#BidenDebateBernie is trending on twitter right now

[Takket]

some gems............ granted we know Russian trolls push a lot of this stuff but still........ some of these are real people.........

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[relayerbob]

1. Fuck 'em

We've had enough debates. The last one was an utter waste of time. We've heard all we need to hear. If they can't figure it out by now, then another round of attacks isn't going to help

[Legends303]

2. They are right Biden and his surrogates

Need to to stop acting scared of a fight it makes him look weak.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

5. Biden isn't scared, he just doesn't want to waste his time or ours

with having to listen to any more of Bernie's pointless bloviation. Biden has the nomination and Bernie's zombie campaign is no longer relevant; consequently there's no reason for another debate.

[PubliusEnigma]

11. Bernie and his surrogates need to quit acting like he is still a candidate.

Bernie has been roundly rejected by the Democratic Party.
Again.

[Squinch]

12. Why does this make me think of the Monty Python knight with no arms and no legs?

[TwilightZone]

22. Makes me think...

of J. R. R. Tolkien and bridges.

[TexasTowelie]

59. Me too. nt

[Docreed2003]

16. Lol...before the last debate you were suggesting Biden needed to show he wasn't "weak"

Now he's scared to fight after he kicked the crap out of Bernie in the last debate? WTF would a debate prove? Nothing we haven't already seen. It's pointless and there were no more debates scheduled. Biden has proven, clearly, that he is the best candidate and the one voters have chosen for this moment. GTFO with that "weak" shit.

[Demsrule86]

20. Biden is not going to debate...the primary is over. He is busy getting ready to take Trump on and

choose a VP...Sanders is yesterdays news...and who hasn't heard his spiel...over and over for years.

[Demsrule86]

21. And Sanders running after Biden when he has no path mathematically pleading for a debate

makes Sanders look desperate and somewhat delusional...Sanders has lost and he needs to move on. He will not be our nominee...so no more time wasting debates...we had what 8 or 9? Enough. Sander has a job to do in the Senate and we need him to roll up his sleeves and get to work.

[BidenBacker]

23. 11 debates but who's counting?

It's easier to count counties Bernie won in the last 6 states than the number of Dem debates we've had to endure.

1...2...3...yer out, batter Bern!

[Demsrule86]

26. Not me clearly, I had no idea how many there were...I only watched a couple...

Time to move on...with the Covid19 Virus...no reason to risk either Biden or Sanders by having a stupid debate which few will watch.

[rockfordfile]

24. No cut the right-wing lies

[Cha]

29. They are WRONG.. Nobody is "scared".. BS comes from a place of Weakness.. Biden

is Strong..

BS had his chance to debate Joe Biden and it didn't go over so well.

Despite Sanders’s generally strong support among Latino voters, Biden’s victory in Arizona is unsurprising. Ahead of the primary, Biden had netted victories in 16 other states and gave a strong performance in the latest debate, projecting “confidence and competence on the coronavirus pandemic” and landing “solid hits” on Sanders’s record, as my colleague Zack Beauchamp writes.

https://www.vox.com/2020/3/17/21183364/joe-biden-wins-arizona-primary-results-2020

BS Lost and his surrogates are smearing Joe Biden.. So No.. Biden has much more important issues to deal with that are real.

BS is stationed between "no one" & "Dropouts"

Biden >99 in 100 (>99%)
No One < 1 in 100 (0.1%)
Sanders < 1 in 100 (0%)
Dropouts < 1 in 100 (0%)

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=694301

[Me.]

38. Stop The Baiting...No One Is Scared Of the Pointy Finger

He just doesn't want to waste his time on a loser. Or have they forgotten how well JB did the last time?

[The Magistrate]

39. One Of The More Nonesensical Lines Pressed In The 'Bernie-Verse', Sir

Mr. Biden has nothing to gain from a debate. He has already demonstrated he is master of the situation.

In present circumstances, the victor does not share a stage with the defeated rival in order to drive home the latter's insignificance. Sanders lacks the status to appear in any circumstance suggesting equality with Mr. Biden. Sanders pleading for an appearance on a stage with Mr. Biden only emphasizes his lower status, and when his pleas are ignored, Sanders status declines further. Sanders may dream of a forensic triumph, but that does not mean anyone is afraid he would have one. This is not even a question of avoiding risk for Mr. Biden. It is a question of manifesting status on the most basic level of primate competition for dominance. The degree to which elections turn on such basic, almost bodily considerations, is something intellectually driven persons fail to properly appreciate, and one which professional politicians have an instinctual feel for.


