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Thu Apr 2, 2020, 10:50 PM

 

Hypothetical: If Sanders dies of coronavirus, what should happen to the primary?

I know this is terrible. BUT Donald Trump, Bernie Sanders, and Joe Biden all have slightly increased risk of death of coronavirus due to age...and not to mention how Donald Trump is handling the pandemic. If Donald Trump dies, it's clear that Mike Pence becomes President and would move forward running. And there is already a thread asking about the situation if Biden died.

So now I am going to ask what happens if Sanders dies. This is more likely than a scenario where Biden might die because of Sanders' health. People with heart disease have a greater risk of serious outcomes during the coronavirus outbreak. This hypothetical also has a lot of similarity to a scenario where Sanders just up and concedes. BUT there are also some significant differences, primarily because ending the primary run would not have been voluntary.

Question#1: For Bernie Sanders supporters (and any Undecideds who wish to answer) only: will you support Joe Biden in the general election? and just throw support to him generally speaking?

Personally, I will support him 100% with the exception of some nuances as discussed below that really are not related to Electoral politics except indirectly. (I will support him but I might not support preempting the primary without proportional representation.)

Go Democrats!

Question#2: For Joe Biden supporters (and any Undecideds who with to answer) only: Given that the primary is actually about more than just electoral politics, it's also about getting delegates to democratically influence the Party Platform and the DNC staff, how would you guarantee continued democracy, i.e. proportionally representation of progressive Democrats at the National Convention if Bernie Sanders died?

This question is a bit complex and relies on an understanding of exactly what delegates and the convention entail and while I've made mention of it before, there seems to be a huge focus on Bernie Sanders as a person, attacking him as a narcissist, and not properly addressing the needs of democracy. I don't know how well I am explaining this so let me repeat it in another way.

Bernie Sanders is a nice guy. Joe Biden is a nice guy. It would be terrible if either of them died. Bernie Sanders is still just a person, but he currently is representing something bigger than himself. He is the current representative of the progressive side of the Democratic Party and Joe Biden is the current representative of the moderate side, even though Joe is also somewhat progressive. Many Democrats are voting ideologically along this sort-of line and some are not, but still many are. The delegates for Bernie that he would hypothetically receive will tend to a much greater extent to be progressive and the delegates for Joe will tend to be less so, more moderate. Now if the population in the Democratic Party is 40% progressive and 60% moderate and Bernie were to quit immediately, the ideological population of delegates at the convention would be more like 25% progressive and 75% moderate.

This would create a situation where moderates would have undue influence over the platform and other decisions of the body. It would be less fair than if Bernie were to continue up to the time of the convention where actual proportional representation of progressives could be achieved or approximately so.

So my question again is how will Biden supporters guarantee no ideological group (in this case moderates) would have undue influence in the Party if Bernie Sanders were to die?

Go Democracy!
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Reply Hypothetical: If Sanders dies of coronavirus, what should happen to the primary? (Original post)
Don1 Apr 2020 OP
brewens Apr 2020 #1
Sloumeau Apr 2020 #35
The Magistrate Apr 2020 #2
TwilightZone Apr 2020 #8
The Magistrate Apr 2020 #13
TwilightZone Apr 2020 #16
Thomas Hurt Apr 2020 #3
SCantiGOP Apr 2020 #4
Mr.Bill Apr 2020 #5
nolawarlock Apr 2020 #73
zackymilly Apr 2020 #6
LizBeth Apr 2020 #7
zackymilly Apr 2020 #9
Polybius Apr 2020 #18
msongs Apr 2020 #21
Polybius Apr 2020 #22
LakeArenal Apr 2020 #24
Polybius Apr 2020 #26
Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #34
Polybius Apr 2020 #39
Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #47
LakeArenal Apr 2020 #37
Polybius Apr 2020 #40
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Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #36
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Response to Don1 (Original post)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 10:52 PM

1. Weekend at Bernies 3? n/t

 

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

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Response to brewens (Reply #1)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 11:31 PM

35. ROFL

 

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Response to Don1 (Original post)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 10:53 PM

2. This Is Getting Awfully Silly, Sir

 

It is a trap on the level of the one Pooh and Piglet set for Hephalumps....

Primaries do not serve just for the Presidential line, but to nominate candidates for state and local offices.So they would be held, one way or another, at one time or another.

People can vote for whomever is listed on a ballot. People have voted for dead candidates, and dead candidates have even won on occasion.

