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Joe BidenCongratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
 

LaurenOlimina

(1,165 posts)
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 04:30 PM Apr 2020

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If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
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This message was self-deleted by its author (Original Post) LaurenOlimina Apr 2020 OP
I think I'm voting for a potential three-four terms of Democrats. dawg day Apr 2020 #1
I decided to NEVER vote GOP after torture became their jam. LaurenOlimina Apr 2020 #3
Meh? bearsfootball516 Apr 2020 #2
Meh LaurenOlimina Apr 2020 #4
I'm not sure this is the place to find that kind of janterry Apr 2020 #10
And there are reasons Biden is the nominee HarlanPepper Apr 2020 #16
Cause they already got their way? LostOne4Ever Apr 2020 #18
I'd argue we don't need to be wasting time "rallying" intractable ideologues either HarlanPepper Apr 2020 #19
That Is Democracy, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #26
Damn right thegoose Apr 2020 #5
I agree with you ... CatMor Apr 2020 #9
It's sort of surreal HarlanPepper Apr 2020 #12
That's called politics... LaurenOlimina Apr 2020 #47
I know, it's like... Sloumeau Apr 2020 #68
He's certainly more progressive than Hillary Polybius Apr 2020 #25
I believe he will rise to the occasion. (I voted for Liz in the primary.) flor-de-jasmim Apr 2020 #6
He has to. No choice but to rise up. LaurenOlimina Apr 2020 #7
Absolutely true! peggysue2 Apr 2020 #21
well most people can vote absentee and stay at home. meh indeed nt msongs Apr 2020 #8
I hope so. LaurenOlimina Apr 2020 #11
Gee .. what a wonderful endorsement /s nsd Apr 2020 #13
Exactly. Very uniting. LakeArenal Apr 2020 #14
And I wish I was voting for a candidate without so many exploitable deficits. LaurenOlimina Apr 2020 #49
Actually, I think it's time for those to belatedly learn who Joe is. Hortensis Apr 2020 #15
Some folks need to be dazzled apparently HarlanPepper Apr 2020 #17
Hear, hear! AND the appallingly functional Republican traitors. Hortensis Apr 2020 #36
. TexasTowelie Apr 2020 #20
Apparently the majority of the voting Democratic electorate disagrees with your "meh" description. wyldwolf Apr 2020 #22
I am very excited about Joe Biden Gothmog Apr 2020 #23
Are you serious? George II Apr 2020 #24
Yes. It's time for everyone disappointed in Biden to give him their support. LaurenOlimina Apr 2020 #43
Too tired to dig deep but I'm guessing most of the "meh" NoMoreRepugs Apr 2020 #27
I know nobody who is enthusiastic for Biden. LaurenOlimina Apr 2020 #45
Lauren....... MyOwnPeace Apr 2020 #53
Meh seems to be the consensus in my circle. LaurenOlimina Apr 2020 #56
WE have risen to the occasion. tirebiter Apr 2020 #28
Damning with vapor-praise. Will world leaders greet Biden with 'meh' when they all gather together? NBachers Apr 2020 #29
Oh good grief Aquaria Apr 2020 #30
OMG THIS!!! n/t nolawarlock Apr 2020 #31
Well Said, Ma'am The Magistrate Apr 2020 #32
Thank you, True Blue American Apr 2020 #33
Great post! treestar Apr 2020 #34
+ 1,000,000 oasis Apr 2020 #40
Yes! LaurenOlimina Apr 2020 #57
Exactly. I long for the day where I can forget about politics for a month... Sloumeau Apr 2020 #63
+100. N/t obnoxiousdrunk Apr 2020 #83
Geez, Obama was at least inaugurated before treestar Apr 2020 #35
I've never found Biden compelling. LaurenOlimina Apr 2020 #42
Compared to what, or to whom? ... NurseJackie Apr 2020 #48
It's no longer time for specifics. Primary is over. LaurenOlimina Apr 2020 #50
You're the one complaining, not me. NurseJackie Apr 2020 #51
Why are you so negative? I'm wrong and wrong-headed for KNOWING who I know? LaurenOlimina Apr 2020 #54
I'm not the one being negative. NurseJackie Apr 2020 #58
Obviously, you have no idea. LaurenOlimina Apr 2020 #59
I know much more than I'm being given credit for... NurseJackie Apr 2020 #60
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha... LaurenOlimina Apr 2020 #61
No, "Lauren"... I believe your friends are real NurseJackie Apr 2020 #62
Ha ha ha ha ha LaurenOlimina Apr 2020 #64
You know perfectly well that I never said such a thing. NurseJackie Apr 2020 #66
Lots of people are going to do that. LaurenOlimina Apr 2020 #70
This kind of negativity serves no good purpose. NurseJackie Apr 2020 #71
seems deranged but ok LaurenOlimina Apr 2020 #74
I haven't insulted you with name-calling. Why do that to me, "Lauren"? NurseJackie Apr 2020 #76
And here come the protestations... LaurenOlimina Apr 2020 #84
I did no such thing. NurseJackie Apr 2020 #87
Hope everyone gets their negative vibes about Biden out of their system now, so when Autumn comes... George II Apr 2020 #65
Today is a cool, damp and windy day in Maryland... it feels like Autumn is already here! NurseJackie Apr 2020 #67
Why wait that long? TexasTowelie Apr 2020 #69
"But it is no longer the time to discuss it." Jedi Guy Apr 2020 #73
No, she asked for specifics. LaurenOlimina Apr 2020 #75
Oh, come off it! Everyone knows what you're talking about. NurseJackie Apr 2020 #77
Yes, it is safer not to mention them. LaurenOlimina Apr 2020 #78
I think it's important for everyone to show maturity and good judgement. NurseJackie Apr 2020 #79
Ah... OK LaurenOlimina Apr 2020 #80
So you finally admit to taking cheap-shots at our party's nominee? Thank you. NurseJackie Apr 2020 #81
Post removed Post removed Apr 2020 #86
Biden wasn't my top choice, but compared to Trump, "meh" is a dream. green88 Apr 2020 #37
I know. G.W. Bush was terrible, but compared to Trump... Sloumeau Apr 2020 #72
Joe is the best candidate to beat trump Gothmog Apr 2020 #38
I can't believe there are "Bernie or Bust" people out there who call themselves Progressives. Sophia_Of_PlanetX Apr 2020 #39
. @fred_guttenberg : Only Joe Biden has the ability now to heal this nation Opinion Gothmog Apr 2020 #41
Biden will make you proud. IluvPitties Apr 2020 #44
Hoping for it. LaurenOlimina Apr 2020 #46
I'm sorry he's not a rock star. RandySF Apr 2020 #52
Since Biden apparently leaves the Orange Putz quivering in his boots... Sloumeau Apr 2020 #55
Sulking Bernie bros and sistas zak247 Apr 2020 #82
Yeah, I'm not sure they are in the party anymore. LaurenOlimina Apr 2020 #85
 

