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Bernie Sanders Organizer Screams Expletives at Rally: F*ck Hillary! F*ck Hillary!
By Tommy Christopher Apr 15th, 2019, 1:05 pm
https://www.mediaite.com/print/bernie-sanders-organizer-screams-expletives-at-rally-fck-hillary-fck-hillary/
A Bernie Sanders organizer named Mark Craig shouted expletives at a Bernie Sanders rally over the weekend, targeting former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton with screams of Fuck Hillary! Fuck Hillary!
At a rally on Saturday in Warren, Michigan, Sanders spent a portion of his speech boasting about his success at reducing the power of Democratic superdelegates in the primary process.
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It was during this section of the speech that, according to the Washington Post, a Bernie Sanders organizer named Mark Craig shouted the expletives in question.
And according to another Washington Post reporter, Sean Sullivan, wrote that Mark Craig, 66, disparaged Trump and Hillary Clinton with expletives as he cheered on Sanders during his speech Saturday in Warren, Mich. Weigel, reached by email, confirmed that he heard Craig shout Fuck Hillary! Fuck Hillary!
Have Senator Sanders condemned this outburst from his organizer? Is this the official stance of the Sanders campaign? Is this the reaction Senator Sanders wants to elicit with his speech?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dalton99a
(83,389 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
onit2day
(1,201 posts)Seems just looking for any reason to attack Bernie. It's petty and without substance to think anyone in Bernie's camp would have had anything to do with that comment.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(303,028 posts)about Hillary.. he needs to fucking wake UP, and realize it's Fucking 2019 and Hillary is NOT Running for POTUS.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
artislife
(9,497 posts)thank god.
This place and others would implode.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(303,028 posts)his stupid head.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
artislife
(9,497 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(303,028 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
artislife
(9,497 posts)animosity from the last go around.
smh
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
philly_bob
(2,424 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Champion Jack
(5,378 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(303,028 posts)his staff. This is all on him.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(303,028 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
RandySF
(66,972 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mcar
(43,204 posts)and should be treated with respect, at least from Democrats.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(303,028 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mcar
(43,204 posts)Along with some others. SMDH.
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Eliot Rosewater
(32,244 posts)and they HATE Kamala and so on.
They are all around us, afraid to say it but THAT is what they are thinking. They hate Joe also, probably ALL candidates with a "D" after their name, not probably actually.
But, we have to pretend that isnt happening, sigh
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mcar
(43,204 posts)At least not on Twitter. They are all over the place with their misogyny and racism.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(27,121 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
artislife
(9,497 posts)Or she wouldn't have had the popular vote win. Not that it made a difference to the outcome.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Eliot Rosewater
(32,244 posts)getting in
AMAZING
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
artislife
(9,497 posts)It ended up helping Bill.
Look at Nader, it ended up hurting Al.
The one constellation that the Democrats have is that she won the popular vote. I don't think she would have if there had been Sanders running as a third party candidate. I don't think he would have won as a third party candidate, either.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(303,028 posts)that be?
Because Hillary actually Won the Election?
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NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... the hatred and bitterness toward Hillary hasn't subsided.
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Cha
(303,028 posts)complete.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
samnsara
(18,115 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lark
(23,790 posts)It wasn't just one random person in a large crowd and saying that did nothing to promote either the candidate or you. It was a Bernie staffer - a person chosen by Bernie or the campaign - was the one doing that, which is a 100% different issue.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cary
(11,746 posts)Don't you think? God forbid one should own it and deal with it and show integrity.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(303,028 posts)Why try to give this idiot cover with straw and WhatAbout?!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
A younger, more naive me once thought that this kind of tribalism belonged solely to Republicans. Unfortunately we Democrats are dumb enough to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory even after seeing a Nazi in the White House.
That's a shame.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Eliot Rosewater
(32,244 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mcar
(43,204 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
We have so much at stake here. Can we please leave the vicarious b.s. to the Unindicted Co-Conspirator mopes?
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mcar
(43,204 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DeeDeeNY
(3,424 posts)Which he doesnt
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mcar
(43,204 posts)Since it's all over Twitter. If he doesn't, shame on him and his media team.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DeeDeeNY
(3,424 posts)They cant possibly keep track of every person posting on social media about someone shouting something
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mcar
(43,204 posts)The Twitter poster is a journalist covering Sanders' campaign.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cary
(11,746 posts)???
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(70,677 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dogman
(6,073 posts)When they blamed Bernie's campaign for Lucy Flores.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(303,028 posts)https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142234955
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueFlorida
(1,532 posts)like Trump, Bernie gets the "best people."
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Cary
(11,746 posts)Doesn't this work both ways?
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pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Nothing like the circular firing squad Obama warned about.
Hey, No candidate is responsible for EVERY person who comes to their rallies. If people start joining in that chant, then I am sure Bernie would hear it and tell them "no".
This is why many don't feel comfortable with the party, they don't stand up for their own and they tear each other down. Who wants to be with a group like that? Think about it.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
You don't like circular firing squads so what to do?