There really is not much more to be said on the matter.

Clearly some supporters of 'Bernie' dream the vulture's dream; this is clear from various social media where the hope is expressed.

Supporters of Mr. Biden know it would make no difference at all, that Mr. Biden would open the convention with a solid majority of delegates, whatever happens.





"From Bernieís perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they donít want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."
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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #2)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 10:57 PM

8. I was thinking more along the lines of...

 

J. R. R. Tolkien and bridges.
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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #8)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 11:03 PM

13. You May Notice The Edit, Sir

 

That was just an initial marker, to reserve an early place.

No need to liken 'Bernie' to a Balrog, that would seem to overstate the case considerably. A servant of 'the dark flame of Udun' is something that has a little class....





"From Bernieís perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they donít want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."
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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #13)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 11:11 PM

16. I was referencing...

 

the OP, not the candidate.
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Response to Don1 (Original post)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 10:55 PM

3. I'll bite, it will be sad and tragic and then what will happen is what was going to happen...

 

if Bernie hadn't died.
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Response to Don1 (Original post)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 10:55 PM

4. Pure bullshit

 

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Response to Don1 (Original post)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 10:55 PM

5. Actually from my sampling of the Bernie supporters I have met

 

I believe most of them would still vote for him if he was dead.
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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #5)

Sat Apr 4, 2020, 12:13 AM

73. Pretty much the same here. n/t

 

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Response to Don1 (Original post)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 10:55 PM

6. I think some people believe Bernie has more influence in this election than he actually does. n/t

 

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Response to Don1 (Original post)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 10:56 PM

7. Sanders is irrelevant. He has lost. The primary is over. Regardless of Sanders present actions.

 

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Response to Don1 (Original post)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 10:58 PM

9. More important: Would Jane have to mow all 3 lawns by herself? n/t

 

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Response to zackymilly (Reply #9)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 11:12 PM

18. It's not the amount of houses that counts

 

Biden is worth 9 times as much as Bernie. What Bernie decides to do with his money is his business.
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Response to Polybius (Reply #18)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 11:16 PM

21. bernie is always criticizing other people who have loads of money lol

 

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Response to msongs (Reply #21)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 11:18 PM

22. Besides Mayor Pete and possibly Tulsi, everyone running had more than him

 

And one of those three houses barely counts as a house by the way. The other is a seasonal home.
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Response to Polybius (Reply #22)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 11:24 PM

24. Tell that to a homeless guy living in his car.

 

Itís all relative.
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Response to LakeArenal (Reply #24)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 11:26 PM

26. Sure, that's awful but what is Bernie supposed to do?

 

If he sold two of those homes and donated it to the homeless, it wouldn't even put a dent in homelessness. His policies as President sure would help though.
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Response to Polybius (Reply #26)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 11:30 PM

34. He won't be president because he lost the primary. And his policies would only help if he won the

 

General which looking at the numbers in blue wall states, he won't. Why would you want a candidate who has very little AA support to be our nominee...we would lose.
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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #34)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 11:34 PM

39. Obviously

 

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At this point it would take a miracle. He would have had a lot more AA support if Biden wasn't running, who is very popular with AA's. Bernie did his part since the 60's, he was a champion of AA's.
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Response to Polybius (Reply #39)

Fri Apr 3, 2020, 12:04 AM

47. He has never attracted AA voters...he had four years to remedy this...and yet apparently a plan was

 

hatched to win with around 30% of the vote in a crowded field. He never attempted to win AA voters over or Clinton supporters like me either. I actually voted for Sanders in the primary in Ohio. But I was fine with Clinton...like both of them at the time. Now I don't like Sanders....really I don't. He needs to suspend his campaign and support Biden so we can beat Trump which is all that matters.
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Response to Polybius (Reply #26)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 11:32 PM

37. Geezus. No Bernie should not sell his house.

 

Just donít pretended he doesnít have plenty of money. All this crap of what about everyone having more money.
Well Bernie has more money than most of us so quit whining.
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Response to LakeArenal (Reply #37)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 11:35 PM

40. zackymilly started it

 

That poster brought up Bernie's houses, not me.
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Response to Polybius (Reply #40)

Fri Apr 3, 2020, 01:14 AM

56. You asked me what's he supposed to do. You.

 

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Response to LakeArenal (Reply #56)

Fri Apr 3, 2020, 01:54 PM

63. And I'll still ask

 