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
1. I think I'm voting for a potential three-four terms of Democrats.
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 04:32 PM
Apr 2020

We need 12 years to un-do the damage, and this could actually happen-- Biden chooses an effective and impressive vice president, who can run and win in the future.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LaurenOlimina

(1,165 posts)
3. I decided to NEVER vote GOP after torture became their jam.
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 04:35 PM
Apr 2020

Before that, I could imagine voting for one though I never did. I could understand why people voted mixed ticket. Now. No fucking way, EVER. No GOP.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

bearsfootball516

(6,369 posts)
2. Meh?
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 04:35 PM
Apr 2020

His policies are more progressive than any other Democratic nominee we've seen.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LaurenOlimina

(1,165 posts)
4. Meh
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 04:37 PM
Apr 2020

There are reasons people supported other candidates. Respect it. We are trying to come together now and will apparently be risking our lives to do it.

I'm looking for reasons to vote Joe. Getting rid of Trump is the best one.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

janterry

(4,429 posts)
10. I'm not sure this is the place to find that kind of
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 04:45 PM
Apr 2020

support - or interest in coalescing (at least not in that kind of way).

I fully hear where you are coming from, though

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

HarlanPepper

(2,042 posts)
16. And there are reasons Biden is the nominee
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 07:13 PM
Apr 2020

Because more people supported him than the other candidates, including Bernie. How about a little respect for THEIR CHOICE, for once.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LostOne4Ever

(9,267 posts)
18. Cause they already got their way?
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 07:20 PM
Apr 2020

Seriously, we don't need to rally those who get to vote for their first choice...

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

HarlanPepper

(2,042 posts)
19. I'd argue we don't need to be wasting time "rallying" intractable ideologues either
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 07:21 PM
Apr 2020

And my point stands. The choice of the majority should be respected.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

The Magistrate

(95,237 posts)
26. That Is Democracy, Sir
Thu Apr 9, 2020, 12:25 AM
Apr 2020
"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

thegoose

(3,115 posts)
5. Damn right
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 04:38 PM
Apr 2020

Joe's not "meh." He's got the experience and brains to right the ship.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

CatMor

(6,212 posts)
9. I agree with you ...
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 04:45 PM
Apr 2020

Biden is not meh he is a experienced get the job done person. He is capable of getting our country back on the right track. I somewhat resent him being called meh.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

HarlanPepper

(2,042 posts)
12. It's sort of surreal
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 05:01 PM
Apr 2020

People can look around at what’s happening, the bodies piling up and lives broken physically and economically, and yet still have these sanctimony eruptions and feel like they need to be coaxed, or have their hands held, all the way to the polls.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LaurenOlimina

(1,165 posts)
47. That's called politics...
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 03:26 PM
Apr 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Sloumeau

(2,657 posts)
68. I know, it's like...
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 04:55 PM
Apr 2020

"I really know we should replace Hilter with this new guy, but he's just so meh".