Bash the whole party, of course!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cary
(11,746 posts)Because nothing you can say will make me believe that such a representation would be true.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,499 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
mcar
(43,204 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(303,028 posts)shouting out obscenities about our first female Democratic candidate for POTUS.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,499 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
mcar
(43,204 posts)Seems like a part of Bernie's camp, yes?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)I believe that makes a difference. He's not one random man in a crowd.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DownriverDem
(6,490 posts)I will never support Sanders. He's not a true Democrat. I don't care if it's one man. Sanders folks treat us real Dems like we are repubs. This might be against the rules.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(19,495 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
samnsara
(18,115 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(303,028 posts)It's 2019, Idiot.. get a clue. Nice "organizer" there
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
prodigitalson
(2,751 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Me.
(35,454 posts)How long before they pull HRC into their campaign
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=69175
You can't make this stuff up, and his crowing how he reduced the number of super delegates will not play well for him. Can't say I'm surprised at how his people behave and don't look for him to wave that bony finger at his own.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(303,028 posts)Last edited Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:30 PM - Edit history (1)
so much!.. he can't handle it!
Pathetic.. they need their boogiewoman back!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Me.
(35,454 posts)Maybe they'll figure out how to target Pete now that he's taking over. I mean honestly, his supporters screaming about HRC and he says nothing. You're right it has the feel of a trump rally. And lest we forget, his man Devine is the one who coined the 'lock her up chant'.
Aloha Hoa...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(303,028 posts)her disingenuous attackers. They know that.. and it makes them lose it!
Hoaaloha
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
namahage
(1,158 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Me.
(35,454 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LiberalFighter
(53,186 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Stuart G
(38,726 posts)Oh, the nominating convention is next year. Is that correct? The first primaries are when? Next January..or is it February?....We got to calm down. Of course, some of us.......................................
don't have to calm down... Do and say what you believe. But we will need a whole lot of energy to win a year from November...So save some of it for then.. and................
Please don't get mad at me..(OK, if you want to that is ok)..but our anger needs to be saved for the 4 months previous to Nov 2020...(in my humble opinion)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Me.
(35,454 posts)But there is no defense against excoriating HRC, once again, by some staffer and no apologies, or sanctions forthcoming. Bernie was bragging in an unbalanced way and it led to her being insulted. So I will speak out against such as she is a former first lady, Senator, and Secretary of State of this country. The Senator has only been that with 3 bills to his credit, two of which was naming post offices. So perspective is needed, but insulting behavior toward HRC is not. That is donald j trump teritory.
That said...not mad in the least...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)I mean this is high school level stuff.
Sure would be nice to discuss the important issues of the day instead of your person called my person a bad name !!!11!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
lillypaddle
(9,605 posts)no?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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lillypaddle
(9,605 posts)NEWS FLASH!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)under the context of what someone said at a Sander's rally, then it is fair game to look at Hillary's record on comparative tactics she used in the past.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
awesomerwb1
(4,433 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
riversedge
(72,093 posts)I have never seen this message before. Do you know why??
..........You cannot reply to hidden posts............
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lillypaddle
(9,605 posts)I said that it sounded like a trump rally. I did not "equate sanders with trump."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dsc
(52,500 posts)I searched Google and can't find any such thing.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)SMH
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MrsCoffee
(5,812 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
vsrazdem
(2,181 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
JCannon
(67 posts)In 2008, the "darkened video" smear marked the precise moment when I switched from supporting Obama to Hillary Clinton. This lie has been researched exhaustively and and demolished beyond the point of rational debate.
The fact that you tried to resurrect this proven smear demonstrates your bad faith.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
vsrazdem
(2,181 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
OilemFirchen
(7,149 posts)You should be ashamed.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MrsCoffee
(5,812 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MrsCoffee
(5,812 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
vsrazdem
(2,181 posts)I's sure Hillary did not know that was done, and I am sure Bernie didn't hear his staffer among the crowd cheers. You cannot blame a candidate for the stupid things their staffers do.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hekate
(93,656 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
vsrazdem
(2,181 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MineralMan
(147,084 posts)Sounds like bullshit to me, frankly, so post the images or stop making that claim.
Thanks for your cooperation.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
vsrazdem
(2,181 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MineralMan
(147,084 posts)Deceptive.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
vsrazdem
(2,181 posts)meant to make it look sinister.
https://www.factcheck.org/2008/03/did-clinton-darken-obamas-skin/
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MineralMan
(147,084 posts)Campaign used a photo of Obama with crosshairs. Was that you? If not, then why reply to me at all?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
vsrazdem
(2,181 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MineralMan
(147,084 posts)So, you want us to rise up? And do what?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
vsrazdem
(2,181 posts)I don't know what post 224 is.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MrsCoffee
(5,812 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
You can't blame the candidates for what stupid staffers do.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MrsCoffee
(5,812 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
vsrazdem
(2,181 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MrsCoffee
(5,812 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
vsrazdem
(2,181 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Thekaspervote
(34,059 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
onit2day
(1,201 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)You can't have it both ways. Your team can't be acting like juveniles and then expect everyone else to turn a blind eye to it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LakeArenal
(29,580 posts)So surely, Sanders said stop doing that?