His finances are his business. Of the two remaining candidates, he's the one with less money.
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Response to Polybius (Reply #22)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 11:31 PM

36. Mayor Pete is not as wealthy as Sanders is...

 

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #36)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 11:36 PM

41. Um, no kidding, I just said that

 

I wrote in post 22 "Besides Mayor Pete and possibly Tulsi, everyone running had more than him."
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Response to Polybius (Reply #41)

Fri Apr 3, 2020, 12:00 AM

45. My mistake.

 

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Response to Polybius (Reply #22)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 11:54 PM

43. $600,000

 

Seasonal home?
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Response to Polybius (Reply #18)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 11:27 PM

28. Sing it!!

 


Bernie/Elizabeth 2020!!
They're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the Revolution!!
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Response to Polybius (Reply #18)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 11:33 PM

38. Biden wasn't that wealthy when he was in the Senate or Vice President.

 

He would have had to sell his house to pay for his kid's medical if Pres. Obama had not stepped in.
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Response to Polybius (Reply #18)

Fri Apr 3, 2020, 07:16 PM

64. Are you for real?

 

The poster was asking if Jane Sanders would need to mow all three lawns if, heaven forbid, Bernie pass away.

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Response to ahoysrcsm (Reply #64)

Fri Apr 3, 2020, 10:50 PM

68. Real as they get

 

And I doubt they mow their own lawns either.
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Response to Don1 (Original post)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 11:00 PM

10. The primary has been over for a while and so this will make little difference

 


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Response to Gothmog (Reply #10)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 11:01 PM

12. The primary isn't over.

 

The Convention hasn't happened.

You didn't answer the question.
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Response to Don1 (Reply #12)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 11:10 PM

14. In the real world the primary is over

 

70% of the party has rejected sanders and so no one would care if sanders is not at the convention. Hopefully there would be a moment of silence for sanders at the convention at the same time we honor a real Democrat like Elijah Cummings.
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Response to Don1 (Reply #12)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 11:12 PM

17. The race is over. Sanders has literally a 0% chance of winning the nomination.

 

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-primary-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo
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Response to Don1 (Reply #12)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 11:28 PM

30. No primary goes all the way to the convention...it is over. Mathematically Sanders can't win.

 

And he will not be our nominee in any scenario, you choose.
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Response to Don1 (Reply #12)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 11:28 PM

31. You won't get an answer... don't have one.

 


Bernie/Elizabeth 2020!!
They're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the Revolution!!
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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #31)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 11:29 PM

33. He got three answers.

 

All of them more accurate than his (or your) assertions.
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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #33)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 11:40 PM

42. I did not get any good answers.

 

Someone will take it seriously eventually and give a great answer. In fact, multiple people will. I will be patient.
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Response to Don1 (Reply #42)

Fri Apr 3, 2020, 12:07 AM

48. If you seek agreement, I fear you will have to answer yourself. JK

 

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Response to Don1 (Reply #42)

Fri Apr 3, 2020, 12:27 AM

53. In case you get hungry while you're waiting.

 

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Response to Don1 (Reply #42)

Fri Apr 3, 2020, 12:57 AM

55. True dat!!

 


Bernie/Elizabeth 2020!!
They're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the Revolution!!
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Response to Don1 (Reply #42)

Fri Apr 3, 2020, 10:25 AM

61. You don't want answers.

 

Your assertions make it clear that your intent is to disrupt.
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Response to Don1 (Reply #42)

Fri Apr 3, 2020, 07:20 PM

66. You Got Answers You Do Not Want To Engage, Sir

 

Sanders in his colossal egotism conflates support for certain policy goals with desire for him to be the leader of a movement to achieve those goals.

This is nonesense.

Even leaving aside the fact that most of those goals are general among Democratic voters and enjoy broad support among Democratic office-holders and Party officials, virtually no one, not even among Sanders' supporters, thinks he can actually achieve them should he come to hold the highest office in the land.

Expressions of support for Sanders are made as a marker of political orientation. Expressing support for Sanders says 'I'm not a moderate, I'm well to the left of most people', and as with most such things, serves to identify a 'cool' group separate from the general run of 'squares'. People doing this do not even particularly want to prevail, in the sense of being in the majority. It is axiomatic that a majority can never be 'cool', the feeling of being 'hip' and part of an 'in-crowd' depends on being outnumbered by the host of the unwashed and unenlightened. The point is not to achieve any political goal, to secure any discrete reform, it is simply to be sure one is perceived as a particular, and special, kind of person.