"From Bernie’s perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they don’t want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

[grantcart]

79. Have you noticed that more and more Bernie Supporters click "undecided"?

visit the OP's journal and he openly states he is a "Sanders supporter"

but clicks "undecided" so that people making comments will temper their comments in the hope that they can "persuade" someone on the fence.

I guess they forgot about what they posted in their journal lol.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287691652

[The Magistrate]

80. It Is Pretty Obvious Usually, Sir

It is certainly flying false colors, whatever they may imagine they gain by doing so. I agree those who display an open allegiance are entitled to some respect. This is become a pretty tough room....

[brush]

56. Ahhh...they just had a debate and Sanders got his clock cleaned.

Sanders was not a standout debater in any of the other TEN FUCKING DEBATES. What makes anyone think one more would be any different?

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

[sheshe2]

73. ...

[Happy Hoosier]

84. Lololololol....

Bernie is done. Time to stop wasting time on Bernie’s vanity.

Bernie is embarrassing himself.

[HarlanPepper]

86. SCOREBOARD!

[Demsrule86]

87. No it makes Sanders look desperate...and reinforces that he has lost the primary.

[LizBeth]

3. No

[George II]

4. Biden isn't afraid to debate Sanders - he slaughtered him in the last debate, I'm sure he'd love....

....another crack at him.

There just isn't any point in doing so at this time.

[Cha]

42. Yes, JB "gave a strong performance in the latest debate, projecting "confidence and competence..

Despite Sanders’s generally strong support among Latino voters, Biden’s victory in Arizona is unsurprising. Ahead of the primary, Biden had netted victories in 16 other states and gave a strong performance in the latest debate, projecting “confidence and competence on the coronavirus pandemic” and landing “solid hits” on Sanders’s record, as my colleague Zack Beauchamp writes.

https://www.vox.com/2020/3/17/21183364/joe-biden-wins-arizona-primary-results-2020
Besides..

BS Lost and his surrogates are smearing Joe Biden.. So No.. Biden has much more important issues to deal with that are real.

BS is stationed between "no one" & "Dropouts"

Biden >99 in 100 (>99%)
No One < 1 in 100 (0.1%)
Sanders < 1 in 100 (0%)
Dropouts < 1 in 100 (0%)

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=694301

[S.E. TN Liberal]

6. With Bernie and Joe talking some of the public will be able to hear the truth for a change...

We sure don’ get much truth on TV these days.

[Demsrule86]

19. No more debates...the primary is over. Sanders needs to suspend.

[S.E. TN Liberal]

30. Ok, so you have an opinion.

You might want to understand that other people also have opinions. Many of those opinions are different than yours. As you grow up, this should become obvious to you. Now is as good a time as any to start learning.

[LakeArenal]

35. How condescending. That's obvious.

Yes. start learning to read the writing on the wall.

Bernie is done. He should go home and be Independent again.

[S.E. TN Liberal]

40. Well, when I read the writing on the wall, I get...

...that Medicare4All is an idea that the next American president should fully commit to.
Maybe Joe Biden is closer to understanding that now than he was two months ago.

[LakeArenal]

41. Oh geez. I see you might have missed this type of thread

We’ve had plenty. It’s not even a good try anymore.

Bernie is old news. Just like this discussion.

[brush]

58. We should work towards a universal care plan. M4A, however is not necessarily the best universal...

care option. You do know as presently constituted, Medicare only pays for 80% of medical costs.

And to be successful at anything we have to win the WH and the Senate, plus keep the House.

A more comprehensive system is more desirable IMO. And it you know anything about this country, there will have to be a transition period to universal care as even some Dems will be reluctant to upturn everything, not to mention all the jobs in the insurance, medical and pharma industries that would be lost. The public option would be that transition period.

Not rocket science. We have to have the WH, Senate and House to just get to a public option first.
The public option would be a component to the ACA, which can be revised and improved until we get to a universal care system. And FYI, even in countries with universal care, there are costs for services, nowhere near what we pay here but nothing is entirely free.

And taxes will be much higher.

[S.E. TN Liberal]

62. My original post wasn't about M4A, (that would be "Medicare for All" for those who don't keep up...

...with the various abbreviations used around here), but I do agree with the majority of your points on the matter.
I don’t see why, since we already have the most expensive health insurance and health care on the planet, it should cost us even more to have the kind of insurance people in other nations have at a much lower cost? It seems to me that we are already over paying and getting less benefits than we should. The two main selling points of M4A are cost reduction and providing insurance for everyone.
The main reason I support Bernie Sanders regarding this issue is that, even though it is going to be hard to accomplish, (as you have effectively pointed out), I believe any Democrat running for any office should do all he/she can to make M4A a reality in America.
I think the trumpvirus is a good argument in support of M4A. The failures of private, employer based health insurance are more apparent now than they were even two months ago.
I think this is a good time for Democratic candidates to commit to supporting M4A.
While I fully expect Joe Biden will become the Democratic nominee, (and I will be voting for him), I would like to hear him, as heir-apparent leader of the party, make the case that M4A should be one pf the goals of the party.
This is one reason I have no desire to see the debates end now. If Joe Biden changes his position to being fully supportive of M4A I believe his support among Democrats will go up.
As you pointed out, the current form of Medicare has shortcomings. I understand this as I am currently on Medicare. But, any form of universal health insurance in America has to start with something. And, like any other program, it can be improved upon.

