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Sat Apr 4, 2020, 01:55 PM

 

Remember all the excitement among Sanders supporters when Rogan endorsed Bernie?

Sorry, it's Breitbart but direct quotes.


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JOE ROGAN: "I’d rather vote for Trump than [Biden]. I don’t think he can handle anything. You’re relying entirely on his cabinet." https://trib.al/vJeJBdu
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Reply Remember all the excitement among Sanders supporters when Rogan endorsed Bernie? (Original post)
mcar Apr 2020 OP
True Blue American Apr 2020 #1
HarlanPepper Apr 2020 #66
OAITW r.2.0 Apr 2020 #2
Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #29
rockfordfile Apr 2020 #70
Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #74
Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #68
Gothmog Apr 2020 #3
TomCADem Apr 2020 #37
BidenBacker Apr 2020 #38
sheshe2 Apr 2020 #51
BidenBacker Apr 2020 #4
Sloumeau Apr 2020 #6
mcar Apr 2020 #7
BidenBacker Apr 2020 #9
mcar Apr 2020 #12
BidenBacker Apr 2020 #13
mcar Apr 2020 #19
Sloumeau Apr 2020 #5
genxlib Apr 2020 #8
PatSeg Apr 2020 #16
BidenBacker Apr 2020 #17
PatSeg Apr 2020 #32
BidenBacker Apr 2020 #33
PatSeg Apr 2020 #36
sheshe2 Apr 2020 #52
TwilightZone Apr 2020 #10
Cha Apr 2020 #22
William769 Apr 2020 #11
FelineOverlord Apr 2020 #14
Cha Apr 2020 #21
peggysue2 Apr 2020 #23
Cha Apr 2020 #31
sheshe2 Apr 2020 #53
Cha Apr 2020 #55
sheshe2 Apr 2020 #56
Cha Apr 2020 #57
sheshe2 Apr 2020 #58
Cha Apr 2020 #59
sheshe2 Apr 2020 #60
SidDithers Apr 2020 #15
mcar Apr 2020 #20
NurseJackie Apr 2020 #24
mcar Apr 2020 #47
NurseJackie Apr 2020 #49
LizBeth Apr 2020 #18
NurseJackie Apr 2020 #25
LizBeth Apr 2020 #26
sheshe2 Apr 2020 #54
jorgevlorgan Apr 2020 #27
BidenBacker Apr 2020 #30
jorgevlorgan Apr 2020 #34
BidenBacker Apr 2020 #35
jorgevlorgan Apr 2020 #39
TwilightZone Apr 2020 #41
jorgevlorgan Apr 2020 #44
rockfordfile Apr 2020 #73
BidenBacker Apr 2020 #42
rockfordfile Apr 2020 #72
Just_Vote_Dem Apr 2020 #75
TwilightZone Apr 2020 #40
BidenBacker Apr 2020 #43
Gore1FL Apr 2020 #45
rockfordfile Apr 2020 #71
morillon Apr 2020 #28
Cha Apr 2020 #46
kcr Apr 2020 #64
The Magistrate Apr 2020 #65
la-trucker Apr 2020 #48
The Magistrate Apr 2020 #50
la-trucker Apr 2020 #63
BlueIdaho Apr 2020 #61
Hortensis Apr 2020 #62
Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #67
mcar Apr 2020 #69
zackymilly Apr 2020 #76

Response to mcar (Original post)

Sat Apr 4, 2020, 01:57 PM

1. Who is Joe Rogan?

 

Last edited Mon Apr 6, 2020, 11:43 AM - Edit history (1)

But I don’t care, do you?
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Response to True Blue American (Reply #1)

Mon Apr 6, 2020, 11:22 AM

66. White nationalist who has a podcast other white nationalists like.

 

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Response to mcar (Original post)

Sat Apr 4, 2020, 02:04 PM

2. He's a comedian....he's in character? This is for laughs, right?

 

You go from far left to core Trump Republicanism? Sorry Joe, methinks you never really cared about a Sander's Presidency in the 1st place.
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Response to OAITW r.2.0 (Reply #2)

Sat Apr 4, 2020, 05:16 PM

29. Rogan was never voting for Sanders anyway...operation chaos.

 

He is a racist homophobic, sexist punk who gives air time to the likes of proud boys...fuck him.
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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #29)