Yes?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
comradebillyboy
(10,395 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LakeArenal
(29,580 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)we've caught him alone, numerous times, watching everyone else around him networking.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
comradebillyboy
(10,395 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(303,028 posts)Mahalo, comradebillyboy!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)But this one 30 second video shows that deep down, McCain was a decent, honorable man. Sadly, we'll never see the same from some people.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BigOleDummy
(2,274 posts)I did not agree with Mr. McCain much politically but never ONCE ,not once, did I doubt his basic human decency and his sincerity. His efforts to work with all Americans and their representatives in Washington is something to be admired imo. He truly was and still is a true Patriot in every sense of the word. Yes, I'm a veteran and yes I am proud and humbled to call him a fellow veteran and an honorable man. A Hero with a capitol H.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(303,028 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
progressoid
(50,442 posts)That's interesting math.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)Secretary Clinton ... still living rent free in both BS's and tRump's heads.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
progressoid
(50,442 posts)It was supposed to read "One person" equals "your people"?
Speaking of the substance of a post. Care to expand on your statement that this one person is "your people"? If this is true, then can I condemn all nurses because the last one I saw was awful? Can I condemn all McDonalds employees because one was a jerk?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)But go ahead and continue to try and minimize this ... it won't work.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
progressoid
(50,442 posts)You said "when your people..." People is plural.
A more accurate statement would have been, "when one of your people...", or "when a person...".
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)Get back at me when you decide you'd like to debate issues. I'd like for someone to try and justify this to me.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)Have yelled "fuck Sanders" at one of their events.
Maybe you missed it. Clinton isn't running.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Buzz cook
(2,561 posts)Two years later and an important Sanders supporter is still more upset about imagined wrongs Clinton might have done than about beating Trump.
What does that say about Bernie? What about him makes people hate so passionately and with such misdirection?
What does that say about his supporters? Are they brittle enough to oppose a democratic nominee if Bernie doesn't win? Is this guy an outlier or representative?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
He is more than just a supporter - he is the Flint Michigan organizer.
Why is Bernie still stuck in 2016? He lost the nomination. He did not loose because of the Super Delegates. She won more delegates than he, received more votes. It was not a close contest.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dawg day
(7,947 posts)"fixing" the Democratic party somehow, refighting old primary battles, like other Democrats are the enemy-- even Democrats who aren't running. What's up with that? Is Secy Clinton really the enemy for his campaign? Is Democratic Party policy really the policy he's willing to get granular about?
I'd love to hear more about free college, how to make that work, rather than superdelegate policy intra-party. If he wants to obsess about election stuff, he seems to be more interested in THAT than even other more pressing election issues like, you know, Russian interference.
This just reinforces my sense that we need to move on away from the old intra-party squabbles, forgive the past, and unite to save the g-d country.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BigOleDummy
(2,274 posts)I myself am afraid that Mr. Sanders in his quest to "reform"/"fix" the Democratic Party will do nothing but further splinter us at a time when we desperately need to come together. Mr. Sanders please give us ideas and proposals , something concrete to talk about and debate and tone down the divisiveness and yes, bile , for the Democratic Party. Is 4 more years of trump WORTH your social democratic purity? This from an old old leftist too.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mcar
(43,204 posts)This was during a speech Sanders was giving. Did he stop and tell his idiot supporter to knock it off? Didn't he make a pledge of civility?
Was that just meaningless words?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
onit2day
(1,201 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
onit2day
(1,201 posts)So quick to jump to conclusion shows your bias. Hundreds were screaming. The crowd just ignored him as this post should have.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(303,028 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ancianita
(37,722 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(303,028 posts)Just like the screamer yelling obscenities.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ancianita
(37,722 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(303,028 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mcar
(43,204 posts)Why won't he condemn the terrible words of one of his organizers?
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Cha
(303,028 posts)you want that to happen.
This yeller.. obscenities at Hillary Clinton is a BS organizer in Flint Michigan.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
stonecutter357
(12,760 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)So obviously it's Bernie's fault and he should be banned from the race and shunned forever!
I'll just be over here clutching muh pearls on the fainting couch.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,601 posts)Ive even seen it posted here.
Former Dem official: 'Go f--- yourself, Bernie'
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
delisen
(6,349 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
mcar
(43,204 posts)An organizer. One of Bernie's team.
What would your reaction be if a staffer for one of the other candidates screamed "F#ck Bernie" at a rally?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)And move on... like an adult.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tom Rinaldo
(22,980 posts)See post #225 below. A whole lot of unfounded assumptions are being made on this thread.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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qazplm135
(7,451 posts)there'd be ten diaries about it.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
justie18
(169 posts)He is not just a supporter, but the Flint Michigan organizer - a Bernie campaign organizer, according to article in Washington Post.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(303,028 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lark
(23,790 posts)But guess it's more fun to pretend to be Democratic while secretly giving them the raspberry?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
louis c
(8,652 posts)And, in being so, Hillary was all that stood between us and the worst piece of shit that ever occupied any office in this country.