[brush]

64. About this statement.

If Joe Biden changes his position to being fully supportive of M4A I believe his support among Democrats will go up.

Not so fast. You don't seem to recall that during the campaign Warren came out strongly for M4A and how she proposed to pay for it and her poll numbers soon plummeted, and that was among Dem voters. I have to think it went of even more like a lead balloon among independents and never-trumpers who we need to attract.

IMO we should try FDR's and LBJ's approaches. Neither of them ran on New Deal or Great Society plans. They waited until they got in, with House and Senate majorities of course, before they proposed their huge social safety net plans.

And they were successful that way. Why tip your hand on polarizing issues beforehand. We have to be smart.

[S.E. TN Liberal]

67. You are correct regarding Warren...

...she went overboard with too many details in her report and, I believe, she was trying to claim sources of income she should not have. Continuing to bill businesses that do pay their employees insurance, to make up for businesses that don’t, is not fair.
I read that of the top 33 economies around the World only one cannot figure out how to cover all citizens with health insurance.

[brush]

69. We need to get there for sure, but why tip our hand before we get in position...

to implement such a polarizing plan?

[S.E. TN Liberal]

71. Many say there is no difference between the parties.

I know them to be wrong but being deceptive, in my opinion, it a poor choice of how to act.
I think we need to agree to disagree regarding this issue.

[brush]

72. Ok, but remember, I'm for universal care also, but I'm pragmatic about how to get there.

[Demsrule86]

88. And maybe he is not because Medicare for all is never happening...the ACA with a public option

could happen...Sanders lost. Joe doesn't have to give him anything.

[Cha]

45. that's all ya got.. insults.. We're talking "no more debates" & you get personal.

BS had his chance to debate Joe Biden and it didn't go over so well.

Despite Sanders’s generally strong support among Latino voters, Biden’s victory in Arizona is unsurprising. Ahead of the primary, Biden had netted victories in 16 other states and gave a strong performance in the latest debate, projecting “confidence and competence on the coronavirus pandemic” and landing “solid hits” on Sanders’s record, as my colleague Zack Beauchamp writes.

BS Lost and his surrogates are smearing Joe Biden.. So No.. Biden has much more important issues to deal with that are real.

BS is stationed between "no one" & "Dropouts"

Biden >99 in 100 (>99%)
No One < 1 in 100 (0.1%)
Sanders < 1 in 100 (0%)
Dropouts < 1 in 100 (0%)

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=694301

[S.E. TN Liberal]

47. I made an attempt to show there are differences of opinion here.

My opinion is that another debate would give Americans another chance to hear candidates speaking the truth on TV. There are plenty of lies being told to people.

You probably think your opinion is more important than mine is. I disagree. Mature people can agree to have differing opinions.

[Cha]

48. All you did was insult.. it got lost when you went personal

[S.E. TN Liberal]

50. Thank you for your participation.

[Cha]

52. BS Lost and his surrogates are smearing Joe Biden.. So No.. Biden has much more important issues to

deal with that are real.

[Demsrule86]

89. Everyone knows where these candidates stand on issues...if Sander and his issues were that popular,

he would have won the primary. Debates are a complete waste of time...and no need to subject Sanders or Biden to the physical dangers of a debate.

[brush]

57. We just had a debate. Biden won handily.

Newsflash: The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

I'm sure you've heard that before. It still stands.

[S.E. TN Liberal]

63. Do you think the trumpvirus has brought up any new issues worth discussing in a debate?

The trumpvirus should show why several changes need to happen in America.
M4A should be a target for all Democrats to aim for.
Andrew Yang’s idea of Universal Basic Income,(U.B.I), would help the economy recover. Help should go to the poorest people instead of bailing out failing Capitalist programs every decade.
I think a lot of people are more open to these concepts now than were two months ago.
Besides, any debate among Democrats give people an alternative to the constant lies, propaganda and bull-shit we get on TV these days.

