_Glory Mar 2020 #31
Correct Under The Radar Mar 2020 #32
So you think this is a problem? BlueIdaho Mar 2020 #35
Nope never said there was a problem at all Under The Radar Mar 2020 #39
Well, you know what they say about opinions... BlueIdaho Mar 2020 #40
Yours as well Under The Radar Mar 2020 #41
Roll my eyes onetexan Mar 2020 #42
 

SCantiGOP

(13,812 posts)
3. poster has been on DU for 2 months
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 04:11 PM
Mar 2020

has 3 posts hidden so far.
Draw your own conclusions.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

hlthe2b

(101,188 posts)
8. and interesting screen name. Just saying
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 04:19 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
10. I read profiles and histories.
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 04:21 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

jrthin

(4,800 posts)
4. Where did you hear that he needs Obama's approval?
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 04:12 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

asuhornets

(2,405 posts)
5. Say what now?? Come again??? n/t
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 04:13 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LakeArenal

(28,565 posts)
6. Joe road on the initial ride that created those coat tails.
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 04:13 PM
Mar 2020

He can shout it from the mountain every single day as far as I’m concerned.

Reminders of what we have lost are appropriate at all times.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
11. Joe was elected to the US Senate when Barack Obama was eleven years old
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 04:22 PM
Mar 2020

I assure you, he was not elected on the reputation of a Hawaiian pre-teenager.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(294,345 posts)
12. Joe Biden is his own man.. why haven't you noticed?
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 04:22 PM
Mar 2020

Being Vice President is part of his priceless resume.. another thing that should be obvious.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

The Magistrate

(95,125 posts)
14. Keep Scraping The Bottom Of The Barrel Like That, Sir
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 04:55 PM
Mar 2020

Soon you will be digging yourself a hole....



"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

OhZone

(3,212 posts)
15. Not approval -
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 04:59 PM
Mar 2020

Cooperation and Democratic teamwork!

Oh Yeah!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hav

(5,969 posts)
17. What are you talking about?
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 05:25 PM
Mar 2020

It could be that you meant well and the context is missing but when you post a thread, you should be there to answer questions if clarifications are needed. Hit and run threads are just annoying and serve no purpose on a discussion forum.
But it almost sounds like these typical things that start with an assumption (Biden depends on Obama and cannot do it alone) without any basis and then we pretend that this is a fact and argue needlessly about a scenario that isn't reality.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Under The Radar

(3,386 posts)
18. Link was added
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 05:29 PM
Mar 2020

And to think just a month ago I was likely Biden’s biggest defender. My opinion of him hasn’t changed, he is the best that we have, but he ain’t perfect, yet light years ahead of what is there now.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hav

(5,969 posts)
20. Ok, got it now
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 05:35 PM
Mar 2020

But I don't get what's to worry about. In 2008, Obama probably talked with others as well about potential VP picks. It doesn't mean Biden is dependent on Obama or that he won't be the one making the final decision. The way he revealed that he talked about this with Obama, it even might not have been the reason why they had a conversation, it might have just come up.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Under The Radar

(3,386 posts)
24. Seeking the the opinion of others is wise
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 05:46 PM
Mar 2020

....like Lincoln’s cabinet of rivals, he needed to hear both sides of an issue, then weigh his decision, my opinion the wisest of leaders.
Throughout this primary Joe has used his position as Obama’s VP as a crutch for Black support, or on the economy of being a “Obama - Biden Democrat” when Bernie touted Democratic Socialism. When his voting record was BETTER for unions and workers rights than Obama’s while senators.
He is more than strong enough to run on his record and because he isn’t scripted,?he will garner more blue collar support from Trump, but he has got to To put himself on the stump and not anyone else.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NNadir

(33,266 posts)
19. A president who can't and doesn't consult with his predecessors isn't worth much.
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 05:30 PM
Mar 2020

Former Presidents often communicate with their successors, irrespective of their party, with the exception of the shit for brains person now living in the White House and actively destroying our country.

Only a fool relies solely on himself or herself.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Rebl2

(12,989 posts)
22. Actually
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 05:42 PM
Mar 2020

the reason Obama picked Joe as his running mate is he thought Joe could help him. I really don’t think Joe needs help picking a running mate. He knows what he’s doing. Don’t get me wrong, I voted for Obama twice and miss his leadership, intelligence, and calm demeanor. Oh how I miss that man.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Under The Radar

(3,386 posts)
25. Thanks for the objective reply
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 05:55 PM
Mar 2020

No shortage of reactionary opinions with D’s here, I always thought the GOP had an exclusive on those.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Scurrilous

(38,687 posts)
23. 'Don't get me wrong...'
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 05:45 PM
Mar 2020


Slim chance of that!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Thekaspervote

(32,097 posts)
26. I think VP Biden is doing a great job campaigning on his own abilities...period!
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 05:57 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to Under The Radar (Original post)

 

spooky3

(33,998 posts)
29. A person who is so arrogant as to NOT seek and use valuable advice does not deserve to be President.
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 06:03 PM
Mar 2020

I admire leaders who consult qualified others and listen to them.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Under The Radar

(3,386 posts)
30. Above in the thread....
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 06:05 PM
Mar 2020

24. Seeking the the opinion of others is wise
....like Lincoln’s cabinet of rivals, he needed to hear both sides of an issue, then weigh his decision, my opinion the wisest of leaders.
Throughout this primary Joe has used his position as Obama’s VP as a crutch for Black support, or on the economy of being a “Obama - Biden Democrat” when Bernie touted Democratic Socialism. When his voting record was BETTER for unions and workers rights than Obama’s while senators.
He is more than strong enough to run on his record and because he isn’t scripted,?he will garner more blue collar support from Trump, but he has got to To put himself on the stump and not anyone else.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

spooky3

(33,998 posts)
33. "Used as a crutch" is a conclusion you have drawn. It is not evidence
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 06:25 PM
Mar 2020

of anything, and not convincing.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Under The Radar

(3,386 posts)
34. There is a link in the original thread that is post as fact
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 06:29 PM
Mar 2020

Everything else here is an opinion, including your own.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

spooky3

(33,998 posts)
36. Am I the one who started the thread by making an unsupported claim? Nope.
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 06:30 PM
Mar 2020

You seem awfully sensitive to anyone's challenging your opinion.

The article to which you linked says NOTHING about requiring approval as opposed to seeking input, nor does it say anything that could be construed as using Obama "as a crutch."

Enjoy your stay.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

spooky3

(33,998 posts)
38. Empirical evidence. Truth. 'bye now. nt
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 06:35 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Vogon_Glory

(9,031 posts)
31. Normalcy is likely to be a very powerful trope
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 06:08 PM
Mar 2020

this election. Joe Biden has had a long and distinguished career of his own and referring to the better days of the Obama years is likely to play better with the voters than Donnie’s erratic, incompetent, malevolent, Effing-up-the-works style of (non) governance.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Under The Radar

(3,386 posts)
32. Correct
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 06:17 PM
Mar 2020

My point (which seemingly missed its mark) was Joe Doesn’t Need it. He has a very admirable record on his own, I even favored Joe when he ran against the Field against Hilary and Obama. He is more genuine to the common man that will pull in the Blue collar vote (which used to be the democratic base) the black vote, LGBTQ....he isn’t scripted or polished and I believe scares team Trump more than anything else.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
35. So you think this is a problem?
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 06:30 PM
Mar 2020

Really? Huh.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Under The Radar

(3,386 posts)
39. Nope never said there was a problem at all
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 06:36 PM
Mar 2020

Like everything on here, it is an opinion

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
40. Well, you know what they say about opinions...
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 06:38 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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