People who have an actual interest in achieving the goals widespread among Democrats, the goals of all left and progressive and liberal persons in general, recognize readily Sanders is far too flawed as a politician, and as a personality, to make any progress towards their goals. They know Sanders has not achieved any measurable advance towards them in his long Congressional career. They know Sanders' claim to hold patents and copyrights on these goals is nonesense, because they know their own desires pre-date Sanders, and exist in their hearts and minds without the slightest reference to him or influence by him.

In short, while Sanders imagines himself to be the indispensable man, an overwhelming majority of Democratic voters are clear in their minds that Sanders is quite dispensable, and are determined to see him disposed of, as soon as possible.





"From Bernieís perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they donít want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."
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Response to Don1 (Original post)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 11:00 PM

11. Even though Sanders is at risk...

 

The chances of him dying from COVID-19 are quite small, aren't they?
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Response to Dopers_Greed (Reply #11)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 11:11 PM

15. sanders faces a far higher risk due to his heart attack

 

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Response to Don1 (Original post)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 11:14 PM

19. Bazinga!

 

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Response to Don1 (Original post)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 11:14 PM

20. He should suspend his campaign for a week?

 

A guy can dream . . .
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Response to ucrdem (Reply #20)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 11:24 PM

25. That's terrible.

 

It also doesn't answer the op question.
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Response to ucrdem (Reply #20)

Fri Apr 3, 2020, 12:00 AM

46. Biden has moved on to the general election

 

No one is paying attention to sanders now Biden is running against trump now
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Response to Gothmog (Reply #46)

Fri Apr 3, 2020, 01:54 AM

59. True but he still has his little pile of brickbats

 

and his band of salaried catapulters. He'll soon start the same tricks he pulled in 2016, challenging Biden to non-existent debates, getting in front of every camera he can find, and he'll ALWAYS find a camera, to nastily pick some nit or other and generally make a nuisance of himself. Mark my words.
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Response to ucrdem (Reply #20)

Sat Apr 4, 2020, 02:08 PM

83. He might actually drop out in that event

 

But then Jane might take up the banner.
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Response to treestar (Reply #83)

Sat Apr 4, 2020, 02:34 PM

84. Something like that would be inevitable.

 

At the very least a write-in campaign. And if it's close again that might add just enough cover in a few key states to leverage another EC cheat-win.

Which is probably the game plan anyway.
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Response to Don1 (Original post)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 11:20 PM

23. Governor Cuomo becomes President! That woman from Michigan becomes VP!

 

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Response to OverBurn (Reply #23)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 11:28 PM

29. "That woman" you mean Governor Gretchen Whitmer?

 

She just might make VP.
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Response to LakeArenal (Reply #29)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 11:59 PM

44. That woman

 

Is referring to what Trump called her. She got in Trumpís face. Just like Nancy. He refuses to speak to her. Refused to have her at the bill signing. Such a petty, little excuse of a man.
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Response to Don1 (Original post)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 11:26 PM

27. You offer a false premise with hypothetical numbers. In order to have influence,you must win.

 

So the answer to your question is if Sander were to die which would be a tragedy nothing would happen, the primary is over. Biden has won the nomination. Now if Biden chooses to he could add some of Sander's ideas to the platform...but he doesn't have to do this. To the victor go the spoils. As Sanders and others should have learned long ago, if you want influence you have to be able to win an election or a primary. Why should Biden who has trounced sanders be expected to give anything to the losing side? He can of course if he thinks it will help with unification but looking at what happened in the 16 General, it won't.
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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #27)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 11:29 PM

32. Nah. Just a daisy-chain of the same bs.

 

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Response to LakeArenal (Reply #32)

Fri Apr 3, 2020, 12:10 AM

49. Exactly and lets face it...platforms are pretty much meaningless in my opinion these days.

 

What is important is that which is possible to pass thorough Congress and sign into law...Sanders staying in doesn't just hurt us in the General but in down ballot races as well...we really need the Senate and to retain the House.
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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #49)

Fri Apr 3, 2020, 01:16 AM

57. For me... Just beat trump.

 

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #27)

Fri Apr 3, 2020, 12:10 AM

50. Only the Russians believe a US President would necessarily consider the party platform as canon.

 

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Response to Marcuse (Reply #50)

Fri Apr 3, 2020, 12:13 AM

51. That is very true which is why they wanted Trump to change the GOP platform. And he did.

 

He is constantly kissing Putin's....well you know. One wonders exactly what Putin has on Trump.
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Response to Don1 (Original post)

Fri Apr 3, 2020, 12:16 AM

52. You Are Using This To Trot Out Your Old Proposal, Sir

 

Which we have crossed words over before.