I can assume that if this particular Sanders' supporter shouted "Fuck Hillary" and "Fuck Trump" that he most likely voted 3rd party in 2016.
Like too many Sanders supporters (not all, so please don't defend yourself or take offence, but too many) they didn't fuck Hillary by voting 3rd party. They fucked us.
That's why I don't want to be in bed with them. There are far too many that can't be trusted. I will vote for Bernie if he wins the nomination, but if Biden is eliminated, I will work for any other Democrat in the race before BS. Not because of him, but because of too many of his supporters
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(303,028 posts)Except.. it's because of "him", too.. for me.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cary
(11,746 posts)What are your priorities? My priority is to defeat Unindicted Co-Conspirator.
The point of the opening post is that maybe such excesses need to be avoided this time. And hey maybe you can do your part and be a voice of reason?
Please notice that I am undecided. I really don't care who it is who delivers us from evil. I was actually of similar mind the last time too but guess who rejected me and hurled abuse? And guess who accepted the undecided me without issue?
There is almost no difference in policy so whom do you suppose people like me will side with? A bunch of reckless radicals who would cut off their noses to spite their faces, or a sober progressive intent upon doing justice and attending to the general welfare?
Oh, and call me names like "corporatist" or whatever. That endears me to your cause too.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(152,253 posts)Sanders was a very weak candidate who was never vetted. The Clinton campaign treated Sanders with kid gloves because sanders had no chance in the real world of being the nominee. The press did not vet sanders because sanders was such a weak candidate and it would have been a waste of their time Sanders was not vetted and was in fact treated with kid gloves by the Clinton campaign VOX had a good article on the potential lines of attack that Sanders would be exposed to if Sanders was the nominee. http://www.vox.com/2016/2/3/10903404/gop-campaign-against-sanders One of the more interesting observations in the VOX analysis is the fact that Sanders have been treated with kids gloves compared to what Sanders would face if he was the Democratic nominee. I strongly agree with the VOX's position that the so-called negative attacks against Sander have been mild. Form the article:
I have no interest in litigating any of these attacks here. Like any Democrat elected president in 2016, Sanders wouldn't be able to get much done, but he would block attempts to roll back Obama's accomplishments and have a chance to fill a few Supreme Court vacancies.
When Sanders supporters discuss these attacks, though, they do so in tones of barely contained outrage, as though it is simply disgusting what they have to put up with. Questioning the practical achievability of single-payer health care. Impugning the broad electoral appeal of socialism. Is nothing sacred?
But c'mon. This stuff is patty-cakes compared with the brutalization he would face at the hands of the right in a general election.
His supporters would need to recalibrate their umbrage-o-meters in a serious way.
Sanders was treated with kid gloves by the Clinton campaign because of the amusing over-reactions of the Sanders supporters in the primary process. It appears that you are upset that Hillary Clinton did not use all of the oppo research that was available. Sanders was a weak candidate and would have been destroyed if the oppo research was used.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueFlorida
(1,532 posts)Not dissimilar to "Lock her up"
The similarities with Trump are striking.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
peggysue2
(11,296 posts)Never blame yourself, always your opponent. Never admit a mistake, always offer an excuse. And never, ever admit that words can incite your supporters to moments of true ugliness.
The Bernie Bros were a figment of our imagination as I suspect Mark Craig's outburst will be categorized, certainly overblown and in no way attached to anything Bernie Sanders. Because that would besmirch the whole notion of populism where only the leader truly knows the heart and mind of the people.
Deja vu all over again. Tighten your seat belts, it's going to be a rough and nasty ride.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mcar
(43,204 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(86,187 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mcar
(43,204 posts)Since this cretin was telling this foul abuse during Bernie's speech, I would expect him to stand up for civility.
He did, right?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)article. Sounds like he was trying to "warm up" a crowd that was fairly cool to Sanders' attempt to turn their populist anger on Trump for failing them. Playing the Sanders' and Trump' campaigns "burn the witch" cards. They're both extremely worn and singed around the edges from 2016; but given their outstanding success among populists both trumpsters and sanders-ites then, we no doubt will be seeing a lot more of this.
Sorry, Hillary. Let's hope this left-wing trumpsterism appalls and disgusts many millions.
The blistering attacks on the president reflect Sanderss developing, and arguably risky, strategy of reaching out to Trumps voters ... Its a sharp contrast with other Democratic candidates who are focused on mobilizing Trump opponents. ...
The most striking example of this strategy will play out Monday night when Sanders appears at a town hall meeting hosted by Fox News Channel, an outlet many Democrats detest and one the party has blocked from hosting a debate. Sanders says its important to talk to Fox viewers directly and tell them Trump misled them.
Sanderss approach faces a significant test in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania, where many white, working-class voters were drawn to Trumps fiery populist message in 2016. Sanders argues that he can reclaim these voters by convincing them he can deliver the economic relief they were seeking all along. ...
At a Sanders appearance in Michigan, Christina Fong, who supported Sanders in 2016, said she knows some people who voted for Sanders and then Trump. Sanders can win them back, she said.