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Polybius

(15,239 posts)
25. He's certainly more progressive than Hillary
Thu Apr 9, 2020, 12:24 AM
Apr 2020

I suppose you can argue Obama and Kerry, but just for the hell of it, I'll give you that. Certainly more progressive than Bill Clinton. Not more than Dukakis and Mondale though. More than Carter for sure. I'll stop there, since I wasn't born for any other presidential elections.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

flor-de-jasmim

(2,124 posts)
6. I believe he will rise to the occasion. (I voted for Liz in the primary.)
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 04:40 PM
Apr 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LaurenOlimina

(1,165 posts)
7. He has to. No choice but to rise up.
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 04:42 PM
Apr 2020

That goes for all of us.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

peggysue2

(10,811 posts)
21. Absolutely true!
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 07:39 PM
Apr 2020

I supported Joe Biden through the primary. I do think he'll rise to the moment. But if another of our candidates had been chosen, I was more than ready to 'rise to the occasion' and vote for that individual.

Because Trump. Because we cannot survive any more of this chaos, destruction and pure evilness.

May we all rise together to save the country. And each other.



If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

msongs

(67,198 posts)
8. well most people can vote absentee and stay at home. meh indeed nt
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 04:45 PM
Apr 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LaurenOlimina

(1,165 posts)
11. I hope so.
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 04:45 PM
Apr 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

nsd

(2,406 posts)
13. Gee .. what a wonderful endorsement /s
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 05:04 PM
Apr 2020

Maybe next time, you decide just not to post at all.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LakeArenal

(28,729 posts)
14. Exactly. Very uniting.
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 05:51 PM
Apr 2020

Always want to work with folks that are “meh”. (Not)

Attitude matters.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LaurenOlimina

(1,165 posts)
49. And I wish I was voting for a candidate without so many exploitable deficits.
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 03:29 PM
Apr 2020

...yet here we are.

You realize a LOT of people are trying to find a way to support Biden? You realize we want their votes?

Maybe not. Perhaps you shouldn't post at all. You post isn't very uniting.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
15. Actually, I think it's time for those to belatedly learn who Joe is.
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 05:52 PM
Apr 2020

No need to "risk your life" for a "meh" candidate when you can sensibly take a stand for someone who you have a well-founded belief will do a good job, if not the one you would have wished for in an ideal world. To have good government, you must first elect good people. The rest is details.

Biden is a good, honorable, honest man.

As for that "risk your life," come on. That's for old folks like me, and strictly for those too afraid to even do a monthly shopping. Bless their hearts, no doubt we do have some heroes among them taking a stand anyway on their election days.

“If we fail to vote, we don’t count. .... I just hope that, in spite of whatever is going on now, that people will not be afraid to come out and vote. We have to vote.” Genuine hero, no delusions, Congressman John Lewis

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

HarlanPepper

(2,042 posts)
17. Some folks need to be dazzled apparently
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 07:15 PM
Apr 2020

The only thing I give a fuck about right now is beating Trump.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
36. Hear, hear! AND the appallingly functional Republican traitors.
Thu Apr 9, 2020, 07:49 AM
Apr 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

TexasTowelie

(111,312 posts)
20. .
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 07:23 PM
Apr 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

wyldwolf

(43,865 posts)
22. Apparently the majority of the voting Democratic electorate disagrees with your "meh" description.
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 07:46 PM
Apr 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(144,004 posts)
23. I am very excited about Joe Biden
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 09:05 PM
Apr 2020

I was a day one donor to Biden and maxed out to him back in October. I have met Joe at two separate fund raisers and he is the real deal.