Mon Apr 6, 2020, 07:25 PM

70. yes the "proud boys" are a racist un-American thugs

 

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Response to rockfordfile (Reply #70)

Mon Apr 6, 2020, 07:36 PM

74. Yes they are...scum.

 

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Response to OAITW r.2.0 (Reply #2)

Mon Apr 6, 2020, 12:05 PM

68. Joe says it is comedy but it is more than that...very angry guy...and he gave the Proud boys

 

air time...my kid (son) liked him. I forbade him to listen in the house. If I walked by and heard the bastard, I was mostly enraged...didn't want my kid admiring someone like this...well one day he said that Gay's were made that way by being molested as children and were a danger to children as they were likely to molest children as well. My daughter is Gay. When my son heard his sister attacked this way, he told me I was right and has never listened to idiot Rogan who likes to pretend he is smart. Of course, I still have to endure Special Fred...I think he does it to piss me off!
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Response to mcar (Original post)

Sat Apr 4, 2020, 02:10 PM

3. I am not surprised

 


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Response to Gothmog (Reply #3)

Sat Apr 4, 2020, 06:10 PM

37. South Carolina GOP Leaders Plot to Boost Bernie Sanders in Dem Primary

 

I think this is what happens when Bernie welcomes folks who are generally hostile to Democrats and progressive causes. Rather than shun them, Bernie has built his campaign on animosity toward Democrats. Thus, you really have to take the complaints about Bernie voters not voting for Biden with a grain of salt.

For example, in South Carolina, do you think all the Republicans who voted for Bernie would still vote for him against Trump?

https://www.thedailybeast.com/south-carolina-gop-leaders-plot-to-boost-bernie-sanders-in-dem-primary

A group of South Carolina Republicans intends to launch an effort to get Republicans in the state to vote for Sen. Bernie Sanders (D-VT) in the Feb. 29 Democratic primary. According to The Post and Courier, the officials behind the plan believe Sanders is the weakest general election threat to Trump. In lieu of voting for Trump, which isn't possible since the state decided to cancel its GOP primary, the officials claim the plan would still enable people to support the president by delivering him an easy-to-defeat opponent. “I think we can easily affect the outcome. This is going to catch on like wildfire,” Greenville GOP chairman Nate Leupp told the newspaper. “People have been waiting and waiting for 2020 to come along to vote for Trump, and now they can’t... But they can still help Trump.” Leupp also said the plan to promote the “most socialistic, liberal candidate running” would convince state Democrats to change the state's open primary to a closed one so it “protects them as well as the Republican brand.”

The group will announce the effort at a Thursday press conference. South Carolina GOP Executive Director Hope Walker told the newspaper the state's broader Republican party was not involved in the effort, and it would not be taking an “official stand on this matter.” S.C. state director for Sanders’ campaign, Jessica Bright, said Trump and the GOP “have always been afraid to run against Bernie Sanders” and called the effort “more of the same.”
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Response to TomCADem (Reply #37)

Sat Apr 4, 2020, 06:33 PM

38. Hmmm

 

S.C. state director for Sanders’ campaign, Jessica Bright, said Trump and the GOP “have always been afraid to run against Bernie Sanders”

Jessica must be adopted because I don't think she's real Bright.
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Response to BidenBacker (Reply #38)

Sat Apr 4, 2020, 11:28 PM

51. Not very Bright, Bright.

 

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Response to mcar (Original post)

Sat Apr 4, 2020, 02:15 PM

4. That's what's wrong with this country

 

we're just not willing to listen to sound political advice given by unknown comedians on reich-wing websites.

You folks can all sit around waiting for your lousy $1200 stimulus checks if you want. As for me, I'm gonna get rich sifting through big piles of Breitbart shit finding little pearls of Rogan wisdom. Cha-ching!
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Response to BidenBacker (Reply #4)

Sat Apr 4, 2020, 02:21 PM

6. ROFL

 

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Response to BidenBacker (Reply #4)

Sat Apr 4, 2020, 02:22 PM

7. I found it on Twitter

 

which I'm sure you noticed. No need to "sift through big piles of Breitbart shit."