Unfortunately, a lot of times people are really angry, and sometimes they displace that anger, said Fong, a 54-year-old musician from Grand Rapids. So they remain angry, which he taps into, she added, speaking of Sanders. ...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
onit2day
(1,201 posts)would U wish that and why say sorry to Hillary? That's deeply disturbing
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(303,028 posts)feel the needs to shout out obscenities about Hillary at a 2019 Rally?!
He must have not gotten BS' memo..
Bernie Sanders Politely Asks Supporters Not to Harass His Opponents
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=5478
Ooops! Hillary is NOT BS' opponent, Mark Craig(Idiot).
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mcar
(43,204 posts)at the time he's actually speaking.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(303,028 posts)not too busy releasing 10 years of Full Transparency Tax Returns?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mcar
(43,204 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(86,187 posts)Reminds me of a brick post.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(303,028 posts)proud of themselves
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(86,187 posts)Not in my lifetime.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(303,028 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
c-rational
(2,810 posts)tempted to take to task BS supporters for their IMO support of ugly behavior, or deflection. Maybe they are trying to deflect from his taxes he is suppose to show? I suggest those who defend the OP behavior identified try Beneficial Speech as defined by Aristotle. It should pass the three sieve test.
First it must be Truthful.
Second it must be Necessary.
Third it must be Good.
So much of the BS posting in this thread IMO just sucks the air out of the room. I do find many BS messengers have the feel of Dumpster rally. It is enervating.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mcar
(43,204 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)resentful jerks, don't they? Those can come in any color, but in the U.S. only whites, and mostly men, can provide sufficient numbers to get away with it. And, of course, the nature of populist movements makes sure they aren't going to exactly be diverse. Someone like Candace Owens can support Trump all she wants, but she is an outlier from his trumpster populists as much as everyone else.
With the press he's been getting for years Sanders is attracting people with a variety of viewpoints, but he IS a left-wing populist leader. Those drawn to him might want to think about the kind of people they are hanging with and wonder to what purpose.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redstatebluegirl
(12,415 posts)I don't want to have to vote for BS.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
onit2day
(1,201 posts)We need clear bold action not likability
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
qazplm135
(7,451 posts)and the filibuster how?
Bernie's not presaging any revolution, even if he is elected.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(303,028 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(303,028 posts)Bull Shit.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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onit2day
(1,201 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
They gone.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
yaesu
(8,040 posts)on his team did this that someone needs to get the boot. I voted for Bernie during the last primary, been following him for over a decade & I'm 100% positive he wouldn't put up with it.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...completely made up and eaten up here by certain folks.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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onit2day
(1,201 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)would he?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
onit2day
(1,201 posts)One person in a huge cheering crowd? Come on. Your immediate jump to conclusions when it comes to Bernie is predictable. Like the guy who showed up with AR15 to a pizza place cause the Clintons were running a child porno trafficking ring...jeez. We don't understand why logic did not tell him this was ridiculous. Like one person's shouting in a huge crowd is perceptable. Like I said watch the vid above
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
comradebillyboy
(10,395 posts)and when reached by email, confirmed that he heard Craig shout Fuck Hillary! Fuck Hillary!
from Weigel's WaPo article:
'No other candidate for the Democratic nomination still talks about Hillary Clinton, whose surprise defeat was traumatic for millions of Democrats. Poking at the primary wounds can be risky; in Michigan, when Sanders reminded the crowd of his successful fight to end the voting power of superdelegates, there was a mix of cheers and boos. Mark Craig, 66, a Sanders organizer in Flint, took a cigar out of his mouth to shout a four-letter expletive about the partys 2016 nominee.'
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/paloma/the-trailer/2019/04/14/the-trailer-what-we-learned-about-sanders-2020-this-weekend/5cb088b61ad2e567949ec175/?utm_term=.4dbc59f8d2c9
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(86,187 posts)He said nothing then either.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)I'm getting some real "Yeah, that happened..." vibes from this one.
Unless someone finds this in the video of the event?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Doodley
(9,981 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
stonecutter357
(12,760 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
demosincebirth
(12,709 posts)Or any other dem.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mac56
(17,600 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
delisen
(6,349 posts)that we can get prepared to protect ourselves as early as possible.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
KitSileya
(4,035 posts)In other words, he's an official member of the campaign, not just an idiot supporter.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
yaesu
(8,040 posts)that this really happened & that is was someone on Bernies team I've got to call it BS.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
KPN
(15,981 posts)Fits The Hills MO.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
mcar
(43,204 posts)And Bernie pledged a "civil" campaign. That's why.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueFlorida
(1,532 posts)by having people like that in his campaign. It is extremely important.
Any other candidate would have fired the organizer.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(86,187 posts)30. Who cares? Why does an idiot who yells expletives get any publicity?
They advocated violence against a woman. That is wrong. Period.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Soph0571
(9,685 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sprinkleeninow
(20,451 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,685 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Chakaconcarne
(2,694 posts)Note to self.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
world wide wally
(21,787 posts)I better run out and vote for Bernie now.
Bernie is kind of like Jesus, Lord save us from his followers.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Evolve Dammit
(18,070 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)One guy yells "F Hillary",
and you ask :
"Have (has) Senator Sanders condemned this outburst from his organizer?