As someone who is working hard to turn Texas blue, I am glad that Joe is the nominee. After 2010 election, there were 101 republicans in the Texas state house compared to 49 Democrats. We are 9 seats away from flipping control of the Texas house. We flipped two congressional seats and there are 7 seats being targeted by the DCCC. We have a chance of voting Cornyn out if MJ Hegar is the nominee. If Warren or sanders was the nominee on the top of ticket, all down ballot candidates in Texas would be lost causes. With Joe on the top of the Ticket, Texas will be a battleground state.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
24. Are you serious?
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 10:34 PM
Apr 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LaurenOlimina

(1,165 posts)
43. Yes. It's time for everyone disappointed in Biden to give him their support.
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 03:22 PM
Apr 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

NoMoreRepugs

(9,260 posts)
27. Too tired to dig deep but I'm guessing most of the "meh"
Thu Apr 9, 2020, 01:03 AM
Apr 2020

bullshit is coming from Sanders supporters. I get it, but if you don’t see what’s at stake I’m not so sure u are as attuned to reality as you meh’s think u are.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LaurenOlimina

(1,165 posts)
45. I know nobody who is enthusiastic for Biden.
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 03:25 PM
Apr 2020

My circle are all college educated, mostly in engineering, statistics and medicine, say 22 people. Biden was nobody's first choice.

I'm telling them to drop the specific criticisms of Biden and get behind him.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

MyOwnPeace

(16,888 posts)
53. Lauren.......
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 03:48 PM
Apr 2020

You are yelling from both sides of the fence! No matter how much you are claiming that you can/will support Joe, "MEH!" is never a word that would be used to show such support.
And yet you are "telling them to drop criticisms" and get behind him?
Ohhhhh, w o w, I b e t y o u w o u l d be a b a l l o f f i r e a t a r a l l y . . .

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LaurenOlimina

(1,165 posts)
56. Meh seems to be the consensus in my circle.
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 03:59 PM
Apr 2020

I've only seen a hand full of never-Biden people.

Most are simply unenthusiastic.

I'm willing to risk my life for Meh. I won't pretend it's not Meh.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

tirebiter

(2,520 posts)
28. WE have risen to the occasion.
Thu Apr 9, 2020, 02:33 AM
Apr 2020

Rank and file chose this path. First in South Carolina, then we finalized the thing in Michigan, really. Joe has the trust and support across racial and class lines

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NBachers

(17,007 posts)
29. Damning with vapor-praise. Will world leaders greet Biden with 'meh' when they all gather together?
Thu Apr 9, 2020, 03:29 AM
Apr 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Aquaria

(1,076 posts)
30. Oh good grief
Thu Apr 9, 2020, 03:40 AM
Apr 2020

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again.

I’m not voting for Biden because he’s exciting. I’m excited about voting for him because he’s NOT exciting. I like him because he’s steady and dependable!

I want a ”boring,” dependable candidate who says what he means, and means what he says, and doesn’t need a murder of howler monkeys to gaslight us into believing what he “really” said--which is nothing like what came out of his mouth.

I want a “boring,” dependable candidate whose word today is good tomorrow—or even five minutes from now.

I want a “boring,” dependable candidate who will be where he’s supposed to be and do the job he’s hired to do.

I want a “boring,” dependable candidate who I can count on to do the right thing for ALL Americans, and doesn’t expect to have his ass kissed for it.

I want a “boring,” dependable candidate who understands our constitution and how our government works—and respects the people who make our government function.

I want a “boring,” dependable candidate who is humble enough to admit he doesn’t know everything, but that he respects experts and their expertise enough to seek AND heed their advice.

I want a “boring,” dependable candidate who will have a staff and cabinet that are not only eminently qualified for their positions, but also will stick around longer than the shelf life of raw fish.

I want a “boring,” dependable candidate who knows that the worst way to keep our country safe is to alienate our allies and kowtow to monsters.

I want a “boring,” dependable candidate who doesn’t think he’s above the law.

I want a “boring,” dependable candidate who doesn’t attack his own citizens if they disagree with him or don’t praise him enough.

I want a “boring,” dependable candidate who won’t treat our press with contempt when they report the truth, even if that truth is detrimental to him.

I want a “boring,” dependable candidate who isn’t constantly stirring up chaos and hate and drama.

I want a “boring,” dependable candidate I can count on to do all of these things so that I can focus on living my life, and can even, you know, forget about politics sometimes, because I know the guy in charge will be doing his damned job.

I want a “boring,” dependable candidate who will let me sleep at night without worrying that he’ll blow up the government or even the world if he’s not watched constantly.

And that is why I support Biden. Because he will be that “boring,” dependable guy who gets shit done without a bunch of drama. I’m sick to death of excitement and drama.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

nolawarlock

(1,729 posts)
31. OMG THIS!!! n/t
Thu Apr 9, 2020, 03:55 AM
Apr 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

The Magistrate

(95,237 posts)
32. Well Said, Ma'am
Thu Apr 9, 2020, 05:11 AM
Apr 2020
"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

True Blue American

(17,972 posts)
33. Thank you,
Thu Apr 9, 2020, 06:31 AM
Apr 2020
thank you, thank you,Aquaria! You just posted exactly how I have felt since the day Trump was selected by the EC.