I don't give a crap about Rogan. I posted this here because many on this board thought his "endorsement" of Sanders was huge.
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Response to mcar (Reply #7)

Sat Apr 4, 2020, 02:25 PM

9. Mellow out, mcar

 

I was just making a sarcastic joke, fer chrissake.
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Response to BidenBacker (Reply #9)

Sat Apr 4, 2020, 02:42 PM

12. Well OK then

 

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Response to mcar (Reply #12)

Sat Apr 4, 2020, 02:49 PM

13. Peace

 

I knew what you were doing there.

Keep up the good work!

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Response to BidenBacker (Reply #13)

Sat Apr 4, 2020, 04:34 PM

19. ...

 

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Response to mcar (Original post)

Sat Apr 4, 2020, 02:20 PM

5. Surprise! Joe Rogan is still a slimeball! :) nt

 

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Response to mcar (Original post)

Sat Apr 4, 2020, 02:23 PM

8. Even if what he says were true

 

I would trust a Biden cabinet 1000x more than Trump to run the country
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Response to genxlib (Reply #8)

Sat Apr 4, 2020, 03:26 PM

16. Exactly!

 

Joe will be surrounded by experienced, competent people, unlike what we have now. We are voting for more than one person, we are voting for the people he will bring with him.
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Response to PatSeg (Reply #16)

Sat Apr 4, 2020, 03:58 PM

17. Just think what a kick-ass administration Joe could have

 

if he just hired all the honorable men and women who have either resigned or have been fired by the Fuhrer for not kissing his ass or just because they brought him bad news.

Here's our future Secretary of the Navy...

Sailors cheer for ousted aircraft carrier captain

https://www.cbsnews.com/video/sailors-cheer-for-ousted-aircraft-carrier-captain/

The incompetent scumbags are in charge and the competent patriots are out the door. Welcome to Topsy-turvy Trump World.
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Response to BidenBacker (Reply #17)

Sat Apr 4, 2020, 05:42 PM

32. I can just imagine

 

how many great people are out there just itching to get back to work in a sane and rational administration. And I totally trust Joe to make excellent informed choices. Just think of the judges he would nominate!
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Response to PatSeg (Reply #32)

Sat Apr 4, 2020, 05:52 PM

33. Just think how much that would piss Trump off if Joe did that

 

and started hiring all the great people that dumb jackass fired. Hell, Joe's transition team wouldn't even have to vet them...

Team Biden: "So, what are your qualifications for becoming the Secretary of _____?"

Applicant: "Well, I was fired by Trump 2 years ago and..."

Team Biden: "You're hired!"
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Response to BidenBacker (Reply #33)

Sat Apr 4, 2020, 06:06 PM

36. Yes

 

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Response to BidenBacker (Reply #33)

Sat Apr 4, 2020, 11:31 PM

52. Excellent job qualification.

 

( minus a few)
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Response to mcar (Original post)

Sat Apr 4, 2020, 02:28 PM

10. Sanders lost AOC in part because of Rogan.

 

In soccer parlance, it was an own goal. Just dumb and unnecessary.
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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #10)

Sat Apr 4, 2020, 04:41 PM

22. That's what I read, too. It wasn't a big a deal as the BS campaign

 

made it out to be.. and now this.

Nina Turner was sure excited about it.
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Response to mcar (Original post)

Sat Apr 4, 2020, 02:28 PM

11. Typical person in the Bernie camp.

 

That's why it's Jose Biden riding the Blue Wave.
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Response to mcar (Original post)

Sat Apr 4, 2020, 03:16 PM

14. Remember all the excitement among Sanders supporters when Rogan endorsed Bernie?

 

I don't think Rogan was ever sincere about endorsing Bernie anyway.
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Response to FelineOverlord (Reply #14)

Sat Apr 4, 2020, 04:38 PM

21. Well the BS campaign embraced it.

 

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Response to Cha (Reply #21)

Sat Apr 4, 2020, 04:42 PM

23. Yup!

 

Anyone with a working memory knows the Sanders' campaign embraced, cheered and defended.

Great hole digging!
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Response to peggysue2 (Reply #23)

Sat Apr 4, 2020, 05:40 PM

31. One Nina Turner seemed especially excited about the Joe Rogan

 

endorsement.

Many of us knew it was toxic then.