[brush]

65. I answered you in another post with this.

IMO we should try FDR's and LBJ's approaches. Neither of them ran on New Deal or Great Society plans. They waited until they got in, with House and Senate majorities of course, before they proposed their huge social safety net plans.

And they were successful that way. Why tip your hand on polarizing issues beforehand. We have to be smart.

[S.E. TN Liberal]

68. I won't diss your points. They do work.

I am kinda preferential towards politicians who are honest upfront about their intentions.
I know, politicians don’t do that.

[brush]

70. Fair enough. You have to win though before you can do anything.

[Demsrule86]

90. No...nothing worth discussing...as the Congress and President will decide...Sanders has a role

to play in this discussion...but not as a primary candidate.

[mcar]

7. Gaaaaah!

I knew this was coming.

[PubliusEnigma]

8. Bernie is like a little Yorkie nipping at Biden's ankles.

Joe doesn't owe him anything.

[badhair77]

9. No thanks.

[BidenBacker]

10. Let's see now

On the one hand we got Sanders' campaign manager and also a long-time strategist telling him to drop out...and on the other we have some anonymous Twits urging him to debate and prolong the agony.

Choose wisely, Bernie.

[The Magistrate]

13. Wisdom Is Not In The Man, Sir

That is obvious by now....






"From Bernie’s perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they don’t want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

[BidenBacker]

15. About damn time the DU second shift finally showed up!

Earlier today I saw your post about pessimism vs optimism and liked it a lot.

I decided to risk optimism for a change and see how it works out re BS.

[The Magistrate]

25. Glad You Appreciate It, Sir

I have been taking a break to cook, and the saag ghosh is now on the simmer. Doctor told me most emphatically to do my best imitation of a hermit for the foreseeable future, so I am on here a lot. But I spent some time in exchanges on Venezuela in the News forum.

If you have not looked into the George Washington Plunkett link I repeat the suggestion. I expect you will find it most enjoyable. Especially the portions 'How I becama a Statesman' and 'Honest Graft'....

[Marcuse]

46. Tammany's war on the progressive Civil Service heralded today's attacks on the "Deep State".

“[link:https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/donald-trumps-case-for-honest-graft/508706/|

Chapter 3. The Curse of Civil Service Reform

THIS civil service law is the biggest fraud of the age. It is the curse of the nation. There can’t be no real patriotism while it lasts. How are you goin’ to interest our young men in their country if you have no offices to give them when they work for their party? Just look at things in this city today. There are ten thousand good offices, but we can’t get at more than a few hundred of them. How are we goin’ to provide for the thousands of men who worked for the Tammany ticket? It can’t be done. These men were full of patriotism a short time ago. They expected to be servin’ their city, but when we tell them that we can’t place them, do you think their patriotism is goin’ to last? Not much. They say: What’s the use of workin’ for your country anyhow? There’s nothin’ in the game.” And what can they do? I don’t know, but I’ll tell you what I do know. I know more than one young man in past years who worked for the ticket and was just overflowin’ with patriotism, but when he was knocked out by the civil service humbug he got to hate his country and became an Anarchist.

This ain’t no exaggeration. I have good reason for sayin’ that most of the Anarchists in this city today are men who ran up against civil service examinations. Isn’t it enough to make a man sour on his country when he wants to serve it and won’t be allowed unless he answers a lot of fool questions about the number of cubic inches of water in the Atlantic and the quality of sand in the Sahara desert? There was once a bright young man in my district who tackled one of these examinations. The next I heard of him he had settled down in Herr Most’s saloon smokin’ and drinkin’ beer and talkin’ socialism all day. Before that time he had never drank anything but whisky. I knew what was comm’ when a young Irishman drops whisky and takes to beer and long pipes in a German saloon. That young man is today one of the wildest Anarchists in town. And just to think! He might be a patriot but for that cussed civil service.

[The Magistrate]

49. Not Particularly, Sir

The issue was patronage, and kickbacks to the machine's coffers. Civil service, at the time, was an attempt to strip the municipal machines of funds, and was resisted accordingly.

But we should probably not spend too much effort on such a sideline in this forum. A good deal of what the man says has a timeless quality, as any well observed disquisition on human affairs will.

[Marcuse]

54. Agreed, Sir. In either administration loyality trumps competence.

[BidenBacker]

76. Thanks for the suggestion

I found that it was a free book from my old mates at Project Gutenberg...

PLUNKITT OF TAMMANY HALL

https://www.gutenberg.org/files/2810/2810-h/2810-h.htm

Just read the short "How to Become a Statesman" chapter. His style of writing seems somewhat familiar so maybe I've read some stuff by him before but don't exactly remember.