I want to spend my later years admiring a man who can get things done ,work with others. Does not have a belittling bone in his body and will make our Country respected again!

I do not care diddly squat if he makes a verbal mistake now and then,as long as I can trust him!

I certainly do not want a one trick pony who can not graciously lose, endorse his opponant as every one of our great candidates did. For sure I do not want a so called revolution led by those who can only see FREE! Before their nose. Nor do wantt a narcisstic self centered wantabe mobster in my WhiteHouse!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

treestar

(82,383 posts)
34. Great post!
Thu Apr 9, 2020, 07:05 AM
Apr 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

oasis

(49,152 posts)
40. + 1,000,000
Thu Apr 9, 2020, 02:15 PM
Apr 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LaurenOlimina

(1,165 posts)
57. Yes!
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 03:59 PM
Apr 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Sloumeau

(2,657 posts)
63. Exactly. I long for the day where I can forget about politics for a month...
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 04:31 PM
Apr 2020

and I don't have to worry that some pandemic is going to kill me in the meantime because the idiot in the White House was too busy watching Fox News to get off his ass, walk down the hall, and tell his cabinet to do whatever it takes to fix the problem. You know, like Obama did, and Clinton did, and Carter did, and JFK did, and Truman Did, and FDR did.

LBJ kinda took a big wrong turn there, so he doesn't get full credit.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

obnoxiousdrunk

(2,906 posts)
83. +100. N/t
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 06:58 PM
Apr 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

treestar

(82,383 posts)
35. Geez, Obama was at least inaugurated before
Thu Apr 9, 2020, 07:07 AM
Apr 2020

this disappointment shit started.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LaurenOlimina

(1,165 posts)
42. I've never found Biden compelling.
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 03:21 PM
Apr 2020

But it is no longer the time to discuss it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
48. Compared to what, or to whom? ...
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 03:27 PM
Apr 2020

Compared to what, or to whom?

That's a very vague criticism that could mean anything. In what specific area do you find Joe Biden to not be "compelling" enough for you?

What would he need to do in order to become more "compelling" for you to feel better about voting for him?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LaurenOlimina

(1,165 posts)
50. It's no longer time for specifics. Primary is over.
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 03:30 PM
Apr 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
51. You're the one complaining, not me.
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 03:37 PM
Apr 2020

If you truly believe that the "primary is over"... then you'd also throttle-back on the backhanded smears and the passive-aggressive swipes and other assorted cheap-shots (ie: "meh" and "not compelling" and "exploitable deficits" and "disappointing" and "nobody I know supports him") those things are wrong, and wrong-headed.

All I'm saying (and I'm being perfectly honest with you here) all that whining and griping and swiping and flat-out negativity certainly does NOT sound like someone who has accepted that the "primary is over".

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LaurenOlimina

(1,165 posts)
54. Why are you so negative? I'm wrong and wrong-headed for KNOWING who I know?
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 03:55 PM
Apr 2020

Anything specific is exploitable now.

Any specific criticism is now a potential right-wing attack.

I'm trying to encourage those who find him disappointing to vote for him.

I won't post anti-biden specifics any more.

How can you say, " "nobody I know supports him&quot those things are wrong, and wrong-headed." WTF Jackie? It is wrong and wrong headed to comment on the people I KNOW?!?!? Or is it wrong that I'm friends with them?!?! I'm sorry, they are getting messages about Joe being a rapist, the democrats thwarting the relief bill, and other bullshit. That Bernie-sphere is full of Russian disinfo and rightwing disinfo. That's what I'm fighting. Those people will not read a "rah! Rah! Joe message." You don't have to coddle them, but get out of the way of those of us who are.

I'm sorry you live in a bubble where there is universal support for him. I do not. My circle is pretty left-wing. I need to reach out to potential NEW Biden voters now. I know people who won't vote at all because, "Both sides are the same." I know Bernie Supporters and Pete supporters and Amy supporters and Warren supporters who all find Biden problematic. I doubt we are alone. I see people on here who are looking for reasons to support him, well, we are finally down to what I am told is Biden's #1 strength, He is not Trump.

People had better prepare themselves to pull that lever. It is life or death.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
58. I'm not the one being negative.
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 04:05 PM
Apr 2020
Why are you so negative? I'm wrong and wrong-headed for KNOWING who I know?
I'm not the one being negative. I'm not the one who's boasting about knowing absolutely nobody who supports Biden. Clearly this tidbit of info from you is being offered-up as some sort of justification for the continued negativity and cheap-shots.