Hey Aloha Peggysue!
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Response to Cha (Reply #31)

Sat Apr 4, 2020, 11:37 PM

53. Lest we forget...

 

Bernie endorsed Cenk....then was forced to retract.

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-12-12/bernie-sanders-endorses-cenk-uygur-young-turks

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #53)

Sat Apr 4, 2020, 11:44 PM

55. Right.. cenk got run over with so much

 

of his misogynistic history being exposed he had no choice but to lamely say he wasn't accepting endorsements. Yeah right.

BS was warned not to endorse cenk by the California branch of the Sanders campaign but did he listen? NO.

Thanks for bringing that to light, she.
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Response to Cha (Reply #55)

Sat Apr 4, 2020, 11:54 PM

56. Cenk hit a huuuge wave.

 

It wasn't Blue. I was a HUGE FU.

What was it, 4% of the vote?

Wipe Out!
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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #56)

Sun Apr 5, 2020, 12:06 AM

57. lol@4% WIPE OUT! Don't Mess With US DEMS, cenk..

 

he's already promised/threatened to "start Primarying Joe Biden when he takes Office."

Is BS gonna do it in 2024 if we should be so Fortunate to KICK trump OUT?
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Response to Cha (Reply #57)

Sun Apr 5, 2020, 12:09 AM

58. Lol!!!!

 



No comment.
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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #58)

Sun Apr 5, 2020, 12:12 AM

59. ..

 

Rofl
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Response to Cha (Reply #59)

Sun Apr 5, 2020, 12:20 AM

60. Love ya

 

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Response to mcar (Original post)

Sat Apr 4, 2020, 03:22 PM

15. But Berniebros are a myth...nt

 

Sid
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Response to SidDithers (Reply #15)

Sat Apr 4, 2020, 04:35 PM

20. A pretty persistent group of myths, aren't they?

 

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Response to mcar (Reply #20)

Sat Apr 4, 2020, 04:48 PM

24. The myth has been busted!

 

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #24)

Sat Apr 4, 2020, 10:35 PM

47. My kids favorite show back in the day

 

Thanks for the memory!
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Response to mcar (Reply #47)

Sat Apr 4, 2020, 10:38 PM

49. Hubby liked it. I learned to appreciate it.

 

It had some good moments. 😜👍
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Response to mcar (Original post)

Sat Apr 4, 2020, 04:00 PM

18. Misogynist racists vote Trump. No surprise.

 

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Response to LizBeth (Reply #18)

Sat Apr 4, 2020, 04:50 PM

25. Nothing he's done surprises me...

 

... and that's all I have to say about that (I won't elaborate for obvious reasons.)
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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #25)

Sat Apr 4, 2020, 04:51 PM

26. Sanders holds about 30%. 15% will vote Trump. How many won't vote? It isn't Democrats supporting

 

Sanders.
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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #25)

Sat Apr 4, 2020, 11:40 PM

54. Ummm

 

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Response to mcar (Original post)

Sat Apr 4, 2020, 04:55 PM

27. Rogan is an independent

 

It isn't expected for him to vote party line democratic
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Response to jorgevlorgan (Reply #27)

Sat Apr 4, 2020, 05:40 PM

30. Usually Independents are in the middle of the political spectrum

 

Hard to figure out where an Indie who flips back and forth between Sanders and Trump falls on it.

May have to take a little time to work this one out. Let's see now, if I take the extreme left side of the political spectrum and loop it up over here and then take the far right end and tuck it back under there and twist the two around like that and tape 'em both together...voila, got it!

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Response to BidenBacker (Reply #30)

Sat Apr 4, 2020, 05:56 PM

34. an independent is anybody that does not vote party line.

 

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Response to jorgevlorgan (Reply #34)

Sat Apr 4, 2020, 06:05 PM

35. Politically most Independents are not extremists

 

Political Independents: Who They Are, What They Think

https://www.people-press.org/2019/03/14/political-independents-who-they-are-what-they-think/

But I suppose there are always a few outliers who flip back and forth from left-wing anarchism to right-wing fascism at the drop of a hat.

This Rogan character looks to be one of 'em. And thus the need for a Mobius strip.
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Response to BidenBacker (Reply #35)

Sat Apr 4, 2020, 06:45 PM

39. Independents voted for Trump in 2016.

 

Placing a label on those people isn't helpful if we want to win them back in 2020.
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Response to jorgevlorgan (Reply #39)

Sat Apr 4, 2020, 06:51 PM

41. Independents split in 2016, with Trump having a slight edge.

 

He won them 46-42.