Is this the official stance of the Sanders campaign?
Is this the reaction Senator Sanders wants to elicit with his speech?"
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)what is your boy trying to accomplish here?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(303,029 posts)is try to cover for him.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)This is worse than Biden sniffing someone's hair !!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
robbedvoter
(28,290 posts)it's 5:11PM
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(86,187 posts)Perhaps.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
artislife
(9,497 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
betsuni
(27,121 posts)rant about superdelegates to continue this "rigged" nonsense?
I do think "Fuck Hillary" should be his official campaign slogan.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(303,029 posts)Excellent point, betsuni
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hekate
(93,656 posts)Why can't Bernie?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)Wasn't McCain responding to a single person talking with a silent audience?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hekate
(93,656 posts)He needs to be publicly called out by his boss and fired.
Not ignored. Not glossed over.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...but the post I was responding to was regarding response in the moment. To pick out one voice in that crowd it would have needed to be quite loud. Theres no guarantee he would have been able to hear it.
The audio from the video is of the mic directly in front of Bernie. If it was loud enough for him to hear it should show up there.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hekate
(93,656 posts)Back to what I said: just once I'd like to hear him repudiate the misbehavior of some of his followers. By not doing so once he knows about it, he in essence endorses it.
Which is rather sad for a man with national ambitions.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tom Rinaldo
(22,980 posts)"Appears to be" based on what? the fact that a reporter called him an "organizer"? I've been a grassroots organizer for decades for lots of issues and only once was I paid by anyone, and that was $40 a month by the Abalone Alliance back in 1980.
I did some research on this guy and posted it in post #225 below. More checking can/should be done but it certainly "appears to be" the case that this guy has no official connections to the Sanders campaign. Seems to be strictly on his own with his organizing efforts, if in fact he is still does more than just attend a rally.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hulk
(6,699 posts)A candidate can't be responsible for every idiot in the crowd. This is a nation of morons we live in.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mcar
(43,204 posts)What is he responsible for?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Recursion
(56,582 posts)We had the system we had for a reason, as I fear we may remind ourselves this cycle.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Snake Plissken
(4,103 posts)His cult following is just too much baggage for him to overcome.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
roody
(10,849 posts)Or Libya.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DallasNE
(7,508 posts)Posts like this are really counter productive. People need to leave some of this go. Craig is not the enemy, Trump is so this is taking the eye off the ball. Besides, this just encourages the likes of Craig when the best course of action is to marginalize him. If Craig is part of Sanders staff he should be quietly fired - no fanfare.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
mcar
(43,204 posts)Bernie pledged a civil campaign. One of his staffers screamed abuse at Sanders' former opponent. Sanders should publicly reject such nonsense and fire the staffer.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
McKim
(2,412 posts)Insurance companies hate Medicare for All. That is what this attack is about and also its about getting Democrats to fight among themselves. We have better things to discuss like what we are offering The People with our platform.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DallasNE
(7,508 posts)Was exactly my point. And people are slow on the uptake as to what is really going on.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Mr.Bill
(24,608 posts)Any Trump supporters reading this thread are laughing their ass off.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
EveHammond13
(2,855 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Voltaire2
(14,446 posts)Were you not also done with him yesterday?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LW1977
(1,351 posts)Or lose credibility.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tarc
(10,539 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(152,253 posts)I was a Clinton delegate to the national convention and my youngest child came with me as my guest. She got a visitor pass for the first night and got to see Michele Obama speak.
This is normally an once in a life time experience. i had been working on voter protection and other issues for a long time including running war rooms and training poll watchers. sanders sent one very weak text the Sunday night before the convention that sort of asked his delegates to behave (it was a weak text and the Clinton campaign was not happy with it) and then did little or nothing to control his delegates. It was nasty I was there when the sanders delegates booed Congressman John Lewis. The Clinton campaign had a great whipping infrastructure in place and my whip kept me informed as to the various stunts being pulled by the sanders campaign/delegates. I was warned about the planned stunt of booing Congressman John Lewis 30 minutes before it happened by the Clinton campaign whip. According to my whip, sanders was asked to stop this event and declined. That incident will be used against sanders if he runs in 2020.
I was at the Texas delegation breakfast when a group of sanders delegates marched in and demanded that we condemn Clinton and change our votes to sanders. There was a mini-riot after this demand
sanders spoke to the Texas delegation the next morning and his speech was again solely about himself. There was a mini-riot due to his delegates the prior morning and the only thing that sanders talked about was himself. sanders did nothing to deal with the fact that his delegates were out of control and did nothing to try to help Hillary Clinton win the general election.