You want to strike a deal by which 'Bernie' supporters receive a proportion of delegates you feel is appropriate to what you feel is the actual balance of voters in the Democratic Party, whatever the actual votes may be.

You suppose that forty percent are what you call 'progressive' and sixty percent are what you call 'moderate' and you think delegates should be apportioned accordingly.

First, understand being out-voted three to two in a democratic body entitles the minority to nothing at all. Anything short of a majority has only what influence the majority may choose to grant it. That, Sir, actually is Democracy, as it has always been practiced, and still is practiced today. No proposal, no plank, no change of rules, not the slightest motion, which is opposed by sixty percent of convention delegates, can pass or ought to be passed.

Second, the only way the forty percent could attempt getting anything they have not the votes to carry, and the majority is in no mood to grant, is by some threat the majority feels it must acquiesce to. Disruption on the floor, or withholding of votes in the general election, whether by calving off into a third party, or by voting instead for the opposing party's candidates, or by sitting on their hands and not voting at all. As a matter of curiousity, Sir, which do you think the forty percent ought to choose among these threats, to bend the majority to their will?

Third, though it must remain a matter of opinion, it certainly seems to me your gauging of factional strength within the Party wildly overstates the strength of the faction you support. That would best be judged by total vote tallies, not by delegate strength, as a fair number of votes do not result in delegates being alloted --- candidates failing to achieve a one vote in six threshold in a primary, or receiving votes after they have ceased standing for the nomination. It is quite fair to take as the voting strength of the 'moderate' faction the total of all primary votes cast for anyone but Sanders. After all, the Sanders campaign regarded all opponents as moderates, as figures who were nowhere near so 'progressive' as was 'Bernie', and that they proved themselves in the final analysis to be mere tools wielded by the 'Democratic Establishment', which prevailed on them to cease active candidacy to the detriment of Sanders' campaign. Voters supporting Sen. Warren may well consider themselves to the left of the typical moderate, but support for Sen. Warren included active rejection of 'Bernie' as a standard bearer for progressive policies. As matters have worked out, her bloc of voters has been pretty solid for Mr. Biden. Taking all this together, roughly seventy percent of Democratic primary voters cast their ballots against Sanders, and this is a good deal closer to the seventy-five percent 'moderate' twenty-five percent 'progressive' split you proclaim unfair to your 'progressive' faction.

Fourth, if you define 'progressive' as people who would stick with allegiance to 'Bernie' through thick and thin, the twenty-five to thirty percent who voted for Sanders in primaries is likely a considerable overstatement of 'progressive' strength. The largest portion of Sanders' supporters seem likely to be quite willing to swing behind the candidate who prevailed in the primary, and opened the convention with a solid majority of delegates. They are not likely to support disruption by Sanders delegates, or other actions they think likely to do harm to the effort to turf out the cheap thug Trump in the general election.

Understand, having two fifths of delegates does not mean two fifths of the decisions go your way. Any more than having a quarter of the delegates means a quarter of the decisions go your way. Whether you have two fifths of the delegates or one quarter of the delegates, the majority of delegates gets its way on any question its members are serious about prevailing on, and it may well be their will to prevail on every single thing which comes to the floor. And that actually is Democracy, Sir, as it has been practiced for ages.





"From Bernieís perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they donít want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."
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Response to Don1 (Original post)

Fri Apr 3, 2020, 12:55 AM

54. What the actual fuck? I just googled this shit, it's a great way to answer...questions

 

Enjoy. I guess.

https://www.vox.com/2020/3/27/21186614/what-happens-presidential-nominee-coronavirus
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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #54)

Fri Apr 3, 2020, 01:19 AM

58. Did you just find another Don the con?

 

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Response to William769 (Reply #58)

Fri Apr 3, 2020, 03:02 AM

60. Apparently

 

JFC. Iím annoyed

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Response to Don1 (Original post)

Fri Apr 3, 2020, 11:07 AM

62. What should happen to the Primary? That's your question.

 

To Which Primary do you refer? Or are you referring to the Convention?

It's very unlikely that either Joe Biden or Bernie Sanders will die prior to the Democratic Nominating Convention. Both are isolating themselves in their homes, pretty much, and avoiding risks associated with the COVID-19 pandemic.