Anything specific is exploitable now. Any specific criticism is now a potential right-wing attack. I'm trying to encourage those who find him disappointing to vote for him.
Oh, please! GMAFB! I'm not stupid you know.

I won't post anti-biden specifics any more.
All of these things are just "clever" ways to make nonspecific references to whatever negatives you believe he has and continually refer to all the other assorted smears and accusations. Everyone can see that it's an effort to keep them at the forefront, and to remind others of them as well.

All I'm saying here is this: You don't have to be specific... the "hints" and "winks" are good enough. Everyone knows what you're talking about. This is a dangerous game. Caution... thin-ice ahead.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LaurenOlimina

(1,165 posts)
59. Obviously, you have no idea.
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 04:08 PM
Apr 2020


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
60. I know much more than I'm being given credit for...
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 04:12 PM
Apr 2020
Obviously, you have no idea.
I know much more than I'm being given credit for... I can assure you of that. I also see much more. I'm not easily fooled.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LaurenOlimina

(1,165 posts)
61. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha...
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 04:14 PM
Apr 2020

You are fooling yourself...

...into thinking, what, I have imaginary friends?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
62. No, "Lauren"... I believe your friends are real
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 04:30 PM
Apr 2020

No, "Lauren"... I believe your friends are real, and I believe that "nobody you know" supports Biden. That much is true. I'll take you at your word on that. It's clear to me that you're telling the truth about that detail.

It's also clear to me that the reasons for publicly announcing that "nobody you know" supports Biden is to feed (and create) a narrative that Biden isn't likeable, and that his support is tepid and fractured. It's a passive-aggressive smear. It's negative, and it's not necessary.

You know perfectly well that things like that serve no good purpose. It only creates an atmosphere of negativity: Negativity generates apathy. Apathy discourages voter turnout. Low voter turnout gives Republicans a chance to steal the elections.



Joe/Kamala or Biden/Harris 2020!!
They're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Biden Bandwagon & let's take back America!!


You'll feel better in the Autumn...


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LaurenOlimina

(1,165 posts)
64. Ha ha ha ha ha
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 04:38 PM
Apr 2020

"publicly announcing that "nobody you know" supports Biden is to feed (and create) a narrative that Biden isn't likeable, and that his support is tepid and fractured. It's a passive-aggressive smear."

Apparently, my whole life is a passive aggressive smear aimed right at you Jackie.

If my mistake is "publicly announcing" my disappointment, I think you just want anyone who disagrees with you to shut up. You aren't against our disappointment, you just don't want to hear about it.

Meanwhile, you will notice that other folks have taken to post in the spirit it is intended, not developed an obsession with belittling the author's experiences.

Maybe things would be better if you didn't publicly announce such feelings? It leads to the impression that Biden supporters are self important, superior, and unwelcoming to those of us with doubts.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
66. You know perfectly well that I never said such a thing.
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 04:50 PM
Apr 2020
Apparently, my whole life is a passive aggressive smear aimed right at you Jackie.
You know perfectly well that I never said such a thing. You're not aiming anything at me... only Biden.

If my mistake is "publicly announcing" my disappointment, I think you just want anyone who disagrees with you to shut up. You aren't against our disappointment, you just don't want to hear about it.
What I'm seeing is clearly an indication of an inability or unwillingness to move on. The repeated expressions of "disappointment" (and the efforts prove that you're not alone in these feelings of woe) are nothing but negativity.

You aren't against our disappointment, you just don't want to hear about it.
Yes, we all know that you're going to "hold your nose" to vote for Biden because he's the "lesser of two evils"... got it! Understood. But you need to know that saying things like that serves no good purpose. It motivates nobody. It just feeds into and validates the negativity of others who can't accept that their candidate didn't win.

All I'm trying to point out to you is (once again) those passive-aggressive attacks and other cheap-shots only serve to create an atmosphere of negativity: Negativity generates apathy. Apathy discourages voter turnout. Low voter turnout gives Republicans a chance to steal the elections.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LaurenOlimina

(1,165 posts)
70. Lots of people are going to do that.
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 05:09 PM
Apr 2020

Hold their nose and vote. I'm going to risk my life to do it if I have to. I'll be there with bells on.

"You know perfectly well that I never said such a thing."

Right, you said SPEAKING of it was passive aggressive. As long as I live my life in silence and don't empower the Republicans by mentioning the (obvious in my world) apathy for Biden and encouraging the apathetic to vote for him, you are fine with it.

Silence peon. Hush uppity little voice who doesn't think like me. Your message is clear.

Meanwhile, I glance at Twitter and see they have weaponized more of Biden's behavior to suppress the vote.