Finally a group of sanders delegates yelled at my daughter and called her the c-Word because she would not try to get me to change my vote. Again sanders was asked to tell his delegates to behave during the convention and sanders refused
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mcar
(43,204 posts)It should have been an exciting time for you both.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(152,253 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)It's 100% clear that neither St. Bern nor his minions have learned anything the last three years...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueFlorida
(1,532 posts)has said
1. It was wrong and reprehensible
2. Bernie should condemn this and fire the guy
3. This kind of behavior should never be tolerated.
Instead we see
1. It was a minor thing
2. No need to make a big deal
3. He was just some guy, Bernie had nothing to do with it
4. But... but... Hillary
5. But... but... Obama
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mcar
(43,204 posts)Nothing to see here.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(86,187 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)And nobody is at all surprised.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
aikoaiko
(34,200 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)who you are not going to like... I hope they stay at a minimum though.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
namahage
(1,158 posts)Could you imagine Kamala Harris attracting the racist, misogynist vote?
But if some of those find their way into Bernie's camp, why, that's just evidence of his "broad appeal"!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)I dont Know why, but it is very likely she will attract covert racists if they ever get back in the closet. Just like Obama did.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
namahage
(1,158 posts)he turned against Obama because of a focus on "identity politics."
Which, interestingly enough, has been used as a cudgel primarily by one candidate's supporters.
It wasn't that Obama promised to make his views more acceptable. It's not like he said that not wanting to vote for a candidate because of their race doesn't mean you're racist, for instance.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)He was a racist, and realized he cant support obama for that reason. Other candidates may also lose supporters because they realize they arent the blank canvass they thought they were. UsIng crazy supporters to bash a candidate is not productive if we want to wIn.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
walkingman
(8,123 posts)se from the Trump camp. Beating Trump should be the goal.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)"Is this the official stance of the Sanders campaign?" Can we at least attempt to be serious?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Looks like the "Bernie supporter yelled a bad word about Hillary" is gonna take it's place.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
stillcool
(32,629 posts)sounds almost Russian-esque.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
R B Garr
(17,336 posts)Not fooled by this blatant attempt to create yet another false narrative. Hillarys not running!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(303,029 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(27,121 posts)Crooked Hillary! Is he subconsciously proving his "both sides" message?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(303,029 posts)to make sure they don't. Excellent Divisive Tactics..
Link to tweet
Link to tweet
If burning bridges is your thing.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(27,121 posts)against mere humans. He's running against someone who isn't there, like talking to an empty chair onstage. Clearly, he's not running for president.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
R B Garr
(17,336 posts)and divisive misinformation about superdelegates is such a crutch. Calling Hillary names just to rile. If hes so unhappy with Democrats, makes you wonder......sad.
Thanks for the link, Cha!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(303,029 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(27,121 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
R B Garr
(17,336 posts)It's all too obvious at this point, too.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tom Rinaldo
(22,980 posts)I went looking for more about him because many of the comments above seem to assume this guy is on the Sander's staff and that he is a paid organizer for Bernie Sanders. I thought that displayed a questionable leap of logic without more supporting evidence. I know plenty of grass roots activists who call themselves "organizers" for some cause that they believe in, but they aren't paid by anyone nor do they have any formal organizational ties. They freelance organize as the spirit moves them.
I found one story from 2016 that described "Mark Craig" as "the founder of a grassroots volunteer group in Michigan that supports Bernie Sanders"
https://www.reddit.com/r/Kossacks_for_Sanders/comments/4bxepm/ryan_hughes_mi_and_pa_bernie_state_director/?depth=2
I found another from 2016 where he was featured in a (Flint Michigan) human interest story
"Flint, Michigan: Where the pipes poison the water and even the nice parts of town are dotted with vacant homes"
"A generation ago, in a different world, Mark Craig, the founder of an organization called 'Flint 4 Bernie,' was living the textbook American dream...
https://nationalpost.com/news/world/flint-michigan
The guy came off in that story as a fervent Sanders supporter, clearly, but self activated and not in anyway coordinating with the Sanders campaign. Here's some insight into him:
"Craig left Flint right out of high school. He spent 22 years in the Navy before leaving to sell boats in Florida. He came back six years ago after Michigan legalized medical marijuana. He grows his own now, for himself and five others. Its good stuff, he says. Potent. His girlfriend swears by it. Its good for her arthritis...
...Craig comes from politics, the local kind. His dad was a union organizer. His moms a Democratic party lifer. Over the past forty years, Craig has volunteered for every big name Democrat thats come around. Carter was the best of them, he said. Bill Clinton was the worst.
Craig quit the party recently. He only rejoined to volunteer for Bernie Sanders, the Vermont senator and self-described socialist running Hillary Clinton a close second in Iowa. I figured it was our one chance to get an honest person elected, he said. Ive had too many Bushes and too many Clintons.
Every weekend since last spring, Craig has parked the Bern Unit at the Flint farmers market. He hands out home-pressed buttons and signs up voters..."
I don't know if it all has changed this time around and now he is the Sanders inner circle as a core paid organizer, but that seems improbable. More likely Craig is still a passionate Sanders supporter doing what he thinks he can to help a politician he believes in.
Screaming anti Hillary Clinton obscenities in a rally crowd does Bernie Sanders no good of course, but nothing suggests that Craig had any significant role in organizing that rally. His outburst was as stupid as it was ugly. I unhesitatingly personally "Condemn it", but there are a lot of passionate people in the world who say and do dumb ass things who I usually don't get a chance to weigh in personally to condemn them.