If, in the unlikely circumstance that one of them died before the convention, their names would still appear on the primary ballots in the states still left to hold their primaries. There are multiple such states. In any state, delegates would be allocated proportionally between the candidates, as usual, unless a candidate died prior to that allocation taking place.

However, at the convention, a candidate who had died would not be put forward for nomination. Therefore, any delegates allocated for that candidate would be free to vote for a nominated candidate. Since there will only be two candidates put forward, assuming that neither has died, the death of one candidate would reduce the number of potential nominees to just one. Nomination by acclamation would, no doubt, be the result.

While it might be possible for another candidate's name to be put forward, that would seem to me to be a very unlikely thing to happen.

In actual fact, both candidates will almost certainly still be alive at the time of the Convention. The odds dictate that pretty clearly. What will happen then is that the candidate who has the majority of delegates will win the nomination. It's very simple.

Beyond that, I will not bite on your offering. I can see the hook embedded in it.

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Response to Don1 (Original post)

Fri Apr 3, 2020, 07:20 PM

65. If anything, you should self delete.

 

Pulling this crap against Biden, then against Bernie.
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Response to Don1 (Original post)

Fri Apr 3, 2020, 08:38 PM

67. The primaries should still take place, if possible.

 

There are down allot races and local issues on the ballot.
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Response to Don1 (Original post)

Fri Apr 3, 2020, 11:43 PM

69. Another dark, macabre and morbid post

 

hypothetical or not
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Response to Don1 (Original post)

Fri Apr 3, 2020, 11:51 PM

70. what a circlejerk

 

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Response to Don1 (Original post)

Sat Apr 4, 2020, 12:01 AM

71. Knock it the fuck off. nt

 

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Response to Don1 (Original post)

Sat Apr 4, 2020, 12:12 AM

72. Turn it into a party? n/t

 

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Response to Don1 (Original post)

Sat Apr 4, 2020, 03:02 AM

74. Just stop this nonsense. You've received many substantive answers to your Vulture Posts...

 

...have ignored them all, and generally continue as someone who is stirring the pot or chumming the waters, take your pick.

Cut it out.
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Response to Hekate (Reply #74)

Sat Apr 4, 2020, 03:31 AM

75. Hear Hear, Ma'am

 

The decent thing would be self-delete, and hope the shambles sinks quickly....





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Response to Hekate (Reply #74)

Sat Apr 4, 2020, 04:29 AM

76. No not really.

 

Weekend at Bernies is not substantive.

Long long posts that come down to not answering is not answering.

Your post is also not an answer.

Do you have one?
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Response to Don1 (Reply #76)

Sat Apr 4, 2020, 09:29 AM

80. Stop this nonsense was the best answer you deserve.

 

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Response to MrsCoffee (Reply #80)

Sat Apr 4, 2020, 12:12 PM

81. No it isn't.

 

Ensuring democratic principles is a far better answer.
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Response to Don1 (Original post)

Sat Apr 4, 2020, 04:51 AM

77. Well...

 

... I see others' answers and I will answer re: Votes. I don't think it would make much difference in the number of votes Biden gets in the GE. The majority of Bernie voters will come around and vote for the Democrat. There is a small group of voters - sometimes called "Bros" here - that will jump ship. They are ship jumpers, anyway. They will speculate about how Biden, Hillary, and/or Obama had Bernie killed because they knew he would eventually win the Democratic nomination and become President. These kind of groups make up wild stories and "conspiracy theories" all the time. Trump has a group of them, too...

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Response to Don1 (Original post)

Sat Apr 4, 2020, 07:17 AM

78. Many would be sad. But it would make no political difference.

 

BS has made himself irrelevant.

Only his most...er...dim followers don't see that.
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Response to Don1 (Original post)

Sat Apr 4, 2020, 02:06 PM

82. As I said in the mirror thread,

 

what does it matter what they die of?

What if they both die? What if Dumpf dies too?

It never made sense to execute the Romanovs. Even if you get rid of the entire nuclear family, there is someone next in line. They may be a third cousin, but they are next in line for the throne.
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Response to Don1 (Original post)

Sun Apr 5, 2020, 08:05 PM

85. Democrats have a socially distanced funeral ceremony, and a

 

lot of Democratic dignitaries say nice things about him, lead by our nominee. Trump is not invited, so tweets a few anti-Democratic whackjob offerings about himself.
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