Anyway, this will be good to read on a tablet when I'm laying down. This is one era of history that I haven't studied too much about before. Danke.

[The Magistrate]

77. Enjoyable And Instructive, Sir

With some small allowance made for changing times, some of that chapter remains practical advice for people who want some influence in a political party.

You want some say? Produce the votes!

I appreciate the better link. That one I provided was a hurry up search result.

I have found a number of things worth reading on the Gutenberg site, though I mostly look there for old fiction, things I read as a kid.

[vercetti2021]

14. Nope

You lost Bern. Go home

[Peacetrain]

17. Mother Russia has sent out her troops.. and she has been busy!

[Demsrule86]

18. Don't give two fucks what Sanders supporters want...no more debates...no reason to risk either of

these men...the primary is over...move on people.

[LakeArenal]

37. So... there's still a chance you give one fuck?

[Demsrule86]

91. Hahah...not even a 1/2 fuck...

[Cha]

27. Of course BS' supporters are saying that.. BS had his

chance to debate Joe Biden and it didn't go over so well.

Despite Sanders’s generally strong support among Latino voters, Biden’s victory in Arizona is unsurprising. Ahead of the primary, Biden had netted victories in 16 other states and gave a strong performance in the latest debate, projecting “confidence and competence on the coronavirus pandemic” and landing “solid hits” on Sanders’s record, as my colleague Zack Beauchamp writes.

BS Lost and his surrogates are smearing Joe Biden.. So No.. Biden has much more important issues to deal with that are real.

BS is stationed between "no one" & "Dropouts"

Biden >99 in 100 (>99%)
No One < 1 in 100 (0.1%)
Sanders < 1 in 100 (0%)
Dropouts < 1 in 100 (0%)

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=694301

[voteearlyvoteoften]

28. Been there

Done that

[Marcuse]

31. We need Democratic unity in November, so let's not start letting the tail wag the dog.

Is there anymore to say that has not been said? The only new news coverage will be of an endorsement of one by the other.

[GeorgiaPeanut]

32. Bernie's twitter warriors who live in their own echo chamber

Fuck them

[Indykatie]

33. Some One Already Made My Comment on This Which is F*ck Them.

This is what a coordinated troll attack looks like. Twitter accounts less than 30 days old or older accounts 40 or so followers is always a tell.

[Sloumeau]

34. Bernie fans hope to goad Biden into a pointless debate. :) nt

[Indykatie]

36. Most of These Aren't Real Bernie Supporters But Trolls

One of the accounts was just opened this week. Until you see Nina or someone we know is attached to the campaign calling for debates we should assume these are trolls out to create chaos.

[liberalmuse]

43. Twitter is a cesspool right now. Bernie Bros, trolls or Trumpsters?

If these are real Bernie supporters, I see no difference between them and MAGA's. And Joe Rogan can go fuck himself. The only reason I've ever listened to his podcast is if there is a good guest, but I fast forward whenever he talks.

[ucrdem]

44. Bernie who?

LOL, knew this was coming. They probably can't vote in Wisconsin anyway and if they could what are the chances they would, let alone for a Democrat?

[gibraltar72]

51. How is this helpful?

[Celerity]

75. it isn't meant to be

[OAITW r.2.0]

53. Sorry Bernie Campaign....No Sale.

Time to rally around the future. More Trump or real change?

[rzemanfl]

55. NTSA. n/t

[BlueLucy]

60. NO. Joe should not give credence to any conspiracy

that makes people think Bernie has a chance.

[Talitha]

61. It's a Democratic Debate. Bernie is NOT a Democrat. The End.

[BlueIdaho]

66. Twitter is a shithole.

[nini]

74. It's almost funny how they think anyone gives a damn what the say anymore

It's over, done, finito- time for us to move on to work on getting those fascists out of our way.

[Gothmog]

78. From the Hoarse Whisperer

Link to tweet

[demosincebirth]

81. It's over Bernieites! Why waste time and money - the hand writing is on the wall.

[Vivienne235729]

82. Scared??!?!! How many fucking times does he need to "debate" anyone?

Jesus christ. I am so over it. We have talked about it til we are blue in the face. If we don't know the differences by now, we never will. Another debate won't change anything. Mathematically, Bernie doesn't stand a chance and quite honestly, Biden is the assumptive nominee. He has it wrapped up neatly in a bow. Why in God's name would he even want to debate Bernie? ....yet AGAIN for the hundredth time? And risk that? I sure as hell wouldn't if I was Biden.

[oasis]

83. Excuse me while I plug in my BBCM.

Bernie Bro Credibility Meter.

[HarlanPepper]

85. Every one of them are bot accounts