Calling Mark Craig out is one thing. Implying that he has some important official role in the Sanders campaign is another, and unless someone produces evidence that he does, than in my book he is just some over the top guy who clearly has strong beliefs but lacks some rudimentary political judgement. NOT SOMEONE WORKING FOR BERNIE SANDERS
...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
artislife
(9,497 posts)Thank you for taking the time.
There is a lot of frothing at the mouth and crazy pounding on the keyboards while it is still so early...
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
TwilightZone
(26,998 posts)Sources, including a couple of Washington Post reporters, said he was a Sanders organizer.
Those aren't even remotely the same thing.
Apparently, he likes the C-word, too.
Link to tweet
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tom Rinaldo
(22,980 posts)The wide spread implication throughout this thread is that Sanders employs this guy and that Sanders should fire this guy etc. And that the fact that Sanders hasn't publicly fired him makes Sanders directly complicit. The jerk IS a strong Sanders supporter, yes. So are hundreds of thousands others. No candidate monitors what each of their loyal supporters might scream out at a large rally.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TwilightZone
(26,998 posts)"I see someone identified as "M(a)rk Craig" being described as "a Bernie Sanders organizer"."
An organizer is someone who organizes - they find and train volunteers, oversee workers, and/or oversee fund-raising, etc. Craig clearly fits the description as noted in your own sources.
Who cares what people in this thread say? Your argument is that he's not an organizer and that sources who claim otherwise are inaccurate. He is *clearly* an organizer. The descriptions of him as such are accurate.
You're trying much too hard to write this guy off as just some random dude who showed up and bleated expletives.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tom Rinaldo
(22,980 posts)I did not know if he was or wasn't when I started searching,but I saw a lot of people on this thread draw that conclusion without having facts to support it. The distinction matters to me because I agreed with those who said that Sanders should fire the guy if he was on staff, except most of them blew past the "if " part.
My point was always that he is not staff, nor embedded in the Sanders campaign.
I am not writing him off as a random dude. He's a hard core volunteer activist supporter. He is not, however, part of the Sanders campaign and many above thought otherwise
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
quickesst
(6,298 posts)Randi Rhodes
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)Randi was dead to me and she remains that way to this very day.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
quickesst
(6,298 posts)Some things you just can't come back from, and that day she stepped into the abyss. The praise she receives here now quite frankly, turns my stomach.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(303,029 posts)Kicked.. because.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Randi Rhodes passed beyond a path to redemption on that day for me. Once she crossed the threshold, I slapped a lock on the door, and threw the key into a virtual crocodile pit.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(303,029 posts)quickest!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
quickesst
(6,298 posts).... and right back at ya!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
JI7
(90,115 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bloom
(11,636 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(70,677 posts)This Hillary supporter won't support Sanders in the primary...general yes . Primary no.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
JudyM
(29,484 posts)cue The Big Outrage. Because if theres anything to throw at Sanders, we must madly hump it.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(303,029 posts)this "BS organizer".
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)is gonna be this high school level stuff.
Some random idiot in a crowd yells out FU Hillary so of course Bernie and his whole entire movement are guilty and should be banished to the outer darkness immediately!
I mean wow.....
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
JudyM
(29,484 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(303,029 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NCLefty
(3,678 posts)Someone should ask Bernie about this.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MyNameGoesHere
(7,638 posts)The Independent Senator from Vermont's victory as the newest member of the club of the 1%? Like you know, in your face Hillary, we're millionaires too kind of thing?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(303,029 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
samnsara
(18,115 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(152,253 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(303,029 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(303,029 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)Someone needs to tell them, it's 2019 and Hillary isn't running.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(303,029 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BooScout
(10,407 posts)What a way to attract the millions of Clinton voters who they absolutely need to win. If anyone thinks the Clinton base is going to sit back and have insults hurled left and right they would be vastly underestimating the power of our support and the ultimate prize....our vote.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(152,253 posts)Link to tweet
One thing that could be healthy for the Democratic Party to unify is for Senator Sanders and Secretary Clinton to meet and to articulate the common goal of defeating Donald Trump, said Rep. Ro Khanna (D-Calif.), a national co-chair of the Sanders campaign.
There were some flashes of enmity toward Clinton in the crowds that Sanders attracted on a recent swing through Midwestern states where she lost to Trump. They complained that Clinton didnt campaign there enough, accused her allies of trying to undermine Sanders and, in the case of one man, blurted out a profane insult with her name.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(303,029 posts)One thing that could be healthy for the Democratic Party to unify is for Senator Sanders and Secretary Clinton to meet and to articulate the common goal of defeating Donald Trump, said Rep. Ro Khanna (D-Calif.), a national co-chair of the Sanders campaign.
Thanks for this, Goth!
Link to tweet
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Turbineguy
(38,109 posts)too stupid to go to the right rally.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(303,029 posts)staffer in Michigan.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
artislife
(9,497 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(303,029 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
artislife
(9,497 posts)Upline. This tweet is only hearsay, IMO. YMMV
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(303,029 posts)so there's that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)...I'm sure he's still got it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(303,029 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Lucid Dreamer
(589 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided