Biden needs to stand on his own feet, he doesn't need Obama's coattails

[Under The Radar]

Last edited Thu Mar 26, 2020, 06:22 PM - Edit history (1)

Don’t get me wrong, Obama saved our country and I admire and honor his opinion now, but Joe is running for President, he needs to take the reins. He has the experience that he can hold up against anyone, he doesn’t need Obama’s approval anymore.

Joe Biden consults Obama over choice of running mate

[link:https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/joe-biden-running-mate-obama-democrat-primaries-2020-election-a9418171.html|

[mcar]

1. Huh?

[SCantiGOP]

3. poster has been on DU for 2 months

has 3 posts hidden so far.
Draw your own conclusions.

[still_one]

7. +++

[hlthe2b]

8. and interesting screen name. Just saying

[mcar]

9. Sure is

[NurseJackie]

10. I read profiles and histories.

[Hekate]

21. Busy busy busy

[William769]

2. Who said that he does?

[jrthin]

4. Where did you hear that he needs Obama's approval?

[asuhornets]

5. Say what now?? Come again??? n/t

[LakeArenal]

6. Joe road on the initial ride that created those coat tails.

He can shout it from the mountain every single day as far as I’m concerned.

Reminders of what we have lost are appropriate at all times.

[Kahuna]

13. Amen! nt

[jberryhill]

11. Joe was elected to the US Senate when Barack Obama was eleven years old

I assure you, he was not elected on the reputation of a Hawaiian pre-teenager.

[Cha]

12. Joe Biden is his own man.. why haven't you noticed?

Being Vice President is part of his priceless resume.. another thing that should be obvious.

[The Magistrate]

14. Keep Scraping The Bottom Of The Barrel Like That, Sir

Soon you will be digging yourself a hole....



"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

[OhZone]

15. Not approval -

Cooperation and Democratic teamwork!

Oh Yeah!

[NCProgressive]

16. Whatcha talkin bout Willis?

[Hav]

17. What are you talking about?

It could be that you meant well and the context is missing but when you post a thread, you should be there to answer questions if clarifications are needed. Hit and run threads are just annoying and serve no purpose on a discussion forum.
But it almost sounds like these typical things that start with an assumption (Biden depends on Obama and cannot do it alone) without any basis and then we pretend that this is a fact and argue needlessly about a scenario that isn't reality.

[Under The Radar]

18. Link was added

And to think just a month ago I was likely Biden’s biggest defender. My opinion of him hasn’t changed, he is the best that we have, but he ain’t perfect, yet light years ahead of what is there now.

[Hav]

20. Ok, got it now

But I don't get what's to worry about. In 2008, Obama probably talked with others as well about potential VP picks. It doesn't mean Biden is dependent on Obama or that he won't be the one making the final decision. The way he revealed that he talked about this with Obama, it even might not have been the reason why they had a conversation, it might have just come up.

[Under The Radar]

24. Seeking the the opinion of others is wise

....like Lincoln’s cabinet of rivals, he needed to hear both sides of an issue, then weigh his decision, my opinion the wisest of leaders.
Throughout this primary Joe has used his position as Obama’s VP as a crutch for Black support, or on the economy of being a “Obama - Biden Democrat” when Bernie touted Democratic Socialism. When his voting record was BETTER for unions and workers rights than Obama’s while senators.
He is more than strong enough to run on his record and because he isn’t scripted,?he will garner more blue collar support from Trump, but he has got to To put himself on the stump and not anyone else.

[NNadir]

19. A president who can't and doesn't consult with his predecessors isn't worth much.

Former Presidents often communicate with their successors, irrespective of their party, with the exception of the shit for brains person now living in the White House and actively destroying our country.

Only a fool relies solely on himself or herself.

[Rebl2]

22. Actually

the reason Obama picked Joe as his running mate is he thought Joe could help him. I really don’t think Joe needs help picking a running mate. He knows what he’s doing. Don’t get me wrong, I voted for Obama twice and miss his leadership, intelligence, and calm demeanor. Oh how I miss that man.

[Under The Radar]

25. Thanks for the objective reply

No shortage of reactionary opinions with D’s here, I always thought the GOP had an exclusive on those.

[Scurrilous]

23. 'Don't get me wrong...'

Slim chance of that!

[Thekaspervote]

26. I think VP Biden is doing a great job campaigning on his own abilities...period!

[stonecutter357]

28. you seem very concerned !

[spooky3]

29. A person who is so arrogant as to NOT seek and use valuable advice does not deserve to be President.

I admire leaders who consult qualified others and listen to them.

[Under The Radar]

30. Above in the thread....

24. Seeking the the opinion of others is wise
....like Lincoln’s cabinet of rivals, he needed to hear both sides of an issue, then weigh his decision, my opinion the wisest of leaders.
Throughout this primary Joe has used his position as Obama’s VP as a crutch for Black support, or on the economy of being a “Obama - Biden Democrat” when Bernie touted Democratic Socialism. When his voting record was BETTER for unions and workers rights than Obama’s while senators.
He is more than strong enough to run on his record and because he isn’t scripted,?he will garner more blue collar support from Trump, but he has got to To put himself on the stump and not anyone else.

[spooky3]

33. "Used as a crutch" is a conclusion you have drawn. It is not evidence

of anything, and not convincing.

[Under The Radar]

34. There is a link in the original thread that is post as fact

Everything else here is an opinion, including your own.

[spooky3]

36. Am I the one who started the thread by making an unsupported claim? Nope.

You seem awfully sensitive to anyone's challenging your opinion.

The article to which you linked says NOTHING about requiring approval as opposed to seeking input, nor does it say anything that could be construed as using Obama "as a crutch."

Enjoy your stay.

[Under The Radar]

37. Link in the OP

I really dont know what kind of support you need
[link:https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/joe-biden-running-mate-obama-democrat-primaries-2020-election-a9418171.html|

[spooky3]

38. Empirical evidence. Truth. 'bye now. nt

[Vogon_Glory]

31. Normalcy is likely to be a very powerful trope

this election. Joe Biden has had a long and distinguished career of his own and referring to the better days of the Obama years is likely to play better with the voters than Donnie’s erratic, incompetent, malevolent, Effing-up-the-works style of (non) governance.

[Under The Radar]

32. Correct

My point (which seemingly missed its mark) was Joe Doesn’t Need it. He has a very admirable record on his own, I even favored Joe when he ran against the Field against Hilary and Obama. He is more genuine to the common man that will pull in the Blue collar vote (which used to be the democratic base) the black vote, LGBTQ....he isn’t scripted or polished and I believe scares team Trump more than anything else.

[BlueIdaho]

35. So you think this is a problem?

Really? Huh.

[Under The Radar]

39. Nope never said there was a problem at all

Like everything on here, it is an opinion

[BlueIdaho]

40. Well, you know what they say about opinions...

[Under The Radar]

41. Yours as well

[onetexan]

42. Roll my eyes