The reality is, we need a plan for shifting voters from apathy to engagement. It seems like the "we don't need them" argument for apathetic voters is counter productive. Silencing them would seem to imply they are unwanted. I tend toward a much bigger tent.



If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
71. This kind of negativity serves no good purpose.
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 05:18 PM
Apr 2020
The reality is, we need a plan for shifting voters from apathy to engagement.
And validating their negativity with even MORE negativity and cheap-shots aimed at Biden will only REINFORCE those perceptions. You're really not helping with so much indulgent talk about "meh" and "he's just not compelling". Time to move on and end the pity party. The time for grieving is over. The time for anger is over. The time for disappointment is over. We've all known for quite some time now that Biden had won and that everyone else had lost. Move on.

Here's a song from "Bye Bye Birdie" that may help...

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LaurenOlimina

(1,165 posts)
74. seems deranged but ok
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 05:50 PM
Apr 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
76. I haven't insulted you with name-calling. Why do that to me, "Lauren"?
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 06:09 PM
Apr 2020

I haven't insulted you with name-calling. Why do that to me, "Lauren"? I'm not mad or insane... I do not deserve to be called deranged. Why would you do that?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LaurenOlimina

(1,165 posts)
84. And here come the protestations...
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 07:01 PM
Apr 2020

Sorry, It seems deranged to me to put on a happy face, joker-like, and ignore the reality of one's own community and feelings. You called me passive-agressive, immature, and said I shouldn't comment on my friends views of Biden because it promotes negativity. That's just so far today. Then you say:

"Time to move on and end the pity party. The time for grieving is over. The time for anger is over. The time for disappointment is over. We've all known for quite some time now that Biden had won and that everyone else had lost. Move on.

Here's a song from "Bye Bye Birdie" that may help..."

This is after what, 20 messages from you today. Talk about not letting go. I'm sorry, thinking you can just tell someone "put on a happy face" and shut-up and ignore their feelings is pretty crazy, don't you think?

I'm willing to risk my life for meh. Let that be enough.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
87. I did no such thing.
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 07:08 PM
Apr 2020

I referred only to the nature of the comments and insults.

and ignore the reality of one's own community and feelings.
The future of our country is more important than someone's "feelings" of disappointment. There's no justification for the cheap-shots that are clearly intended to suppress the vote and kneecap Biden. People who do such things should always be challenged and called out. That type of behavior is unacceptable. It's selfish and destructive.


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
65. Hope everyone gets their negative vibes about Biden out of their system now, so when Autumn comes...
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 04:44 PM
Apr 2020

....we're all united behind him.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
67. Today is a cool, damp and windy day in Maryland... it feels like Autumn is already here!
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 04:52 PM
Apr 2020

Yuk!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

TexasTowelie

(111,312 posts)
69. Why wait that long?
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 05:04 PM
Apr 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Jedi Guy

(3,171 posts)
73. "But it is no longer the time to discuss it."
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 05:49 PM
Apr 2020

So you create a thread about how you find Biden to be "meh" and "not compelling" on a discussion board in order to... not... discuss it? You started such a discussion but now isn't the time for such discussions?

Do you realize that what you're saying makes absolutely zero sense? Methinks your motives are suspect here.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LaurenOlimina

(1,165 posts)
75. No, she asked for specifics.
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 06:03 PM
Apr 2020

They can be weaponized.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
77. Oh, come off it! Everyone knows what you're talking about.
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 06:18 PM
Apr 2020

You don't want to be specific in the negative smears and cheap-shots against Biden... so you think it's "safer" to continually allude to them with some sort of passive-aggressive backhanded ambiguous references? Honestly, nobody is fooled. We can see this for the indulgent negativity that it is. It's not helping anything. It's just another roundabout way to try and kneecap Biden.

Honestly, it needs to stop. Being passive-aggressive with the smears and attacks on Biden may help someone personally with their grieving process, but there's really no need for it. It's divisive and continually projecting that kind of negativity only creates resentment and suspicion.

People who continually proclaim "the primaries are over" should act like it. That's all I'm trying to say. They can't have it both ways.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LaurenOlimina

(1,165 posts)
78. Yes, it is safer not to mention them.
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 06:27 PM
Apr 2020

"Honestly, it needs to stop. Being passive-aggressive with the smears and attacks on Biden may help someone personally with their grieving process, but there's really no need for it. It's divisive and continually projecting that kind of negativity only creates resentment and suspicion."