Biden is well ahead of Trump in current head-to-head polls among independents. We already won many of them back in 2018, as indicated by exit polls and the number of moderate Democrats winning in right-leaning districts.
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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #41)

Sat Apr 4, 2020, 08:45 PM

44. absolutely right.

 

But they are not a monolith by any manner. Some are moderate, some are lefties and some are crazy fascists
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Response to jorgevlorgan (Reply #44)

Mon Apr 6, 2020, 07:30 PM

73. Fascists aren't independent. Fascism is right-wing. Fascists are traitors

 

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Response to jorgevlorgan (Reply #39)

Sat Apr 4, 2020, 07:00 PM

42. Independents

 

didn't know how bad Trump would really be. Don't think that's much in doubt after more than 3 years of him. Which is why some polls show them breaking heavily in favor of Biden by a 52-34 margin.

If you want to woo over a given group you would do well to understand them. You can't do much better than to read some of Pew Research's excellent studies and surveys they've conducted over the years to help define American society.
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Response to jorgevlorgan (Reply #39)

Mon Apr 6, 2020, 07:29 PM

72. Not really

 

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Response to jorgevlorgan (Reply #39)

Mon Apr 6, 2020, 08:54 PM

75. We don't need them

 

Our base is energized. We don't have to kiss up to the fickle ones among them.
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Response to jorgevlorgan (Reply #34)

Sat Apr 4, 2020, 06:48 PM

40. Nope.

 

Most independents lean one way or the other and already identify with a party, just not officially. Plenty of them are pretty loyal to a specific party but choose not to self-ID with that party or are in jurisdictions with no party registration.

Additionally, plenty of people who do identify with a party don't vote straight ticket for a variety of reasons.
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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #40)

Sat Apr 4, 2020, 07:09 PM

43. Right you are, TZ

 

Last I saw about 27% of Indies self-identify as "leaning conservative" and another 23% call themselves "leaning liberal" with the remainder of them identifying as "moderates".

Like you said many of them usually vote Democrat or Republican but they have much less qualms about flipping their vote back and forth than D's and R's do. There are also a LOT of Independents who don't really care for either party rather than favor one or the other.

These Indies are a hugely important group who often make or break elections. I've been mentally using 40% as the number that they make up out of the entire electorate and I just saw in that newer Pew report I linked that they still have them at 38% so they outnumber both Dems or Pubs. Sure hope these guys have been paying close attention the last few years because we're gonna need them to vote smart this time around.
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Response to BidenBacker (Reply #30)

Sat Apr 4, 2020, 09:05 PM

45. That actually isn't the case. It's a wildly held incorrect belief.

 

Here is the data:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-moderate-middle-is-a-myth/

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Response to jorgevlorgan (Reply #27)

Mon Apr 6, 2020, 07:28 PM

71. Is it true this rogan guy had racist "proud boys" on his show?

 

I don't know who this guy is, but that statement from him isn't that of a independent.
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Sat Apr 4, 2020, 05:09 PM

28. Completely unsurprised by this.

 

He was never one of us, not even CLOSE to one of us, so his support of Trump if he can't have his fave is completely unsurprising.
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Sat Apr 4, 2020, 10:23 PM

46. oe Rogan says the democratic party has made us all feel like morons by rapidly..

 



joe rogan is a "moron"
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Response to Cha (Reply #46)

Mon Apr 6, 2020, 09:38 AM

64. If Sanders' socialism flips people to Trump

 

Then it's really, really bad socialism.
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Response to kcr (Reply #64)

Mon Apr 6, 2020, 11:16 AM

65. Indeed, Sir

 

There are libertarian anarchists of several stripes, but the libertarian socialist is a rare bird indeed.

The fact is most who identify with 'Bernie' are at bottom nihilists, attracted by the hope of 'burning it all down'. This is a feeling people on the leftmost tail of the political bell-curve share with people on the rightmost tail of the political bell-curve.

Socialism really is not compatible with nihilism, and it is very hard for a nihilist to be a socialist.

At bottom, Socialism is simply the view that what a society produces ought to belong to the society, and not to private parties who superintend facets of its production, and appropriate to themselves a disproportionate quantity of the society's produce. It does not, and never has, meant either autocratic state control or diveying up everything into equal shares. Nor does it require destruction of anything. In fact it seeks to take over what already exists, and direct in a different manner.

Capital, the surplus of what is produced over what its production costs, is the engine that drives new economic activity, and would do so whether it was administered by public or private means. Humans being involved, one can expect log-rolling and sharp practice in any case, but with public administration, however contrived within a democratic polity, it ought to be more difficult for a few individuals to extract value in greatly disproportionate share from society's capital.

Marxism is something different. Marxism is a particular theory of how socialism will emerge from capitalism. Marx saw this as something which would inevitably occur as industrialization reached its peaks, producing of necessity a trained and regimented work-force, who would be subjected to extreme penury owing the concentration of capital in ever fewer hands, and who would come to understand they actually controlled the mines and factories, etc., on which capitalism's profits depended. This he supposed would occur first in countries like England and Germany, France and Belgium. Nothing of the sort happened, and a variety of people enchanted by the theory, and its promise success was inevitable, set about trying to figure out ways to redeem the promise. Lenin's view was that imperial expansion was what was delaying the inevitable emergence of socialism, and he conceived further the idea that establishment of socialism by revolution might be achieved through forcing accelerated development of a backward, largely feudal society such fin de siecle Russia. At this point it should be obvious that Lenin's program had little to do with the original ground of Marxism, and as Orwell observed, 'one does not establish a dictatorship to preserve a revolution, one makes a revolution to establish a dictatorship'.

People once steeped deeply in Marxism have a hard time letting it go, and it is Sanders Marxist background inclines me firmly against him. He continued in Marxist belief well into middle age, and that to my mind indicates questionable judgement, to put it mildly. He seems to have still at that time accepted the equation of socialism with Marxism, and so have taken states established on the bastardized pseudo Marxism of Lenin and Mao as genuinely socialist states, which again calls his judgement into serious question.



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Response to mcar (Original post)

Sat Apr 4, 2020, 10:37 PM

48. Joe Rogan endorsed Bernie only to fuck with Democrats

 

He is the quintessential Trump man.

Too bad Bernie fell for his fake endorsement.
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Response to la-trucker (Reply #48)

Sat Apr 4, 2020, 11:25 PM

50. But 'Bernie', He's A Political Genius! A Freakin' Wizard!

 

He'll rouse the whole country to rise up and make Congress do what he says!





"From Bernie’s perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they don’t want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."
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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #50)

Sun Apr 5, 2020, 07:52 PM

63. lol

 

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Sun Apr 5, 2020, 12:23 AM

61. Meanwhile Bernie stands idly by and let's his goons do the dirty work.

 

No wonder he’d vote for Trump, there isn’t a dimes worth of difference between Trump and Bernie when it comes to backstabbing.
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Response to BlueIdaho (Reply #61)

Sun Apr 5, 2020, 06:00 AM

62. You bet. Rogan's a populist rabblerouser with a big following,

 

and he has thrown in officially as one of Sanders' "goons." And Sanders, a populist rabblerouser himself but unable to speak "Rogan" in public for himself, needs all of them he can get.

Bless his heart, Sanders has so far drawn far fewer of Trump's populists than he'd hoped. That "wave of popular support" he counts on to sweep Democrats out of his way, both as a path to the WH and then to steamroll congress as president, is tightly rallied around Trump in his time of trouble.

Of course, with pandemic disruptions fueling dreams of societal collapse and takeover, the rabble hasn't given in to despair, and their sites are still full of bloviation about marching over all who don't get out of their way.
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Mon Apr 6, 2020, 12:00 PM

67. I believe this excitement and the ad hurt Sanders with progressives like AOC, AA voters, LGBTQ and

 

women. I was furious...I can't stomach Joe Rogan.
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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #67)

Mon Apr 6, 2020, 12:34 PM

69. That's a good point

 

And completely consistent with Bernie's habit of passing off women's issues, LGBTQ issues as "identity politics."
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Response to mcar (Original post)

Mon Apr 6, 2020, 08:56 PM

76. He's just another Bernie Bro who won't vote for Biden. n/t

 

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