Now if we don't show lockstep adoration, you are the thought police Jackie?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
79. I think it's important for everyone to show maturity and good judgement.
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 06:38 PM
Apr 2020

I think it's important for everyone to show maturity and good judgement. People who engage in backhanded smears and passive-aggressive cheap-shot attacks against Biden demonstrate NEITHER of those things.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LaurenOlimina

(1,165 posts)
80. Ah... OK
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 06:40 PM
Apr 2020

Noted. I fail the NurseJackie maturity test. I'll live.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
81. So you finally admit to taking cheap-shots at our party's nominee? Thank you.
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 06:53 PM
Apr 2020


It's so unnecessary and it serves no good purpose at all. Why do it?
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to NurseJackie (Reply #81)

 

green88

(19 posts)
37. Biden wasn't my top choice, but compared to Trump, "meh" is a dream.
Thu Apr 9, 2020, 10:59 AM
Apr 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Sloumeau

(2,657 posts)
72. I know. G.W. Bush was terrible, but compared to Trump...
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 05:19 PM
Apr 2020

he almost seems tolerable. Compared to Trump, Biden seems to me like a really great music festival. Biden is Lollapalooza to Trump's dolla-to-bamboozle-ya.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(144,004 posts)
38. Joe is the best candidate to beat trump
Thu Apr 9, 2020, 12:21 PM
Apr 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 
39. I can't believe there are "Bernie or Bust" people out there who call themselves Progressives.
Thu Apr 9, 2020, 01:17 PM
Apr 2020

You may not get your ideal candidate, but your pledge to not vote Biden is putting peoples' lives, including mine, in jeopardy. Would you rather have a centrist or a proto-Fascist who is taking a sledge hammer to every watchdog and institution left to hold government officials accountable? Would you rather have:

- Someone who is somewhat corporate friendly, or someone who believes that the entire purpose of the government should be to serve / enrich him and his cronies?

- Someone who isn't totally on your side in terms of immigration, or someone who is one step away from committing genocide against Hispanic people?

- Someone who you think isn't going to do enough for the black community, or someone who was/is openly hostile to them and shrugs his shoulders when black people die? Do you want someone who wants to help the black community and minorities, or someone whose father attended Klan rallies?

- Someone who isn't revolutionary on LGBT issues, or someone who is trying to erase the existence of trans people from the US, and is a couple steps from throwing them into cattle cars?

- Someone who may have had some issues in the past, or someone who nobody would be surprised if he instantly nullified all gay marriages and demanded an amendment to define marriage as between a man or a woman?

- Someone who supports the separation of church and state, or someone who wants to completely dismantle it to appease Christo-Fascists in middle America?

- A President, or someone who wants to be a king?

- Knowledgeable government officials who deserve to be in their positions, or a den of vipers scrambling to obfuscate their incompetence through propaganda and blaming the "deep state?"

The list goes on. If you are against voting for Biden, and feel like you want to sit out, you are supporting Fascism. It's that simple. You are not proving anything. You are destroying this country by sitting idly by while a cancerous tumor grows in our institutions.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(144,004 posts)
41. . @fred_guttenberg : Only Joe Biden has the ability now to heal this nation Opinion
Thu Apr 9, 2020, 02:28 PM
Apr 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

IluvPitties

(3,181 posts)
44. Biden will make you proud.
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 03:24 PM
Apr 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LaurenOlimina

(1,165 posts)
46. Hoping for it.
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 03:25 PM
Apr 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

RandySF

(57,658 posts)
52. I'm sorry he's not a rock star.
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 03:39 PM
Apr 2020

But I'm frankly tired of celebrity-like candidates.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Sloumeau

(2,657 posts)
55. Since Biden apparently leaves the Orange Putz quivering in his boots...
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 03:58 PM
Apr 2020

I tend to think of Biden as more than meh...much more.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

zak247

(251 posts)
82. Sulking Bernie bros and sistas
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 06:56 PM
Apr 2020

The so-called progressives who are stubbornly willing to allow Trump to have another 4 years, rather than vote for Biden, which will cause millions of people more suffering, are not true progressives but selfish, and morally backward with the psychological and moral level of ISIS members and the Taliban.

They in their inner turmoil and illogic want to punish the democrats because they rejected Bernie. Even though millions of people will suffer if Trump winds again. The utter failure of his Pandemic policy in which he has caused the death of thousands of Americans is another indication of his dangerousness to human beings Yet these people will still out of egotism and sulking allow Trump another 4 years.

This is proof, also, that their progressivism is not based on intentions of humanity and love but a dogmatic, rigid narrowness and spite.


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LaurenOlimina

(1,165 posts)
85. Yeah, I'm not sure they are in the party anymore.
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 07:04 PM
Apr 2020

I can feel them peeling off.

What kills me, is why they can't just see themselves voting against Trump if voting FOR Biden is so painful. Reframe that that as a vote against Trump and get on with your life.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
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